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United Fall Schedule Trims Begins  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25413 posts, RR: 49
Posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8892 times:

This weekend United is loading its new schedules for the fall reflecting reduction in domestic flying primarily via the parking some 737s. In addition UAX flying will also see a bit of a reduction.

The schedule commencing September 2nd contains a mix of reduced flying in many city pairs, while increases in others. The net schedule reduction is just over daily 100 mainline flights, and a bit over 30 UAX flights.

Net change in departures for September schedule over previous plans per hub are:

DEN:
Mainline: -19
UAX: -4

IAD:
Mainline: -9
UAX: -3

LAX:
Mainline: -12
UAX: -5

ORD:
Mainline: 0
UAX: 0

SFO:
Mainline: -12
UAX: -5

This schedule change reflects the first cut of Fall/Winter reductions, with a smaller adjustment planned as we move into June.

Hopefully I'll be able to come up with a city-pair summary in the next few days highlighting the specific changes.


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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8779 times:

Is UA going to continue their ANC-DEN this winter?

Or will the *A pax be forced, yet again, to endure US to PHX . . .


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25277 posts, RR: 85
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8763 times:
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Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
Is UA going to continue their ANC-DEN this winter?

We could have the DEN-ANC Follies again, as we had last winter. United decides to make the route seasonal, so Frontier advances their start date to March.

So United advances their start date, to compete with Frontier, so Frontier pushes their start date back to it's original in May.

Pass the popcorn.  Smile

mariner



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User currently offlineUnitednrt From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 284 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8724 times:

Lax, did you receive this off Skynet? The release says that the number you have listed as UAX schedule reductions is the "percent of consolidated UA/UAX departures". 19 departure net reduction from DEN is about 4% of total departures out of DEN.


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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5960 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8725 times:



Quoting Mariner (Reply 2):
We could have the DEN-ANC Follies again, as we had last winter. United decides to make the route seasonal, so Frontier advances their start date to March.

Anything is possible, but at this point it looks like UA701 is loaded all in the system through the winter although downgraded to an A319.



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25277 posts, RR: 85
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8600 times:
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Quoting United1 (Reply 4):
Anything is possible, but at this point it looks like UA701 is loaded all in the system through the winter although downgraded to an A319.

Oh, sure. But last year, United made DEN-ANC seasonal, because they said the route was unprofitable in the winter.

If it was unprofitable with oil at the price it was then - $70 bbl when United announced the change - what happens to it with oil at this present price?

Of course, if oil goes down, that changes the equation.

mariner



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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5960 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8559 times:



Quoting Mariner (Reply 5):
Oh, sure. But last year, United made DEN-ANC seasonal, because they said the route was unprofitable in the winter.

If it was unprofitable with oil at the price it was then - $70 bbl when United announced the change - what happens to it with oil at this present price?

Of course, if oil goes down, that changes the equation.

If I remember right wasn't there some sort of labor issue that caused UA to decide that ANC flights, while they still may be unprofitable in the winter, needed to remain year round.



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25277 posts, RR: 85
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8536 times:
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Quoting United1 (Reply 6):
If I remember right wasn't there some sort of labor issue that caused UA to decide that ANC flights, while they still may be unprofitable in the winter, needed to remain year round.

There was certainly something to do with labor. My memory is hazy, but I thought United did something about the handling in ANC?

But that was after they had made it seasonal, so maybe that's the wrong version of it. So many facts to try and retain in this poor ol' brain.  Smile

mariner



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User currently offlineUadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8333 times:

UA announced the seasonal change in ANC before getting their ducks in the water and in a straight line, UA was ground handling HA and HA kept them to their contract which was due to expire sometime this past feb. the other issue which i was told by some local anc ua employees was that no one wanted to work the flights for what UA wanted to pay and in the end it was actually cheaper to keep the year around service with ua employees.


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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5436 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 8137 times:

I wonder if UA will keep the Sat-only HNL flights from SAN and SEA this fall/winter? They still mystify me; assuming they are more-or-less Pleasant "charters" and the contract includes enough fuel surcharges, I guess they will remain...

bb


User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6570 posts, RR: 50
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 8113 times:



Quoting SANFan (Reply 9):
I wonder if UA will keep the Sat-only HNL flights from SAN and SEA this fall/winter?

It looks like the last SAN-HNL is scheduled to operate on August 16th. The flight shows discontinued after that date. I don't see any SEA-HNL flights listed this summer.


User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2502 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 8093 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Hopefully I'll be able to come up with a city-pair summary in the next few days highlighting the specific changes.

Yes, please do! Interesting that they'll be dropping some UAX flights as well - I thought that if anything, they'd up some UAX frequencies to keep compensate for some of the 737s they plan to park. Subbing a RJ or E-jet for a 737 still reduces capacity and dumps the older frames but allows them to stay in the fight on some routes. I guess we'll see how it pans out.


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User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 8028 times:



Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 10):
It looks like the last SAN-HNL is scheduled to operate on August 16th

That's about what UA did last summer. It's not operating now; returns to the schedule from mid-June to mid-August. Goes away for fall and then returns mid-December.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32789 posts, RR: 72
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 7927 times:

Well, here out of LAX I notice that MCO is reduced to 1x daily, and ICT is cut altogether.


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User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6570 posts, RR: 50
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 7874 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 13):
and ICT is cut altogether.

That one is gone for good after June 4th.


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5436 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 7819 times:



Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 10):
It looks like the last SAN-HNL is scheduled to operate on August 16th. The flight shows discontinued after that date. I don't see any SEA-HNL flights listed this summer

Not only have those Sat-only HNL flights operated with "gaps" of non-operation, but the 2 markets (SAN and SEA) have been run rather differently from each other. There have been gaps in the fall and the spring, (e.g., neither flight is op'ing right now but SAN re-starts 6/7), the SAN flights change time of operation rather dramatically between "summer" and "winter" (6-ish pm departure from SAN in the summer and noon-ish departure in the winter; return flights have always been red-eyes in both markets). And, as 'tristar says, it appears SEA-HNL is not returning... Very strange collection of flights.

Note to United Schedule Planning: this September might be a real good time to consider seriously re-entering the SAN-Hawaii market. Aloha is gone from the SAN-OGG market (well, of course, they are actually gone from EVERY market!) and HA is pulling their flight as well. This market has apparently supported 2 daily n/s year-round flights for a couple of years now and suddenly will have NONE... (And it wouldn't be a real stretch for you to consider getting back in the daily SAN-HNL market either!) Just a thought.

bb


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25413 posts, RR: 49
Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 7292 times:



Quoting 777fan (Reply 11):
I thought that if anything, they'd up some UAX frequencies

I believe much of the UAX changes are related to United swapping out 50 seaters for 70 seater RJ as per previous agreements aith Mesa and Skywest.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 13):
ICT is cut altogether.

ICT and MOD were planned to be cut in June long time back, and not related to the fall reductions.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 15):
September might be a real good time to consider seriously re-entering the SAN-Hawaii marke

I dont see any chance of UA adding flights to Hawaii in the fall. Hawaii is primarily a summer destination from California.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32789 posts, RR: 72
Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 7279 times:

Also looks like BOS-LAX loses a flight.

It's amazing to see the effect that jetBlue has had on LAX-Boston service. It's down to just seven non-stops in the fall (and that's assuming AA keeps their fourth frequency, which is usually summer-only).



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25413 posts, RR: 49
Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 7106 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17):
Also looks like BOS-LAX loses a flight.

I believe they were planning to reduce one flight at the end of the summer anyhow.

Its important one differentiates between already planned seasonal cuts, and the added ones driven this latest prunning.


On another note, I noticed IAD-GRU upgauges to a 777 at the end of October.



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User currently offlineYtib From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 574 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7016 times:

and on September 2nd Ted starts flying DEN-OAK.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32789 posts, RR: 72
Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6830 times:

MIA-DEN looks to be losing a flight.

Perfect time for VX to come in...



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5436 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6752 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 20):
Perfect time for VX to come in...

To both DEN and MIA?

More like "due to WN starting DEN-FLL?"

bb


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32789 posts, RR: 72
Reply 22, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6657 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 21):

To both DEN and MIA?

Yes. In fact, latest I've been hearing, MIA and DEN have been moved forward to winter and ORD and BOS moved back; and MIA-DEN is a planned route.

Quote:
More like "due to WN starting DEN-FLL?"

I truly doubt it has anything to do with WN on DEN-FLL. These changes were decided before Thursday.

[Edited 2008-05-10 19:49:25]


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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5436 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6563 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 22):
truly doubt it has anything to do with WN on DEN-FLL. These changes were decided before Thursday.

Well, of course WN decided to fly DEN-FLL before Thursday's announcement but I know what you mean.

With your VX statement, I would not be surprised if WN now moved up their (expected) SFO-DEN inaugural flights...

Wow, talk about VX jumping feet first into the fire -- DEN! I know, I know: niche market for VX, different passengers targeted... But still. (Especially if they are planning, as you say, more than just SF/LA-DEN, but flying east from Denver as well!) And all of this with oil heading for $150/barrel!!!!

bb


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32789 posts, RR: 72
Reply 24, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6537 times:



Quoting SANFan (Reply 23):
(Especially if they are planning, as you say, more than just SF/LA-DEN, but flying east from Denver as well!)

Yes, from what I hear they are planning on going east to Denver, but "East" as in only Miami.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 23):
And all of this with oil heading for $150/barrel!!!!

If you buy the media hype. It's funny how newspapers are always quick to report analyst that expect $150 oil, yet ignore analysts who are just as credible predicting oil will be back to $60.

While I agree we might see oil peak off at the $130-$140 mark, I bet oil is back to $60 or less within 18 months, easily.



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25 LAXintl : They only have 1 TED flight to begin with currently. Just checked randomly May24, Jun24, Jul24th which all only show a single flights - the same as t
26 Platinumfoota : Besides being UA's main hub, why didn't they cut any flights from ORD?
27 MSYtristar : LAX-MSY: 2 flights to 1 (Ted) DEN-MSY: 3 flights to 2 (Ted) The thing with this is, they are canning the morning MSY-LAX flight, which is very popular
28 FlyIGuy : Where do you think they got the 767 to run DME...I'm guessing that GRU/GIG will remain together thru the winter with upgraded equipment. Any thoughts
29 FlyIGuy : Does this number include the 2 flights added in October to DXB & DME ?
30 MCOAviationFan : I really hope you are right with your prediction. My wallet could use the break. I'm sure every airline CEO and employee would love to see this occur
31 DeltAirlines : My guess would be the regulations on slots at ORD - I think UA already has had to cut flights due to government regulations to reduce congestion/incr
32 United1 : As of this point its still showing IAD-GIG 763, and IAD-GRU as a 772 will operate as separate flights.
33 ERJ170 : Perhaps someone could explain something to me... RDU-DEN is showing 1x Mon-Fri, 0x Sat, 2x Sun.. and all 735 What's that all about?
34 United1 : I'm going to make a guess that one of the ORD-RDU frequencies operates ORD-RDU-DEN instead of ORD-RDU-ORD on Sunday.
35 FlyDreamliner : Goldman Sachs last week released a report stating that they expect oil could reach up into the $150-$200 per barrel range within the next 24 months a
36 B752os : BOS-LAX on UA for the last couple of years was 3 x daily with the third flight being cut after its seasonal run. BOS-LAX will still be 2 x daily.
37 PanAm747 : According to United's website, into October (when I am assuming the discussion is focused) BFL continues to have two DEN flights on CRJ-200's. I'm su
38 LipeGIG : Interesting, smart move from UA considering will be hard to get additional frequencies. Seems that almost all US airlines will try to send larger pla
39 IADLHR : It aslo seems @ IAD that IAD-SPI on UAX will disappear. Quite frankly I am surprised they held on to it this long as the loads were worse than even qu
40 Davescj : I remember AA and UA cutting flights ex ORD to keep the delays down, but I didn't think it was imposed. I also recall, again possibly incorrectly, th
41 DCAYOW : So long as the approaching hurricane season in North America does not impact refining / Gulf drilling facilities. If there is a bad hurricane in the
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