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How Come There Is No 777F?  
User currently offlineEl Al 001 From Israel, joined Oct 1999, 1063 posts, RR: 2
Posted (13 years 1 month 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2046 times:

Hi everyone!

I was just wondering, since the 777 is such a great a/c,
bigger than the M11 and has a greater range (772ER vs. M11), How come Boeing didnt develope yet the 777-200F???

I think that there are so many airlines who could order it, like: SIA, KAL, CPA, and all the other 777 operators!

A 777F version would carry a 75-90 tons of cargo to a 8,500-10,000 km of distance, would'nt it???

What do you think??

Michael  Smile.

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User currently offlineJAL From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 5078 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (13 years 1 month 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1975 times:

I also think it would great idea to develop a B777F.

Maybe Boeing is waiting for the perfect moment to launch a B777F



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User currently offlineKing767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (13 years 1 month 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1952 times:

Of course the 777 is more than capable for a freighter role, but the reason I think Boeing has not yet developed a freighter version is because the market demand is low for a brand new freighter. There are already many good numbers of passanger A300s,DC-10s, and MD-11s, and 747s out there which could be converted to freighters at a much cheaper price. Besides the point, look at how many freighters there are already. Although with the MD-11F out of production, we might now see Boeing turn to a new large capacity freighter (777F) to fill it's place.
The Best, Tom


User currently offlineKLM747 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2001, 669 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (13 years 1 month 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1900 times:

Yes, the 777F ssounds great, I hope Boeing starts making them for the M11F.

KLM747 Big grin


User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 7934 posts, RR: 54
Reply 4, posted (13 years 1 month 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1884 times:

The cargo airlines are only just starting to convert 767s and retire DC8s. The MD11 became a freighter early on in it's life cos it was a piece of sh*t no airline wanted, so they could be bought incredibly cheaply for a reasonably efficient 2-crew aircraft. You could probably get 3 or 4 MD11Fs for the price of a 777F. But the MD11 is an oddity, most freighters are 20 years old - 747 classics, DC8s, 707s, A300B4s (and that's a fairly recent development as well). There are very few A300-600R frieghters (if any), 767F is just starting to happen.

Give it another fifteen or twenty years and there'll be lots.



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User currently offlineKing767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 1 month 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1879 times:

Cedarjet said >>>
"The MD11 became a freighter early on in it's life cos it was a piece of sh*t no airline wanted, so they could be bought incredibly cheaply for a reasonably efficient 2-crew aircraft. You could probably get 3 or 4 MD11Fs for the price of a 777F."

The MD-11 is a piece of shit? Then please go and tell that to China Airlines, China Eastern, EVA, Garuda, JAL, Korean, MAS, Swissair, Thai, Alitalia, City Bird, Finnair, American, Delta, World, FedEx, soon to be UPS, and Varig. Incredibly cheap? I don't think so. MD-11s don't cost penny's, then everyone would be flying these beautys. 3 or 4 11s for the price of a 777? Alot of airlines would have liked that one.

>>>"767F is just starting to happen.

Give it another fifteen or twenty years and there'll be lots."

Just wondering? Were you talking about the MD-11?
-Tom


User currently offlineUSAirways737 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1026 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (13 years 1 month 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1868 times:

I read somewhere that the reason that Boeing has not developed a 777F is because that Boeing wants to sell its 747F only. Think about it, if there is no other option but the 747, cargo airlines will have to buy it which equals more money for Boeing since the 747 costs more than the 777.

User currently offlineTrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3224 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (13 years 1 month 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1846 times:

Given the fact that cargo operators most often gravitate for older planes which could be purchased cheaply and converted and the fact that brand new all-cargo planes are relatively small sellers, it does not make sense for Boeing to offer 2 all-cargo types (that is why they ditched the MD11F). In-house competition for such a small market is not a justifiable state of affairs.

Trintocan.



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User currently offlineAeroGlobeAir7 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 586 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (13 years 1 month 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1818 times:

Boeing did actually design (or maybe it was create) a variant with a side cargo door on it during the production of the 777-200, but I don't believe they ever put it on the market. I would like to see a cargo version of it, especially in Lufthansa or UAL Cargo colors.

User currently offlineRed Panda From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2000, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (13 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1799 times:

I also believe that Boeing just want to sell their 744F instead of 777F. Since there is already 744F, there is no means to build 777F to compete with 744F. No company would develop two substitutable products at the same time.

regards,
r panda


User currently offlineEarly Air From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 611 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (13 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1796 times:

It is too early on. Most of the owvers now convert old aircraft. Boeing knows that they will not sell a lot of the 777F's. U guarantee you will see then in the next decade or so.

Rgds,
Early Air


User currently offlineFDXmech From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3251 posts, RR: 35
Reply 11, posted (13 years 1 month 4 weeks ago) and read 1790 times:

Just a few examples of new aircraft purchased by cargo airlines.

727-200 Fedex
747-400 Atlas, Polar, Cargolux
757-200 UPS
767-300 UPS

DC10-30 Fedex
MD11 Fedex, Lufthansa

A300-600 Fedex, UPS
A380 Fedex (LOI)

Plus more I'm sure.


Cederjet,

MD11, cheap and a piece of s**t?

Well, s**t perhaps in your opinion. Certainly not FDX who was a launch customer. I guess its Lufthansa's policy to fly s**t now as well as such top notch carriers like UPS. This is a revelation, thanks.

Cheap, 3 or 4 MD11's for a 777F. Wow, next time a buy a car, you can talk to the salesman for me.

Red Panda,

I disagree,

A330 vs A340
B747-400 vs 777



You're only as good as your last departure.
User currently offlineUPS Pilot From United States of America, joined May 1999, 871 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1780 times:

There will be one especially since Airbus is developing an A330 freighter.

User currently offlineAKelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2162 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1752 times:

Could it be also that Boeing has enough orders for the 777 on hand to keep it busy for the next few years? If the 777F were launched today, I guarantee the first examples wouldn't be delivered for at least five years.

User currently offlineSxmarbury33 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 445 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1742 times:

I kind of have to agree with cederjet on the passenger version of the MD-11 because a lot of big airline names have sold them off like delta american and a lot of other airlines have said publicly that they are not happy with the aircraft due to range i think. It seems tho that the MD-11 has found its niche as a freighter and Fed Ex is buying them up like mad from the unhappy airlines.

User currently offlineDatamanA340 From South Korea, joined Dec 2000, 547 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1728 times:

Although sales of MD-11F is almost ended, but 777 is too big, so, as USAirways737 stated, 777F would disturb 747F. I don't believe 777F would have such long range, but 773F can carry almost much as 744F. And first of all, 777 is more expensive than 744. (as Boeing's list prices.)

But I believe there must be something like 777combi, so pax and cargo plane with both 767-like capacity and more range, and the greatest, new and sharp image.


User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 7934 posts, RR: 54
Reply 16, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1720 times:

The MD11 is unquestionably a piece of sh*t. No other modern airliner has rolled inverted after touchdown TWICE (or at all) - FedEx and Mandarin. Passenger airlines can't get rid of it fast enough (Swissair have officially said they are looking forward to the retirement of the type...then again they would, one of theirs crashed after an electrical fire in the cockpit lest we forget).

The reason it is a popular freighter is because there are loads of second-hand examples going very cheaply. It makes sense for a cargo airline cos it has modern avionics and comes at a fraction of the cost of other modern airliners because passenger airlines don't want to fly something that has the same safety record as the 707. Sure FedEx like it, it has a lot of capacity, has a 2-crew cockpit etc., but it's acquisition cost isn't low cos the airlines prematurely retiring it are feeling generous, it's because they can't sell it for any more $$. And the reason for that is cos it's (all together now) a piece of sh*t.



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