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Man Dies On UA Flight, Crew Never Noticed  
User currently offlineAA@DFW From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 397 posts, RR: 0
Posted (13 years 10 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4990 times:

United Crew Fail to Notice Man's Death on Flight, Paper Says

By Kelvin Chan

Hong Kong, Feb. 22 (Bloomberg) -- Cabin crew on a United Airlines flight didn't notice a man had died on a flight from Hong Kong to Singapore until after the plane landed, the South China Morning Post reported, citing an unidentified passenger.

The passenger said he told a flight attendant about the 51- year-old American man, but she didn't immediately check on him, instead helping others disembark from the plane, the paper said.

The airline, owned by UAL Corp., would not comment on the possibility the man had died of deep vein thrombosis, the paper said.

Deep vein thrombosis occurs when a blood clot forms, usually in the leg. The clots are life-threatening because they have the potential to lodge in vital organs. The condition attracted worldwide attention in October when a 28-year old woman collapsed and died at Heathrow airport after a 20-hour flight from Sydney to London.


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User currently offlineL'Espace180 From France, joined Sep 2000, 938 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (13 years 10 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4624 times:

That is a quite starnge story....

User currently offlineWolfpacker From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 354 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (13 years 10 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4571 times:

Why do they assume the cause of death was deep vein thrombosis? Couldn't he have died of a heart attack or another illness? Why speculate?

oh my bad, their job is to sell newspapers.  Wink/being sarcastic


User currently offlineChiawei From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 946 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (13 years 10 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4529 times:

This goes to show that how UA does not care about their pax. Flew them several time across the pacific. By far one of the worst carriers flying across pacific. Service and seats are poor.

UA just does not care about cabin services. it is not suprise to me that no one cared about this poor soul.


User currently offlineL'Espace180 From France, joined Sep 2000, 938 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (13 years 10 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4514 times:

Chiawei, you mightfor sure! beright...

User currently offlineGibberish From Switzerland, joined Sep 2000, 424 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (13 years 10 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4499 times:

I cannot comment on UA's service as I haven't flown them in the last 6 years. Although I have heard their service isn't that great I can imagine them being comparable to any other American carrier. Far behind the Europeans and Asians. But what you guys are saying is wrong, IMHO. People tend to fall asleep on longhaul flights so maybe it just looked like the guy was sleeping on the whole flight, who knows. Well, that's the way of life - has to end at some point. Tragic but true.

gibberish


User currently offlineChiawei From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 946 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (13 years 10 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4489 times:

One more thing that I would like to add.

I fly quite a bit on UA 844(i think) to TPE. Usually we will be fed once, and the attendant would be missing for nearly 5-6 hours (no where to be found).

Asking for a drink is next to impossible. And UA has by far the most cramped seats on their long haul route. (especially in economy).

For a couple hundred more I can fly on EVA to TPE with much bigger seats, better food, and overall much better services. Their cabin crew is always around and comes through cabin once every 10-20 minutes to offer drinks without even me asking for it.

Anyway all Asian carriers are much better than any north american airlines. In fact many european airlines are better than North American carrier as well.



User currently offlineWestern737 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 489 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (13 years 10 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4461 times:

Chiawei, you are probably right about those North American carriers flying the cramped seats and less-reliable attendants. I haven't flew over ocean till last few months ago when I flew DL's L-1011 to OGG and I was surprised how tight seats and cant believe how could those people are able to flying like this on 12-15 hours?!? I guess I went thru all ads from non-North American carriers showing how comfortable riding can be and didnt see any from North American carriers and easily for me to assume that all airlines are about the same.

Hopefully that AA's new program on removing few seats off to give more space will help influence other North American carriers to gain more convenience for every passengers. Too bad that there's more manic or air-raged passengers gone too far that might turn flight attendants into police gezabos.





User currently offlineJaseWGTN From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 823 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (13 years 10 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4413 times:

How has this thread turned from someone dying on board an aircraft to a "Lets slam the US Carriers" post?

User currently offlineDEN-HNL From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (13 years 10 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4402 times:

That's funny, JaseWGTN, I was just thinking the same thing. How tragic. Stay on the subject, people! Geesh.


John Hancock
User currently offlineKLM747 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2001, 669 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (13 years 10 months 1 day ago) and read 4392 times:

I agree with the 2 people above.  Big thumbs up These threads don't seem to stay on the subject all the time.

KLM747 Big grin


User currently offlineChiawei From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 946 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (13 years 10 months 1 day ago) and read 4381 times:

sorry about getting off the topic.

But if the attendant had paid any kind of attention to the pax, someone would have noticed already. Perhaps the poor soul can be saved.

But I have seen too many US carrier flight attendent just disappear out of the site. This will not happen with a foreign carrier. I have seen attendant from SQ, CX, BR, CI, and host of others would actually help passenger by cover them with blanket when pax is sound asleep.

I just found it hard to believe that no attendant ever found out what is going on. Moreover, since US carrier seats are among the worse in the world (economy), y-class syndrom would only get worse.


User currently offlineBoeing747-400 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (13 years 10 months 23 hours ago) and read 4354 times:

Stop bashing United here! The man could have looked like he had been taking a nap or had just fallen asleep, but not this time! Do you expect crew members to check every passenger that sleeps on a flight to see if they're dead or not? Rubbish!

User currently offlineJaseWGTN From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 823 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (13 years 10 months 23 hours ago) and read 4312 times:

Chiawei:

Close minded people like your self are what is starting to turn me away from this forum.

Just face the fact, some one sleeping in a chair would look like someone who had passed away. I would doubt that any line walks around in the middle of the night going "shake shake, just making sure you were asleep sir and hadn't popped off!"

People in coffins don't look dead, they just look asleep!

Jase


User currently offlineChiawei From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 946 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (13 years 10 months 23 hours ago) and read 4308 times:

If you don't like what other people have to say, then stay away. this is a free forum. it is because of close-minded person like you that does not listen to complaints resulting in today's cattle car mentality.

If a fellow pax already notice something is wrong, wouldn't be a courtesy for any attendant to check out.

Also, even during sleep, a person still breathes and have some small movement. Unless the guy is a statue or dead in this case, it is not difficult to see what is going on.


User currently offlineJaseWGTN From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 823 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (13 years 10 months 22 hours ago) and read 4286 times:

Sure, maybe complain once, but do you REALLY have to complain FOUR times in one post about United?



User currently offlineILUV767 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3141 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (13 years 10 months 22 hours ago) and read 4289 times:

Ok everyone,

None of us really knows what happened on this flight. That is given. The passenger died, that's all we know right now, the rest is speculation. Economy class syndrome happens on a lot of airlines. I'm sure that it has happened on EVA or Singapore as well. For all we know, this person may have died of a drug overdose.

Next, in the US, you can be suied for every little thing. If the attendant touches this man in anyway, it can be taken as battery. The person looked like he was sleeping, so they made an assumption. Sometimes things go wrong. This was one of those things. Also, these kinds of incedents happens a lot. Babies get born, passengers die, fires start, its all part of daily life. This is a sad incedent that happened, but I would not call it United's fault.

Next, regarding UA's coach seats, I agree that they are cramped compared to the 777, and the legroom is a lot less less than a 777. Simply, get up and walk around for a while. They are not that bad.


User currently offlineJaseWGTN From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 823 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (13 years 10 months 22 hours ago) and read 4274 times:

ILUV767


Well, said

I go back to my corner now and get off my soap box

 Wink/being sarcastic

Jase


User currently offlineBoeing757fan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (13 years 10 months 21 hours ago) and read 4260 times:

This cant be UAL, can it? I mean, I cant believe they would do something like this! !!!!!!!NOT!!!!!!!!!!

Welcome to Untied Airlines.


User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (13 years 10 months 20 hours ago) and read 4243 times:

Chiawei, you would actually be surprised to see the amount of passengers who actually do fall asleep, and REMAIN asleep until well after landing. Should a flight attendant be worried about a passenger never waking up? Why bother the sleeping passenger...he's not doing any harm...just make sure to wake him off by the time you (as a FA) deplane.

Furthermore, with your snotty comment about "This goes to show that how UA does not care about their pax", might I remind you that, THE FLIGHT ATTENDANTS WHO WERE ON THAT FLIGHT ARE THE SAME PEOPLE WHO FLY FOR SINAGPORE AND CATHAY...that's right...the only FA's on that flight are from Hong Kong and Singapore...hard to believe one of your "Singapore Girls" could be like that...

Finally, are you really that stupid to believe that a flight attendant would leave a passenger DYING in their seat, especially if they could have done something to help them!? Hell no...

Get your head checked...

F L Y 7 7 7 U A L


User currently offlineAKDan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (13 years 10 months 20 hours ago) and read 4226 times:

Some people seem to be missing an important point. Kelvin Chan rights "The passenger said he told a flight attendant about the 51- year-old American man, but she didn't immediately check on him, instead helping others disembark from the plane, the paper said." It is obvious from this sentence that the passenger alerted a flight attendent of the man (for all we know the passenger may have just told the FA that the man didn't wake up on landing) AFTER they had landed. Obviously the FA was not aware that it was an emergency and ANY flight attendant would wait until after unloading the plane before waking a sleeping passenger (especially with all the commotion). And as many have stated above, a dead man looks as if he was sleeping and no flight attendant wakes a sleeping man...if they did, many would be angry. Not trying to defend North American airlines, just trying to remind all of an important point.

User currently offlineILUV767 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3141 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (13 years 10 months 20 hours ago) and read 4211 times:

FLY777UAL,

thank you. Isn't it weird how many people love to blame United? Sucks huh?


User currently offlineBoeing747-400 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (13 years 10 months 19 hours ago) and read 4208 times:

I agree with Fly777ual, ILUV767, and Jase. BTW, if the passenger who told the FA was aware of the death or problem, wouldn't he/she yell at someone for help, not walk calmly up to an FA and say, "Oh, uh, um, that uh, that uh, man over, over there didn't wake up." Should the FA automatically know it was an emergency?! Give me a break! United is a great airline, some people just can't resect American carriers.

User currently offlineILUV767 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3141 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (13 years 10 months 19 hours ago) and read 4188 times:

Boeing747-400,

Well said


User currently offlineAvt007 From Canada, joined Jul 2000, 2132 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (13 years 10 months 19 hours ago) and read 4180 times:

Personally, I wish the F/As would wake you up before the landing. The one time I was asleep, the landing scared the hell outa me! I agree, though, to blame the airline for this is ridiculous.

25 Early Air : The airlines need to adjust the economy seating with more leg room to prevent this from happening, PEOPLE ARE DYING! Rgds, Early Air
26 FLY777UAL : Deep Vein Thrombosis has nothing to do with the seat pitch at all, but rather poor circulation due to long periods of inactivity. In addition, United
27 Post contains images Mech@lax : water's wet, the sky is blue, and people die. no one knows why this person died, yet, so all you fools can stop blaming United cause you really don't
28 747firstclass : Wasnt there anyone sitting near him that realized something was wrong? Like when he didnt move after awhile? Did people climb over him to get off teh
29 Cargyvr : IF the guy was dead,,, do you think the f/a's could of done anything?
30 SEVEN_FIFTY7 : AKDan really hit the nail on the head. I mean, the article DOES imply that a passenger alerted the F/A during disembarkation from the aircraft. The F/
31 ILUV767 : I think that mech@lax said it very well. He has a point. Everyone has this need to blame others for their problems. If someone dies...it must be someo
32 Spaceman : The man gets on the plane alive, and gets off the plane dead. This is one interesting case.
33 R347216 : Chaiwei, My, my, why are you such a flight attendant basher. I take it you must be one of those passengers that I sometimes have the misfortune of hav
34 N628AU : DVT is just the latest media hype, after it being proven that cell phone usage does not cause brain cancer. And Chia, just knock it off. If you don't
35 Airnewzealand : SQ and UA are much different carriers, and Yes people on board SQ have died before!! Maybe this was due to the FA's not walking around?? Give me a bre
36 Ryanb741 : Can I just second the point made by several of our members that 'Economy Class Syndrome' is a misleading title. DVT affects people in Biz/1st class, i
37 Parra : I once flew Virgin from JFK to LHR. It was a flight that departed at about midnight. This meant that most passengers went straight to sleep. Good old
38 Chiawei : Dear Mikey, I would really like to see some evidence behind your claim. 1. Asian carrier not focus on safety? Yes there are unsafe Asian and European
39 United Airline : Boeing747-400, You are right! How the hell would someone know whether a person has fallen asleep or have died!!!!!!!! Besides, it is the 'blood flow'
40 AKelley728 : The article states: "The passenger said he told a flight attendant about the 51- year-old American man." My question is: Did the passenger say to the
41 DeltaSFO : Ouch... I just got off Delta flight 465 from MEX to LAX and my leg kinda hurts. I think I'm going to sue Delta. DeltaSFO
42 Airnewzealand : Pretty funny Delta.. Chiawei i didnot say that AA or any American carriers were more safe than Asian airlines. I said that most American Carriers base
43 United_Fan : I don't see what the big deal is! Someone could die in thier sleep and not make a sound or move.I don't see that this is United's fault...... Just wh
44 MaxPOWERS : People are dying to fly nowadays... Condolences to his family and friends, but if i lawsuit goes out to the airline then I am pissing on our constitut
45 LoneStarMike : There was a little more info on this story from the Associated Press:Passenger Death Goes Unnoticed— A United Airlines passenger died flying from Ho
46 Dash8tech : Well said R347216!!! Thanks for the additional info Lone Star Mike! Cheers.
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