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AeroSur Using 727s To Miami?  
User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4000 times:

A pilot friend of mine saw the splendid Aerosur 727 today, saturrday May 10 in the terminal (possibly CP-2488)

Anyone has information if the 757 is getting maintenance or something? Was it a one time-substitution or will the 727 be operating to Miami for a while? That flight must have stopped somewhere on the way.

What days/time is Aerosur flying to Miami now anyway.. their website wasn't of much help. I also couldn't find the Arrival or Departure information for Aerosur on the Miami airport's flight information.

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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33087 posts, RR: 71
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3998 times:



Quoting MIAMIx707 (Thread starter):
What days/time is Aerosur flying to Miami now anyway.. their website wasn't of much help. I also couldn't find the Arrival or Departure information for Aerosur on the Miami airport's flight information.

AeroSur is, IIRC, temporarily using a 727 right now while the 757 is in maintence.

AeroSur MIA schedule consists of morning arrivals on TuThSaSu. On Saturdays, the plane operates a daylight service back to Bolivia instead of parking on the tarmac to do a redeye; other days it departs just before midnight.



a.
User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3988 times:

^ Thanks for that info Mark.

1 Until when is the 757 in maintenance?
2. What time more or less is that daylight departure on Saturday?

Strange though, that I couldn't find it on MIA's website flight info


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33087 posts, RR: 71
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3972 times:



Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 2):
1 Until when is the 757 in maintenance?
2. What time more or less is that daylight departure on Saturday?

757 service resumes June 3rd.

The daylight departure is at 1.30PM, though that flight is not being operated while the 727 is subbing.



a.
User currently offlineDeltabobo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 206 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3856 times:

The 5L 757 flights (MIA-VVI-GRU-VVI-MIA) are operated by RD. Service resumes June 1st, per 5L request.

P.S. RD is Ryan International Airlines



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User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3691 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):

The daylight departure is at 1.30PM, though that flight is not being operated while the 727 is subbing.

On saturdays while they use the 727 it leaves late at night then

stops in Panama City?


User currently offlineLVZXV From Gabon, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 37
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3631 times:

AeroSur could face all kinds of trouble in the very near future. They apparently illegally imported an ex-PA 722 (which I saw at CBB last week) and many of their aircraft are operating very precariously. If some other airline in Bolivia were able to fill such an eventual void, the Bolivian DGAC would pull the plug on 5L and revoke their AOC tomorrow if they could.

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Thread starter):
A pilot friend of mine saw the splendid Aerosur 727 today, saturrday May 10 in the terminal (possibly CP-2488)

That would be B727-233 CP-2498 (ex-CP-2463 with LAB), the youngest aircraft in 5L's fleet.

Is anyone sure 5L will be wet-leasing a Ryan 757 again from June? I believe they are trying very hard to import something else, like a 762 (though 5--all ex-UA and ex-AC machines--have been rejected to date by the DGAC due to their poor condition/lack of papers) as well as (for the 2nd time) a B747-146B(SR), in this case, 5U-ACG.

Saludos,

ZXV



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4556 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3567 times:

The following list illustrates the fleet involved with 5L for the time being.

....Model.........Registration........Former airline............Remarks
B727-264Adv....CP-2422..............Mexicana
B727-264Adv....CP-2424 .............Mexicana
B727-264Adv....CP-2447..............Mexicana.............Stored at EZE
B727-264Adv....CP-2462..............Mexicana.............Stored at LBP
B727-223Adv... CP-2498.........American Airlines
B737-201Adv....CP-2438...........Canada 3000
B737-281Adv....CP-2476...............Westjet
B737-281Adv....CP-2484........European Aircharter
B737-281Adv....CP-2486........European Aircharter
B737-2N7Adv....CP-2507.............Jatayu Air............Stored at Bandung
...B757-236.......N526NA..........Ryan Intl Airlines

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineLVZXV From Gabon, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 37
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3502 times:



Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 7):
The following list illustrates the fleet involved with 5L for the time being.

....Model.........Registration........Former airline............Remarks
B727-264Adv....CP-2422..............Mexicana
B727-264Adv....CP-2424 .............Mexicana
B727-264Adv....CP-2447..............Mexicana.............Stored at EZE
B727-264Adv....CP-2462..............Mexicana.............Stored at LBP
B727-223Adv... CP-2498.........American Airlines
B737-201Adv....CP-2438...........Canada 3000
B737-281Adv....CP-2476...............Westjet
B737-281Adv....CP-2484........European Aircharter
B737-281Adv....CP-2486........European Aircharter
B737-2N7Adv....CP-2507.............Jatayu Air............Stored at Bandung
...B757-236.......N526NA..........Ryan Intl Airlines

Almost! Some minor corrections, if I may:

CP-2438 had its CofA revoked last year and has been dumped at EZE for many months now. Not of much use to 5L anyway as was unable to reach LPB due to its JT8D-9A engines (vs. the -17s of the other 732s).

Former airline for CP-2498 was once upon a time American Airlines, but last operator was none other than Lloyd Aéreo Boliviano (something fishy about this transaction too).

CP-2507 was an illegal reg, apparently meant for another Jatayu 732 which is now said to have arrived in Bolivia for Aerolíneas Sudamericanas (2nd plane for them). Nonetheless, 5L have received (saw with my own eyes) the original Jatayu 732 in question and has registered it CP-2508. It is parked behind the mysterios Pan Am 722 and the derelict ex-5L 722 CP-2423 at Cochabamba.

I believe the last operators for CP-2484 & 2486 were also Westjet, since the latter still has the plaque in the rear galley with the Canadian reg C-GQWJ.

Saludos,

ZXV



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User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3490 times:

Hey thanks for sharing all that information

Quoting LVZXV (Reply 6):

That would be B727-233 CP-2498 (ex-CP-2463 with LAB), the youngest aircraft in 5L's fleet.

Is anyone sure 5L will be wet-leasing a Ryan 757 again from June?


The interesting thing was, both the 727 and 757 were there that day (the 757 didn't look like it was getting maintenance because it wasn't by the hangars)


ZXV, do you think they can get away with operating that single plane to MIA 4x weekly? (since it's the newer one)


Perhaps 123 who usually participates in Bolivian av threads can tell us some more of what's going on


User currently offlineLVZXV From Gabon, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 37
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3408 times:



Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 9):
Hey thanks for sharing all that information

Not at all!

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 9):
The interesting thing was, both the 727 and 757 were there that day (the 757 didn't look like it was getting maintenance because it wasn't by the hangars)

That is strange...

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 9):
ZXV, do you think they can get away with operating that single plane to MIA 4x weekly? (since it's the newer one)

I don't know if its sisterships are actually impeded in any way from operating the route. Believe they have more powerful engines too, so I would think all five (or six if the Pan Am gets registered) can operate to MIA.

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 9):

Perhaps 123 who usually participates in Bolivian av threads can tell us some more of what's going on

Yes, his feedback would be more than welcome!

Saludos,

ZXV



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User currently offlineLVZXV From Gabon, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 37
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3403 times:



Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 9):
Hey thanks for sharing all that information

Not at all.

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 9):
The interesting thing was, both the 727 and 757 were there that day (the 757 didn't look like it was getting maintenance because it wasn't by the hangars)

That is strange...

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 9):
ZXV, do you think they can get away with operating that single plane to MIA 4x weekly? (since it's the newer one)

I don't know if its sisterships are actually impeded in any way from operating the route. Believe they have more powerful engines too, so I would think all five (or six if the Pan Am gets registered) can operate to MIA.

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 9):

Perhaps 123 who usually participates in Bolivian av threads can tell us some more of what's going on

Yes, his feedback would be more than welcome!

Saludos,

ZXV

PS. Apologies if a double post shows up. First time I posted reply didn't seem to come through...



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User currently offlineLVHGEL From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2007, 215 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3325 times:

The PA 727, is not one of the now defunct Boston-Main/Clipper Connection (Guilford Transport) birds?

User currently offlineLVZXV From Gabon, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 37
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3275 times:



Quoting LVHGEL (Reply 12):
The PA 727, is not one of the now defunct Boston-Main/Clipper Connection (Guilford Transport) birds?

Yes, one of those. If anyone can come-up with an ID (was unable to get a clear shot of it), I would be much obliged.

Saludos,

ZXV



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User currently offlineLVHGEL From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2007, 215 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3240 times:



Quoting LVZXV (Reply 13):
Yes, one of those. If anyone can come-up with an ID (was unable to get a clear shot of it), I would be much obliged

The last 727 in that flown with PA colors was N348PA as far as the info I have at hand.


User currently offline123 From Bolivia, joined Nov 2003, 745 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3141 times:

Sorry for not answering as fast as you wanted, I was not checking forums.

a) 5L indeed is changing a little bit, I know they want to incorporate "new" (probably second hand) aircraft in the second semester 2008.

b) They started flights to Cuzco (Perú)

c) They modernized computing systems to enable pre-flight checkin online and other advantages

d) They are operating their own catering company to improve on board service.

e) They now operate lounges in the major airports in Bolivia for premium pax

f) A couple of weeks ago they advertised that they will have a dedicated aircraft for the VVI-LPB-VVI run to guarantee ontime departures.

g) The VVI-MAD-VVI leg is being operated codeshare with A7 Air Comet of Spain, operating A330 on Mondays and Wednesdays and A310 with stop at Tenerife on Fridays (I took the flight recently in "Clase A", interesting!).

However all the points of flights/aircraft indicated in the forum are not public and I cannot comment much to them. Tonight I will have a 5L flight and let´s see what aircraft I get. I will try to inform.

Also as the 5L maintenance is done at CBB airport I will try to see what aircraft I get to sight, yet it will probably be difficult due to the darkness at the hour of my forseen departure.


Rgds 123


User currently offlineDeltabobo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 206 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3075 times:

N526NA is down for maintenance in MIA due a tailstrike in VVI. It was ferried back to MIA, where being fixed by Commercial Jet. Meanwhile, we were using N929RD for the 5L flights until N151GX came out of C-Check in SJO. It has since come out and N151GX was operating the flights. Aerosur has told us to halt the 757 flights until June 1. So as of today, 151 was operating DOD charters until then. Will give updates later on.


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User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3048 times:



Quoting Deltabobo (Reply 16):
N526NA is down for maintenance in MIA due a tailstrike in VVI. It was ferried back to MIA, where being fixed by Commercial Jet. Meanwhile, we were using N929RD for the 5L flights until N151GX came out of C-Check in SJO. It has since come out and N151GX was operating the flights. Aerosur has told us to halt the 757 flights until June 1. So as of today, 151 was operating DOD charters until then. Will give updates later on.

So that means whatever flights 5L are doing to Miami are not using the Ryan 757s, right?


User currently offline123 From Bolivia, joined Nov 2003, 745 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2990 times:



Quoting LVZXV (Reply 8):
It is parked behind the mysterios Pan Am 722 and the derelict ex-5L 722 CP-2423 at Cochabamba.

Where at CBB?


User currently offlineLVZXV From Gabon, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 37
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2955 times:



Quoting 123 (Reply 18):

Where at CBB?

When you land/take-off on Rwy 32 at CBB, the first major hangar you see to your right is the one 5L now use for mx. I don't have a picture of said 722, but I do do have it for two seconds on an 8MB video while landing in CBB on 01-05-08, shot from a PZ A320. It was in the same position when I passed through CBB again on 06-05-08.

Saludos,

ZXV



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User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2920 times:

For what is worth, said 727 was at MIA again tuesday.

Thanks to ZXV's post I learned there's a new airline in Bolivia. Here's a pic:



Kind of a so-so scheme, but hey... the 727 lives!


User currently offlineLVZXV From Gabon, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 37
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2860 times:



Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 20):
For what is worth, said 727 was at MIA again tuesday.

You mean CP-2498? Interesting to know, because apparently even the Argentine and Brazilian authorities are keeping a close eye on that plane over safety concerns (though the rest of the 5L fleet is probably worse).

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 20):
Kind of a so-so scheme, but hey... the 727 lives!

"AS", as it is known, did indeed opt for a not-so-convincing livery, but a fellow member of this forum and personal friend of mine (Canberra is his username) did a return trip on AS recently within Bolivia and spoke quite well of them. Apparently the interior and the seats are very Old School but comfy nonetheless.

The trouble with the airline however is a serious lack of advertising and until very recently at least, they operated with just the one ex-Sun Country 722 (reg. CP-2499) and inevitably, said aircraft had to go in for maintenance and an engine change and the DGAC obliged them to go to LIM to do it, thus the airline had to suspend ops for at least a few days.

Now they are said to have received an ex-Jatayu 732 (sister to 5L's CP-2508) registration CP-2507, and that newer stuff (ie. 733s) are due to arrive shortly. But as always with any remotely fuel-efficient aircraft in much of South America, seeing is believing.

Still, I second your thoughts Miamix707; at least the 727 continues to live in Bolivia some 45 years after the type's 1st flight. Make the most of them because in two years time there may be none left--even Lloyd are not planning long-term with theirs.

Saludos,

ZXV



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User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks ago) and read 2775 times:



Quoting LVZXV (Reply 21):

You mean CP-2498

Yes

Quoting LVZXV (Reply 21):
Apparently the interior and the seats are very Old School but comfy nonetheless.

There's a youtube video of the interior of the plane in flight, looks good to me. Maybe your friend posted it. The airline's commercials.are there also.

Very detailed info as always,  bigthumbsup 


User currently offlineLVZXV From Gabon, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 37
Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2706 times:

Unconfirmed reports that the mysterious Pan Am 722 at CBB is N348PA. Any corroboration from anywhere would be great but it seems like all others are accounted for in the USA.

Not meaning to be alarmist or anything, but a number of photos being studied by the Bolivian DGAC (including one of mine) would appear to indicate that the 732 CP-2486 has corrosion, cracks and a number of other defects that would ground the plane were it not the powers that be (an ex-LAB inspector would have the aircrafts CofA revoked at once, whereas an ex-5L or friend of Evo would think differently). Just in case any of you are planning to fly 5L any time soon...if I were you, I would not board that plane. The rest of the fleet, though dodgy, is apparently "passable", just.

Saludos,

ZXV



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User currently offline123 From Bolivia, joined Nov 2003, 745 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2602 times:

Confirmed, 5L using 727-200 to MIA.

Yesterday (May 16th) I flew with the CP2498 VVI-CBB and the return flight schedule for the aircraft was CBB-VVI(23:00)-PTY-MIA and return.

The cabin is questionably comfortable... worn seats (old AA!) , however 5L's onboard service makes up for it, at least on shorthaul flights.


25 Hardiwv : Interesting rotation. What days of the week 5L operates the aboev route? VVI now has itw own lounge? Could you please report back on their ontime per
26 Post contains links 123 : Yes it does. It´s right in front of Brazilian Coffee / behind the store that sells ametrines (Anahi if I´m not wrong). In the international zone...
27 LVZXV : The good news is that the Bolivian DGAC grounded said aircraft last week and revoked it's CofA until further notice. I don't think the aircraft can b
28 Hardiwv : Thanks again for sharing all your expertise and knowledge. What are the connections of Rocca apart from business. Does he have inroads in the Bolivia
29 MIAMIx707 : It's on the first reply of this thread Finally saw the 727 at MIA. The exception to the above is that the 727 spends the rest of the day on Saturday
30 727LOVER : Is it still coming or has the 757 been repaired?
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