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Cathay's 747's To DXB?  
User currently offlineRonerone From Jordan, joined Aug 2004, 1653 posts, RR: 53
Posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7802 times:

I was checking CX's website for fares in October and all flights that go from HKG to DXB and stop in BOM are operated with the 744 (including the 2-stop milk run). Interestingly so, on their online timetable it shows as 74A however when i proceed to make a 'dummy' booking, the fleet shows 747.

Im sorry if this has been posted before, but when was the decision made to deploy the 747 here? and with the new product at that too? ... If that's the case, then that is great news!

Regards,
Roni


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User currently offlineCx773 From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2001, 365 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7702 times:

HKG-BKK-BOM-DXB will be operated by 74A for sure.  Smile

User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2232 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7684 times:

DXB increasing demand has attracted larger equipment in the past, but CX upgrade surely is a surprise.

So now besides CX, 744s are used on DXB flights by LH, SV, AI and BA (seasonally). Anyone else?



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User currently offlineFly2CHC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7661 times:



Quoting JoKeR (Reply 2):
So now besides CX, 744s are used on DXB flights by LH, SV, AI and BA (seasonally).

I think AI have stopped their 744 flights into DXB.

RB still operate 747s from DAM.


User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2232 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7646 times:



Quoting Fly2CHC (Reply 3):

I think AI have stopped their 744 flights into DXB.

Then their 738s/313s have one hell of a camouflage.  Smile))) Saw an AI 744 parked next to us on my recent trip to DXB, both when I arrived and few days later when I returned from DXB.

I know about RB, there is also GMG and Biman and Mahan if I'm not mistaken, but these are not 744s.



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User currently offlineCX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6573 posts, RR: 55
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7621 times:

With the Middle Eastern carriers and now Jet Airways providing a much superior product to Cathay's 'regional' business class on the 777s, the decision to change to the 74A was not for additional capacity alone but because the new long haul product is a worthy competitor of those other carriers.

User currently offlineOjas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2950 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7563 times:

Guys don't get excited. The B74A technically has 2 seats less than the B773A. So it is more of a downgrade.

The CX 750/751 and CX 685/684 will be operated by the B74A from October.



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User currently offlineCX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6573 posts, RR: 55
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7518 times:

Actually the 773 in regional configuration at Cathay has 385 seats versus I think 379 for the 74A.

User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7513 times:



Quoting Ojas (Reply 6):
So it is more of a downgrade.

You missed the point big time.



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User currently offlineOjas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2950 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7492 times:



Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 8):
You missed the point big time

Oh yes you are right overlooked that post  Wink.



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User currently offlineRonerone From Jordan, joined Aug 2004, 1653 posts, RR: 53
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7492 times:



Quoting CX flyboy (Reply 5):
With the Middle Eastern carriers and now Jet Airways providing a much superior product to Cathay's 'regional' business class on the 777s, the decision to change to the 74A was not for additional capacity alone but because the new long haul product is a worthy competitor of those other carriers.

So will we see the 333's with the new products at DXB (and BAH) then? Considering that the non-stops to HKG will probably attract more premium pax. Or is this just an Indian strategy that CX has adopted?

Regards,
Roni



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User currently offlineCX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6573 posts, RR: 55
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7394 times:



Quoting Ronerone (Reply 10):
So will we see the 333's with the new products at DXB (and BAH) then? Considering that the non-stops to HKG will probably attract more premium pax. Or is this just an Indian strategy that CX has adopted?

I have not heard that the new product 333s will head to DXB. Maybe someone with better info can fill us in?


User currently offlineRamzi From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7295 times:



Quoting CX flyboy (Reply 7):
74A

Excuse my ignorance but I've never seen '74A' mentioned. Clearly its a 747 freighter, but which subtype?

Thanks.



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User currently offlineRonerone From Jordan, joined Aug 2004, 1653 posts, RR: 53
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7250 times:



Quoting Ramzi (Reply 12):
Excuse my ignorance but I've never seen '74A' mentioned. Clearly its a 747 freighter, but which subtype?

No, 74A is an indication that it is a 747 with the new product. If it was a freighter, it wouldnt appear on the passenger service schedule on their website.

Regards,
Roni



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User currently offlineMisbeehavin From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 914 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7068 times:



Quoting Ronerone (Reply 13):
No, 74A is an indication that it is a 747 with the new product

Yep! The 74As have this layout, with the brilliant new product:
http://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/images/aircraft_type/747_400A.gif

Compared with the old standard layout:
http://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/airc...type/imageFolder/ff747_400_74y.gif

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 2):
DXB increasing demand has attracted larger equipment in the past, but CX upgrade surely is a surprise.

I think the upgrade is more targeted to the BOM market than DXB. Anyone know what happened recently that has led to a flood of flights? I was in BOM for a couple of weeks on work just a few months ago and was looking into doing a weekend trip to HKG. Turns out there wasn't a single nonstop BOM-HKG flight and now suddenly there are at least 3-4?

That's a massive change in no time at all!


User currently offlineRamzi From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7023 times:



Quoting Ronerone (Reply 13):
No, 74A is an indication that it is a 747 with the new product. If it was a freighter, it wouldnt appear on the passenger service schedule on their website.

Sorry about that, I sort of skimmed through the thread too quickly. And i assumed freighter I guess because I was exploring the enormity of cargo flights CX serves into DXB or through it a few days ago. Thanks.



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User currently offlineRonerone From Jordan, joined Aug 2004, 1653 posts, RR: 53
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6989 times:



Quoting Misbeehavin (Reply 14):
I think the upgrade is more targeted to the BOM market than DXB. Anyone know what happened recently that has led to a flood of flights? I was in BOM for a couple of weeks on work just a few months ago and was looking into doing a weekend trip to HKG. Turns out there wasn't a single nonstop BOM-HKG flight and now suddenly there are at least 3-4?

You are right. First of all, the change to new product seems like a response to Jet Airways' launch of services to HKG. Secondly, i believe the bilaterals between HKG and India have been revised and Cathay and Dragonair were granted additional frequencies. As a result, i believe Cathay wasted no time to exercise all the rights if im not mistaken. This resulted in the influx of additional CX capacity in India, and also the extra tag-ons to DXB.

Cathay's HKG location is at an advantage when compared to SIN or BKK for US (especially West Coast) to India O & D traffic as it permits for just one-stop connections as opposed to stopping over at TPE/ICN etc. and then connecting at SIN / BKK for example. Not only can CX be at an advantage over SQ, TG, and perhaps MH, but can also compete with the likes of EK, EY, and QR as well, which also offer one stop connections on the other side of the globe.

Regards,
Roni



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User currently offlineFly2CHC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6577 times:



Quoting JoKeR (Reply 4):
Then their 738s/313s have one hell of a camouflage

Per Amadeus:

1IC:AI9679 D BOM 2 DXB 0745 0905 0 16JAN08 01MAY09 320 2:50
2 AI 717 D BOM 2 DXB 1 1445 1605 0 10MAY08 14AUG08 320 2:50
3IC:AI9683 D BOM 2 DXB 2030 2155 0 16JAN08 01MAY09 320 2:55

1IC:AI9897 D DEL 2 DXB 1 0750 0945 0 16JAN08 01MAY09 320 3:25
2IC:AI9895 D DEL 2 DXB 2000 2155 0 24APR08 01MAY09 320 3:25
3 AI 747 D DEL 2 DXB 1 2055 2245 0 03APR08 01MAY09 320 3:20

Can't see a 744 there. Perhaps they were in DXB for engineering or as diversions?


User currently onlineAirxliban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4506 posts, RR: 54
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6409 times:



Quoting Fly2CHC (Reply 3):
I think AI have stopped their 744 flights into DXB.

RB still operate 747s from DAM.

I've seen AI 74D's at Dubai recently, at least two weeks in a row in April. Not sure where they were operating to, but it was around 5pm on Friday nights.

I believe that RB retired the 747SPs in late March...unfortunately.



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User currently offline9V-SPJ From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 748 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day ago) and read 5984 times:

Cathay not only has good connections from India to the US, it is also much cheaper. My mom is going to India in November of this year and it was the cheapest alternative (miles cheaper than SQ). SQ is ridiculously expensive to the point where it makes no sense to pay so much for what may be superior service to CX.

9V-SPJ


User currently offlineCX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6573 posts, RR: 55
Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 months 13 hours ago) and read 4378 times:



Quoting Ronerone (Reply 16):
believe the bilaterals between HKG and India have been revised and Cathay and Dragonair were granted additional frequencies. As a result, i believe Cathay wasted no time to exercise all the rights if im not mistaken. This resulted in the influx of additional CX capacity in India, and also the extra tag-ons to DXB.

It was indeed due to the bilaterals and although they allow passenger services through India to destinations in Europe (Apart from LHR) which CX have not done, they have otherwise been fully exercised and even then, CX could easily launch more flights to India if the authorities allowed.


User currently offlineOjas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2950 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 months 13 hours ago) and read 4341 times:

It was so difficult to digest the fact that till october 2007, there was not a single non stop flight between BOM and HKG. the deadlock , when broken, finally enabled more flights not only out of BOM and DEL but also giving new points in India such as MAA and BLR.


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User currently offlineRonerone From Jordan, joined Aug 2004, 1653 posts, RR: 53
Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 months 12 hours ago) and read 4199 times:



Quoting Ojas (Reply 21):
It was so difficult to digest the fact that till october 2007, there was not a single non stop flight between BOM and HKG. the deadlock , when broken, finally enabled more flights not only out of BOM and DEL but also giving new points in India such as MAA and BLR.

Oh this turned out for the best for Cathay i suppose. I am certain they are already milking all their new India routes.

Quoting 9V-SPJ (Reply 19):
to pay so much for what may be superior service to CX.

CX is better  Smile



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (6 years 2 months 2 hours ago) and read 3988 times:



Quoting JoKeR (Reply 4):
Quoting Fly2CHC (Reply 3):

I think AI have stopped their 744 flights into DXB.

Then their 738s/313s have one hell of a camouflage. ))) Saw an AI 744 parked next to us on my recent trip to DXB, both when I arrived and few days later when I returned from DXB.

AI 747s to DXB are substituted for regular A310s when loads are higher.


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4745 posts, RR: 44
Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3884 times:

Cathay Pacific will be upgrading its in-flight product on their Mumbai and Dubai flights from Oct 1st 2008. Currently, HKG-BKK-BOM-DXB and HKG-BOM-DXB is flown using a 2 class Boeing 777-300A, however effective October, it will deploy the Boeing 747-400 on both routes which will have the new First and Business class cabin (74A). CX will therefore become the only airline flying a Boeing 747 between BOM & DXB and as a result of it will offer the most luxurious on board product in the F & J class cabins on this lucrative high yielding route.

An excellent move by CX to deploy their B 744s with the new J & F class in-flight product on the BKK-BOM and BOM-DXB routes. It will definitely result in a few EK J & F class O&D passengers switching airlines as CX's in-flight product offering in these premium cabins is far superior to EK/AI on the BOM-DXB-BOM route in particular. Added to this fact is that ASIA MILES FFP is also superior to EK's Skywards.


25 Misbeehavin : Ah that makes sense now. Shows how unchanged bilaterals can play with the market, when you go from zero to three daily nonstops between HKG-BOM overn
26 Cloudyapple : 4 flights now - 2x Cathay, 1x Jet, 1x Air India
27 Ojas : CX has only 6 non stops , and 4 one stop flight to HKG.
28 OHLHD : Not quite yet but very very soon now. ( 23rd August seems to be the last flight) F 9 J 46 Y 324 This is the config currently loaded for the CX 747 fl
29 Cloudyapple : You are right.
30 CX flyboy : I believe that is the old version which is a little surprising!
31 ZK-NBT : Should be the new one as the old one had 12 F seats. Pretty sure the schedules say 74A anyway.
32 Peh : I've noticed that Cathay is now using the 747 on it's HKG to SYD route as well. This route is traditionally serviced by either an A330 or (albeit very
33 CX flyboy : I was under the impression the new config had 375 seats actually. oh well!
34 Flying Belgian : Maybe also a consequence of the very premium product that SQ now offers with the A380... FB.
35 Misbeehavin : Actually, it is the new config 74A that will be flying the Bombay route. The new product is the main reason for the change in aircraft, more than cap
36 777way : Do other Asian carriers plan to upgarde Dubai with better product?
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