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Etihad To Order Up To 100 Aircrafts In 2 Months  
User currently offlineAviationbuff From India, joined Mar 2008, 1425 posts, RR: 3
Posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 10842 times:

Etihad readies $20bn aircraft order

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/51864...etihad-readies-20bn-aircraft-order

Quote:
Abu Dhabi-owned Etihad Airways is poised to splash out around $20 billion on up to 100 planes in what would be the biggest aircraft order so far this year, its CEO said on Tuesday.

James Hogan said Etihad was in advanced talks with aircraft manufacturers Boeing and Airbus for "between 50 and 100 aircraft" and a deal could be finalised with in the next couple of months, reported the UK's Daily Telegraph.

First deliveries of the new aircraft, which could include more of Airbus' A380 superjumbos, are earmarked for 2011, Hogan said.

"We're looking at narrow-bodied, wide-bodied and very large aircraft, A380s or B747-8s," he said.

The carrier has ordered four A380’s already, with two to be delivered in 2013 and a further two in 2014.

Etihad and Dubai airline Emirates on Tuesday said that they faced further delays on delivery of the A380, stating that they had received warnings of delays from Airbus - which is already two years behind schedule on production of the superjumbo.

Are the Airlines in this region is in a race to outdo each other.
1. ^^ - EY up to 100 Aircrafts
2. QR upto 200 Aircrafts
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...general_aviation/read.main/3976427
3. EK up to 50 Aircrafts for LCC
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...general_aviation/read.main/3970598

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User currently offlineRheinbote From Germany, joined May 2006, 1968 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 10834 times:

F A R N B O R O U G H is rapidly approaching. Watch out for the usual suspects fighting for the bragging rights.

User currently offlineAA7295 From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 620 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 10792 times:

Let's hope its a Boeing order just for the sake of diversity in the region. It would get boring seeing A350's after A350's taking off.

User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 10743 times:



Quoting AA7295 (Reply 2):
It would get boring seeing A350's after A350's taking off.

No it wouldn't.  Wink

Let's hope they order an entire range of airbuses. I can't think of anything more exciting.


User currently offlineAviationbuff From India, joined Mar 2008, 1425 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 10715 times:

Can Farnborough 2008 beat Paris 2007....probably not due to the recession in Airline industry and increasing fuel prices.

Off the topic, an Indian analyst at Goldman Sachs is predicting the oil prices to touch $200 per barrel
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/M...ld_economy/articleshow/3027279.cms

Back to the topic:
Roughly orders for 250 aircrafts can come up from Middle-East region , what other orders are expected at Faranborough 08.


User currently offline1821 From Greece, joined Jul 2007, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 9883 times:

Yes QR , EK and Etihad are clearly trying to outdo each other in terms of market share and aircraft  Big grin .

But seriously i think that Etihad ( sorry i'm new to Airliners and don't know their 2 letter code lol ) will order up to and including 100 aircraft. From what i understand more 777's possibly a mix of ER'S and LR'S as they are trying to break into new markets. And definately more A380'S. I don't think that they will order any more A345'S/A346'S as they have stated that their wish is to transport large amounts of PAX to their sestinations. From this i can only pin point that their desired aircarft is the A380.



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User currently offlineRainmaker From Brazil, joined Jan 2006, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 9838 times:



Quoting Babybus (Reply 3):
Let's hope they order an entire range of airbuses. I can't think of anything more exciting.

You can't? Planes are ok but hey ... you should get out more often..

(just kidding pal. no offense.)

cheers!


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6882 posts, RR: 63
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 9722 times:



Quoting 1821 (Reply 5):
Etihad ( sorry i'm new to Airliners and don't know their 2 letter code lol )

EY. But don't worry. Many people are unfamiliar with lots of codes. More often than not, I prefer to use the full airline name - if only because I'm fed up having to look up all the codes that I don't know!  Smile

Quoting AA7295 (Reply 2):
Let's hope its a Boeing order just for the sake of diversity in the region. It would get boring seeing A350's after A350's taking off.

Qatar have already placed a substantial order for 787s and I fully expect Emirates to end up with some 787s alongside their A350s.

As for Etihad, they have built their success principally on the back of the A330 and I'd be astonished if they don't order the A350. Equally, they had no hesitation to buy the 777. I'm not sure I can see them take more 777s but an order for 787s wouldn't surprise me. Indeed, Etihad look like a good candidate for a mix of 787s and larger A350s.

So, more A380s (yes), some 787s and some A350s. That's my guess.


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4769 posts, RR: 43
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 9425 times:

I'm pretty sure that they would be ordering :

A 320s for regional / low density flights as they currently are leasing few A 319s and A 320s.

A 332s for expanding into Africa, Europe and the Far East.

B 777-200LRs for new nonstop flights to USA, Australia and Brazil.

A 380s to specifically compete head on against EK-QR-QF-SQ.

I would be really surprised to see an order placed for A 340s and B 748s. An order for half a dozen B 773ERs may not come as a total surprise too...50-50 chance I reckon!


User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 9200 times:

I was reading up on Abu Dhabi yesterday and they want to project themselves as a vibrant, modern, 21st century place. Airbus is the correct brand to match that image and with aircraft to suit all its needs on all routes. Agreed, the T7's would make a nice diversion.

Rainmaker, Not sure your post added anything worthy to the thread.

Quoting Rainmaker (Reply 6):
(just kidding pal. no offense.)

 Wink


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 9115 times:



Quoting Babybus (Reply 10):
Airbus is the correct brand to match that image and with aircraft to suit all its needs on all routes.

Just what the 'ell are you talking about?



"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlineAA7295 From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 620 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 9048 times:



Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 11):
Quoting Babybus (Reply 10):
Airbus is the correct brand to match that image and with aircraft to suit all its needs on all routes.

Just what the 'ell are you talking about?

I agree. Are you insinuating the Boeing exhibits and outdated, distant, 19th Century image? If anything, Boeing planes are more aesthetically pleasing than Airbus aircraft. But let's not turn this into an A vs B thread.

I think with this particular order, delivery dates will determine who will win the order. As Emirates has secured quite a large number of delivery slots, Etihad will want aircraft sooner to counter Emirates.


User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3946 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 9017 times:



Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 11):
Quoting Babybus (Reply 10):
Airbus is the correct brand to match that image and with aircraft to suit all its needs on all routes.

Just what the 'ell are you talking about?

 rotfl  I was wondering the exact same thing!  confused 

R


User currently offlineBEYauty From Lebanon, joined Aug 2005, 163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 8783 times:



Quoting Aviationbuff (Thread starter):
Are the Airlines in this region is in a race to outdo each other.

It's obvious you have not tried to book a flight out of Abu Dhabi lately, especially during the summer time.


User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 8695 times:



Quoting AA7295 (Reply 12):
Boeing planes are more aesthetically pleasing than Airbus aircraft.

That's of course in the eye of the beholder. I myself love the looks of Douglas jets. But that's neither here nor there, especially in this thread.

Quoting AA7295 (Reply 12):
But let's not turn this into an A vs B thread.

 checkmark 

Quoting AA7295 (Reply 7):
Quoting Babybus (Reply 3):
Let's hope they order an entire range of airbuses. I can't think of anything more exciting.

I can, an entire range of Boeings!

I think neither will happen. IMHO we'll see:
A320's
B777's
A350's.



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User currently offlineSAS A340 From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 778 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 8695 times:



Quoting AA7295 (Reply 12):
Boeing planes are more aesthetically pleasing than Airbus aircraft.

Are they? Thats a matter of opinion!! We don't share the same in this one! This order a definately Airbus,at least to 70-80%. Big grin



It's not what u do,it's how u do it!
User currently offlineVictor009 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 7474 times:



Quoting Babybus (Reply 3):
No it wouldn't. Wink

Let's hope they order an entire range of airbuses. I can't think of anything more exciting.

YEP, totally Agree, Airbus Anytime



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User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 7403 times:



Quoting Babybus (Reply 3):
Quoting AA7295 (Reply 2):
It would get boring seeing A350's after A350's taking off.

No it wouldn't.

Curious that a row of A350s taking off after each other would be boring, but a row of B787s would not be. Is this a new entry for a.net factoids?

It seems to be the same sort of surprise that Qantas was mad enough to buy some Airbus, whereas having a fleet of 747s and 767s was the natural order of things.

Stop press, the world has changed.

The A350 and the B787 seem to complement each other more than they are rivals, well that is assuming either of them ever gets to fly.  eek   duck 


User currently offlineAviationbuff From India, joined Mar 2008, 1425 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks ago) and read 6650 times:



Quoting Kappel (Reply 14):
I think neither will happen. IMHO we'll see:
A320's
B777's
A350's.

I feel that apart from the above there will be some B787 and for sure few A380.

Quoting Baroque (Reply 17):
The A350 and the B787 seem to complement each other more than they are rivals

Airlines have endorsed it. However, we (a.netters) are a bit reluctant.  Big grin

I feel that Farborough will be full of excitements and fun as far as orders are concerned.


User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6575 times:



Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 10):
Just what the 'ell are you talking about?

If you haven't seen it before have a look here. It has all the details of all the aircraft they produce.

http://www.airbus.com/en/aircraftfamilies/

If an airline can't something here to suit its needs, it ain't an airline we're talking about.  Wink


User currently offlineAviationbuff From India, joined Mar 2008, 1425 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6142 times:

EY to showcase its expanding route network

Quote:
Etihad Airways will showcase its expanding route network, latest international sports sponsorships and award-winning products and services at this year’s Bahrain International Travel Expo (BITE), which takes place between 14 and 17 May at the Bahrain International Exhibition Centre.

http://www.ameinfo.com/156403.html

Etihad signs lease deal for A320-200 aircraft

Quote:
Etihad Airways has signed a contract with New York-based CIT Aerospace for the lease of two new Airbus A320-200 aircraft. The two A320-200s are scheduled for delivery to the Abu Dhabi-based airline by the end of 2008. The aircraft will be powered by IAE V2527-A5 engines.


http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/-etiha...0-aircraft-/2008/05/11/3438238.htm

[Edited 2008-05-12 02:14:26]

User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6022 times:

I stated a month or so ago on here that they could certainly use some more 77Ws, but i remember reading a quote from someone at EY saying they werent going for more 77Ws - seemed a surprise to me, I must say.

Their A345s are worked very hard indeed and I would expect them to pick more up at some stage probably second hand.

Call me mad, but I seriously think the A333 is the one they will be looking at - For me, there is a gap between their A332s and A345/6/77W and the A333E has the legs to serve any destination EY has apart from US and Aus non-stop. My guess would be looking at A358 and A359 but if they need the interim lift, then A333Es make a lot of sense. In a two-class people mover config it has awesomely compelling CASM on the Indian/Pakistan routes that are a cornerstone of their route network.

More A388s? Almost certainly - I can see four or six more no problem at all, but where they are going to park them is another question!

Short haul I can see a surprisingly large number of A320s - they'll have the new interiors and probably have PTVs as well like the B6 and VX examples - they'll be very nice.



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4721 posts, RR: 39
Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5950 times:
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Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 21):
Call me mad, but I seriously think the A333 is the one they will be looking at - For me, there is a gap between their A332s and A345/6/77W and the A333E has the legs to serve any destination EY has apart from US and Aus non-stop. My guess would be looking at A358 and A359 but if they need the interim lift, then A333Es make a lot of sense. In a two-class people mover config it has awesomely compelling CASM on the Indian/Pakistan routes that are a cornerstone of their route network.

More A388s? Almost certainly - I can see four or six more no problem at all, but where they are going to park them is another question!

If you want me to I am prepared to call you mad Big grin Big grin Big grin.

Seriously: I can agree with what you posted. That is, if they rule out the B777, then for short term capacity increase they have nothing to turn to than to the beautiful A330-300E.

More A380's are also likely. No problem parking them there. In the time it takes London to build a third runway at Heathrow (or the time it takes to get a highway completed in the Netherlands, some projects here are in debate for 50 years and the road is not in sight yet!) in the Dubai - Abu Dhabi area they will build 3-4 new world-class airports. That will solve the parking problem.


User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7062 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5940 times:

This year many new orders are expected from European, Middle Eastern and Asian carriers.Many of these orders will be announced in Farnborough.
Here is what I expect:
1) European Carriers:
VS will announce their decision on the Gatwick fleet and interim 777s. Branson is a show person and there is no better place for him to announce a big order as on an airshow on its home turf.
Maybe BA will also announce their decision as well, although I expect them to order end of the year.
Air France-KLM is a big question, maybe if Airbus announces that GEnx engines will be available AF-KLM will be the launch customer for that version.
Although LH recently said they are in no hurry to place an order for A350/787 anytime soon we could see an order here, too.
2) Middle Eastern and Asian airlines
QR, EY and Emirates will place additional orders for A350s, 787s and maybe even A380s and 747-8Is.
I hope EY will order some additional A340s and mabe even 747-8Is for flights to the USA, Canada and Australia.
As the biggest coup in Farnborough I expect ANA to order A380s.

Last but not least an A350 order of QF is also an possibilty.



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User currently offlineRheinbote From Germany, joined May 2006, 1968 posts, RR: 52
Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5829 times:

Aviation Week, "Recovery Ruffled", 12 May 2008
http://www.aviationweek.com (online version, subscribers only)
Etihad is reviewing its purchase plans for a new long-haul twin-widebody, considering upping its Airbus A380 order for four aircraft or walking away from the program entirely in favor of the Boeing 747-8. With Etihad still upset about the recent A340-600 accident in Toulouse—in which an aircraft earmarked for the carrier was destroyed when it hit a wall during engine testing—industry sources say the decision could turn in favor of the Boeing jet. Such a choice would make Etihad the second passenger airline after Lufthansa to order the 747-8.

food for thought


25 Baroque : Definitely Columba, QF need to order them soon so they can be higher up in the queue for the compensation payments when it is delayed. And they shoul
26 Moo : Well, if that's what tips it in favour for Boeing, then good riddance to Etihad I would say if I were Airbus.
27 EPA001 : That is an interesting thought for sure! Although I do hope they will stay with the A380 program and even up the numbers! On the other hand I would n
28 Philzh : Hmmm... I'll admit I didn't follow this up in the end. Was Airbus or some Airbus employee at fault for this accident? I remember reading that there p
29 Columba : I read that, too but for the image of the airline it is maybe better to blame Airbus instead.
30 Scbriml : Time for AviationWeek to get some new sources! It was widely reported that Etihad staff were in charge of the plane at the time of that engine test,
31 PM : I find it hard to believe that airlines behave like teenage boys... So an A346 gets smashed in an accident and consequently EY buys an inferior plane
32 Columba : I was about to write that as well but backed off because I did not want to start a flame war but to be fair US and Boeing could be mentioned as well
33 Jacobin777 : What does that have to do with you comment? "You're Mad"......
34 Tavong : In fact your bias to Airbus is clear through all the thread, anyway a little diversity, makes A or B planes more enjoyable. Otherwise stating that Ai
35 Behramjee : I view this article more of a PR stunt done by Etihad Airways to try and get bigger discounts from Airbus than anything else. Mr James Hogan (EY CEO)
36 Pnwtraveler : What fans of a particular Aircraft company fail to realize is that Airlines don't exist to keep a particular manufacturer in business. And while certa
37 Leskova : You know... if you really meant the second part, you would have posted it without posting the first part... Well... it is a.net, isn't it? Thank good
38 Jfk777 : With gas at these prices ANA seems to love their 777-300ER's with four class seating, prices for every budget.
39 CHRISBA777ER : Having spoken to several people "in the know" about that incident - I can tell you that this is a very long way from being the case. Their 77Ws are l
40 Ikramerica : I would agree. EY could just be using this as an excuse to get out of the A380 which is too large for them. The 748 is a 80-100 seats smaller and may
41 CHRISBA777ER : For once you and I are in agreement. I think so too, actually.
42 AutoThrust : This makes no sense. EY "only" lost a plane which Airbus has to pay, but some Airbus engineers lost almost their life at the accident. Is that fair to
43 Jacobin777 : Its in the interest of carriers to have two (or more) strong and competitive manufacturers. This gives the carriers the most leverage during negotiat
44 WunalaYann : Provided they don't sign "gentlemen's agreements" to become all-Boeing or all-Airbus, that is... Yes, I am looking at AA right now...
45 Jacobin777 : ..you got me on that one mate... Time to check out..past midnight...
46 WunalaYann : You'll settle the score next time, I'm sure!
47 Columba : What does this has to do with the possible acquisition of A380s ? Sure ANA loves their 77Ws as they make good money with them, this does not rule out
48 Ikramerica : This would actually make sense then. EY may want Airbus to shoulder the blame and is trying to make it seem like Airbus didn't prepare it right, Airb
49 ConcordeBoy : ...small problem: what aircraft, in an even remotely competitive class, is inferior to the A346 in either sales or performance? About the only argume
50 Ikramerica : The A346 has RR engines. The 77W has GE engines. Obviously the A346 is superior!
51 WunalaYann : For some reason I always thought there were flight deck recorders and all sorts of instruments that would tell an investigators who farted, when and
52 ConcordeBoy : ...at what-- flopping in the face of competition? Indeed, it's certainly that.
53 PM : Er, the 748i? (Which is the plane I was referring to since that was the model mentioned in the article to which I was replying.)
54 WINGS : I'm just wondering if anyone has noticed Etihad's recent conversion of 2 A330-200's to the A330-300. In total Etihad still has the following wide body
55 Columba : ummmh, if EY seems to use cargo airplanes might that give the 747-8F a chance and with the 747-8F, the 747-8I would not be too far off..... Glad to s
56 CHRISBA777ER : They do - they know exactly who did what and when. Basically it was caused by EY staff not being 100% clear on what the plane would "do" in certain m
57 Post contains links WINGS : The order was placed at Le Bourget in 2007. Etihad Airways order 12 wide-body Airbus aircraft 20 June 2007 http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre...ems
58 CHRISBA777ER : It will come down a question of how soon can they get the capacity - and will they need more of it in this segment until the A350s arrive. I think th
59 WunalaYann : Hi Chris. Thanks for that. Actually, yes, out of pure curiosity, I would like to get some update on the internal investigation. I read in Le Monde an
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