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Aircrafts Not Welcomed In EU  
User currently offlineAlexEU From Serbia, joined Oct 2007, 1817 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7926 times:

Is there a list of pax aircraft (flying for pax airlines) which are not welcomed in EU because of noise, pollution etc. ?

Regards

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User currently offlineSandyb123 From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2007, 1109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7891 times:
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I'm not sure about banned aircraft types but there is a central list of banned airlines on the European Union Website:

http://ec.europa.eu/transport/air-ban/pdf/list_en.pdf

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User currently offlineTrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3238 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7824 times:

Non Stage-3 compliant aircraft are not allowed to fly into the EU on a regular basis, although they are allowed to do one-off charters or substitutions. Some examples of affected planes include non-hushkitted 737-200s, 727s and DC-9s plus many Soviet types such as TU-134, TU-154 models except the compliant M variant, IL62 and IL86. The list of banned airlines certainly gets more attention though.

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User currently offlineAlexEU From Serbia, joined Oct 2007, 1817 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 7373 times:



Quoting Trintocan (Reply 2):

That was my question. Aircrafts not airlines.

Quoting Trintocan (Reply 2):
TU-134, TU-154

I thought that they fly to Germany or Scandinavia? Although I am not sure is it on regular basis and if it's M series.

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User currently offlineAmberair732 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 6798 times:

All DC-3's will be banned from passenger flights the EU as of 31st July 2008. There is an exemption which involves some vastly expensive & near impossible modifications. More information on this website:

www.classicflight.com


User currently offlinePylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1573 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks ago) and read 6313 times:

IL-86 as a work horse of Russian charters nevertheless still flies to EU and some other countries (Turkey, Egypt) where it should be banned because of noise restrictions.

Every year it is a matter of negotiations.

As to Europe IL-86 will be flying this summer season to the Adriatic region (Pula, Tivat).
But charter companies are changing the fleet as fast as they can.
So it may be the last summer season.

And right. TU-154M meets all requirements. It flies to Madrid and Oslo and a dozen of other places in EU.


User currently offlineCloudy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5316 times:

In the US, there used to be a list of foreign airports that the US government believed had innadequate security. The list was publically posted in US airports - I believe Athens was on there for a long time. I don't know if such a list still exists - it would be most ironic if it did.

User currently offlineKPHXFlyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 413 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5157 times:



Quoting Cloudy (Reply 6):
In the US, there used to be a list of foreign airports that the US government believed had innadequate security. The list was publically posted in US airports - I believe Athens was on there for a long time. I don't know if such a list still exists - it would be most ironic if it did.

They still post Travel Warnings and Alerts via the US State Department: http://www.travel.state.gov/


User currently offlinePlaneInsomniac From Canada, joined Nov 2007, 678 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5104 times:



Quoting AlexEU (Reply 3):
I thought that they fly to Germany or Scandinavia? Although I am not sure is it on regular basis and if it's M series.

Regards

I know that TU-154s flew into Germany on a (quasi-)regular basis at least until recently. I used to see TU-154s at STR and SXF, in particular in the summer months. I cannot tell whether that is still the case, but I see no reason why that should have changed.


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User currently offlineXtoler From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 953 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4879 times:

Is this ban also for passengers' safety as well as pollution control? It makes sense, and we have a lot of the same rules here Stateside.

Quoting Cloudy (Reply 6):
I believe Athens was on there for a long time. I don't know if such a list still exists - it would be most ironic if it did.

I forgot about Athens. Now that I think about it, are there any US commercial airlines flying into there? I never gave it too much thought. I'm not sure how it is now, but when my wife was stationed in Iraklion she either flew MAC or SAC 135 tanker or Olympic in and out of Greece.



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User currently offlineSFO2SVO From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 399 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4236 times:



Quoting Pylon101 (Reply 5):
IL-86 as a work horse of Russian charters nevertheless still flies to EU and some other countries (Turkey, Egypt) where it should be banned because of noise restrictions.

IL86 my be flying to some places in Eastern Europe and former Yugoslavia - but not to EU destinations. IL96 does but it is compliant, same for Tu-154M and Tu-204.

BTW, AFAIK any aircraft is technically _banned_ from flying to EU because of noise. It is just fees and fines are set so high that they will rule out any commercial operation.
I think there is a photo of (Polish?) government-owned Tu-154B in EU airport in the DB. So one-time flights do happen.



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User currently offlineDc10s2hnl From New Zealand, joined Aug 2006, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4117 times:



Quoting Xtoler (Reply 9):
I forgot about Athens. Now that I think about it, are there any US commercial airlines flying into there?

Maybe the Athens security watch had more to do with its role in '80s airliner bombings and hijackings and possibly sketchier security at the old Hellinikon airport. I don't think security at the brand-new Eleftherios Venizelos is an issue at all.
And yes, Delta, US Airways (seasonal), and Continental all fly to ATH today.


User currently offlineAlexEU From Serbia, joined Oct 2007, 1817 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2803 times:



Quoting Amberair732 (Reply 4):
All DC-3's will be banned from passenger flights the EU as of 31st July 2008. There is an exemption which involves some vastly expensive & near impossible modifications. More information on this website:

wtf !!! Pax DC-3 flights in Europe !


User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2469 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2746 times:

Add non huskitted BAC 1-11, DC8 & 707 to the list too.


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User currently offlineFRAspotter From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2352 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2173 times:



Quoting AlexEU (Reply 12):
wtf !!! Pax DC-3 flights in Europe !

I know a few DC-3s fly charter flights, sight seeing flights etc...



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User currently offlineAlexEU From Serbia, joined Oct 2007, 1817 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2058 times:



Quoting FRAspotter (Reply 14):
I know a few DC-3s fly charter flights, sight seeing flights etc...

according to classic flight, they too will have to get modifications ! But since most are expensive, DC-3 will be even more rare in EU  Angry What a shame.


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