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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2553 times:

I am now waiting for my KLM flight JFK-AMS KL0644 departing 09h55pm (seat 3B). From the NW business lounge in JFK I see PH-BFU B74M City of Beijing at gate A2 and they were doing a big operation to place a brand new Lexus in the cargo compartament - whoever paid for this "express delivery" of the Lexus car must have paid a big price tag :cool: Anyone knows what would be the price tag for such a transatlatntic cargo delivery?

The company I work pays for car tranportation upon relocation, however, only by ship which usually takes from 1 to 3 months, and I assume the cost must be substantially lower.

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User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4277 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2281 times:

It's just a car. Usually fixed price, as it requires a 20ft ULD., blocking 2 positions on the maindeck.
As the USA-AMS flights are widely covered, rates for cargo are low and under pressure.
And shipping such a car is not 'express delivery', it's just cargo and is being treated as other general stuff, but just a bit more care  Wink
Rates... can't tell you the rates for such transportation, but they are not that high as you might expect...



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User currently offlineElmoTheHobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2087 times:

Its not that uncommon. Car companies ship their vehicles by air for commercial shoots. VW shot a commercial at El Toro MCAS - they flew the cars from Germany to Los Angeles and then either put them on a car carrier to the filming location.

I was picking up freight from Air France at LAX and saw a Porsche Cayenne being loaded after a similar shoot, one of the employees said they see this kind of stuff all of the time.

If it needs to be done fast (i.e. time sensitive commercial shoot), the only way is by air.


User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4029 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2049 times:
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Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 1):

how much are they?? do you know??



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1898 times:



Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 1):
It's just a car. Usually fixed price, as it requires a 20ft ULD., blocking 2 positions on the maindeck.
As the USA-AMS flights are widely covered, rates for cargo are low and under pressure.
And shipping such a car is not 'express delivery', it's just cargo and is being treated as other general stuff, but just a bit more care

Interesting, I would have guessed that shipping a car via a pax-scheduled flights would have a high price tag, considering that cargo by sea would take much longer. Also the logistics seem more complicated and I am sure a car would take quite some space from the cargo compartment of the B74M.

Rgs,


User currently offlineDALCA From Netherlands, joined Aug 2006, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1898 times:

Cars are indeed flown all over the place. LH Cargo flies masses of them around the world, a lot of oldtimers included. Some cars even fit easily in lower deck of an aircraft.
Rates are indeed under pressure, can't mention rates due to company rules i'm afraid.



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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4029 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1883 times:
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Quoting DALCA (Reply 5):

cant mention rates?? do you not tell your customers how much it costs???



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User currently offlineDALCA From Netherlands, joined Aug 2006, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1880 times:



Quoting CALMSP (Reply 6):

i can only tell the IATA agents in holland, has all to do with competition compliance and not being used or fired.



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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4029 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1862 times:
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So if i want to ship my car to Holland, you can't tell me how much it costs??


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User currently offlinePetertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3388 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1841 times:



Quoting CALMSP (Reply 8):
So if i want to ship my car to Holland, you can't tell me how much it costs??

You would have to go to a specialist freight forwarder, and the airline will mention their prices to them.

Besides, if you ran a company, would you let the world know the going rate knowing that your competitor is also reading this board?



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User currently offlineDALCA From Netherlands, joined Aug 2006, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1815 times:



Quoting CALMSP (Reply 8):

I can't give rates from the US to Holland, i'm only allowed to do so for cargo originating in Holland.

Quoting Petertenthije (Reply 9):

A lot of airlines only do business with IATA known freight agents and don't do business with private persons.
This has to do with security rules (don't get me started on shipping cargo to the states), proper goods and paperwork and also the payment.

If you would want to ship a car to Europe, you should ask for a quotation from an airfreight agent in your area.



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User currently offlineGARUDAROD From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1522 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1747 times:

I once shipped Sylvester Stallone's Ferrari to the Sultan of Brunei on SQ, lower deck, but
the coolest car I have personally been involved with was the Vector W22, at the time,
the fastest production car in the world. The baby was fast even sitting still on the 20ft. pallet.



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1563 times:



Quoting DALCA (Reply 10):
I can't give rates from the US to Holland, i'm only allowed to do so for cargo originating in Holland.



Quoting DALCA (Reply 10):
A lot of airlines only do business with IATA known freight agents and don't do business with private persons.
This has to do with security rules (don't get me started on shipping cargo to the states), proper goods and paperwork and also the payment.



Quoting DALCA (Reply 5):
Cars are indeed flown all over the place. LH Cargo flies masses of them around the world, a lot of oldtimers included. Some cars even fit easily in lower deck of an aircraft.

Very interesting your replies and indeed I am surprised that shipping car by ar on pax-scheduled flights is price competitive. But I can assume that cargo only airlines would have a price advantage given that they have more cargo space as leverage in negotiating prices. DHL currently is responsible for the cargo of F1 cars around the world.

Btw, and on a different subject, would you agree that KL flies the B74M to destinations with stronger cargo? I am interested to know which destinations in KL network currently have stronger cargo performance.

Rgs,


User currently offlineJfidler From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 370 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1477 times:

Prices to ship a car by boat have been going up lately due to fuel costs. I guess airlines are equally affected though, unless they are more likely to hedge fuel costs.

I shipped a car in a 20-foot container from New York to Tallinn last week by ship, and it cost USD 2500 including all the paperwork fees and stuffing it in the container.


User currently offlineJasondn From South Africa, joined Nov 2007, 207 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1463 times:

In my old compay that I worked for, we used to ship Harleys by air in South Africa. Alot cheaper than road transport and obviously alot quicker. We just had to make sure a wide body jet was flying, 2-3 flights a day and they would fit in just fine!

User currently offlineAirbus Lover From Malaysia, joined Apr 2000, 3248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1398 times:

Shipping cars via 20' container from North America to SE Asia will cost around US$2000 - US$2500.

Via air cargo they are around US$10,000. Have seen as low as US$5000 or as high as US$12000, so it's anywhere in between.

Sometimes the customers want their cars and they are impatient (air cargo takes 3-4 days while ocean freight takes 30 to 40 days after declaration; and sometimes there are port delays) so they are willing to pay extra. The US has probably the cheapest cars in the world, but when imported into SE Asian countries, there is a heavy import duty on them. So what's $10k on $200k (after tax) cars just to get them within 10 days versus 40 days? That's how a few of them customers look at it anyway.


User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2971 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1385 times:

I was at the Concorso D'Eleganza recently and all the cars owned in North America were flown in. I guess it is the easiest and fastest way of flying such expensive pieces of machinery around.


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