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User currently offlineAQ737 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 612 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 11306 times:

Is HA still operating its spare 767 interisland? If so, is it assigned to specific flights or random flights? Can someone provide a list of flights it operates? Thanks,

Aq737

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User currently offlineAloha73G From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2362 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 11244 times:

Yes, it flies 3 or 4 roundtrips to Maui each day, most days.

The flight numbers are 12XX

HA 1216 8:25am 9:10am
HA 1215 10:20am 11:05am
HA 1226 12:05pm 12:50pm
HA 1225 2:05pm 2:50pm
HA 1236 3:50pm 4:35pm
HA 1235 5:45pm 6:30pm
HA 1246 6:40pm 7:25pm *only operates some days
HA 1245 8:35pm 9:10pm *only operates some days

According to HAL HA is close to acquiring another 767 which will be dedicated to the interisland operation (since it will not be common with HA's other 763s) until more 717s (or something similar) can be found and the new 767 is refurbished and placed into long-haul service.

-Aloha!

[Edited 2008-05-11 23:01:18]


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User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4503 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 11143 times:

I sure wish I was living in Hawaii right now, I'd be riding that baby weekly.

User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7496 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 10862 times:

Wow,a 767 for island hops! That will sure use up the cycles quick. It must be easier than using 2 or 3 717's,though.


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User currently offlineHAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2561 posts, RR: 53
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 10826 times:

Quoting United_Fan (Reply 3):
It must be easier than using 2 or 3 717's,though.

No, not really. But since we don't have two or three spare 717's, that is the reason we're using the widebody on a temporary basis.

I've never worked on our interisland aircraft, but later this month I'll get my first taste as I'm going to do one day of the 767 HNL-OGG trips. It's going to be interesting - I thought 767's had just one or two landings a day in them. 

Our current 767 interisland schedule is:

flt 1206 lv. HNL 0625 arr. OGG 0710
flt 1205 lv. OGG 0755 arr. HNL 0840
flt 1216 lv. HNL 0940 arr. OGG 1025
flt 1215 lv. OGG 1110 arr. HNL 1155
flt 1226 lv. HNL 1255 arr. OGG 1340
flt 1225 lv. OGG 1425 arr. HNL 1510
flt 1236 lv. HNL 1610 arr. OGG 1655
flt 1235 lv. OGG 1740 arr. HNL 1825

HAL

[Edited 2008-05-12 05:25:57]


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User currently offlineChinook747 From Canada, joined Mar 2007, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8662 times:



Quoting HAL (Reply 4):
flt 1206 lv. HNL 0625 arr. OGG 0710
flt 1205 lv. OGG 0755 arr. HNL 0840
flt 1216 lv. HNL 0940 arr. OGG 1025
flt 1215 lv. OGG 1110 arr. HNL 1155
flt 1226 lv. HNL 1255 arr. OGG 1340
flt 1225 lv. OGG 1425 arr. HNL 1510
flt 1236 lv. HNL 1610 arr. OGG 1655
flt 1235 lv. OGG 1740 arr. HNL 1825

Wow..I just took a look in my GDS and I had no idea these flights were operated by a 767. I am going to Hawaii this July and I think I will book a trip to Maui just to ride this bird


User currently offlineHNL-Jack From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 819 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8456 times:

And the word is, the additional interisland aircraft are not too far away.


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User currently offlineFlyingClrs727 From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 733 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8456 times:



Quoting United_Fan (Reply 3):
Wow,a 767 for island hops! That will sure use up the cycles quick. It must be easier than using 2 or 3 717's,though.

I bet most 763's don't come even close to their limits on number of cyles, and the non-ER 763's aren't really wanted by lots of airlines anyway.


User currently offlinePohakuloa From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 418 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8355 times:



Quoting HNL-Jack (Reply 6):
And the word is, the additional interisland aircraft are not too far away.

i admit ive been giddy about whats to come in this light...im such a child at times!! LoL!!



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User currently offlineSpruceMoose From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7991 times:



Quoting Pohakuloa (Reply 8):
i admit ive been giddy about whats to come in this light

More 717s? Or something else?

-SpruceMoose



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User currently offlineJaybird From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 7819 times:
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I for one am REALLY thankful Hawaiian has been running the 767s on the Kahului runs. It's been difficult getting neighbor island seats at times - Maui is usually available because of the extra lift from 767s. Lihue, Hilo and Kona seats are usually impossible at the last minute. I always check Sabre first before booking Hawaiian online - sometimes there are a few seats available - and for some reason they only show-up on Hawaiian's corporate site if you search one-way. I've told everyone in my office to plan 30 to 60 days out now instead of waiting until the last minute. And they know I won't book anyone on go! for any reason. Hope those new planes - whatever type they are - arrive soon .. thanks HAWAIIAN!

User currently offlineSoxfan From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 865 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 7813 times:

Can the 763 fly faster between the two islands than the 717? Or is 45 minutes the norm for all the flights (being so short a distance I can't imagine how much faster the 763 would really be).

Thanks!  Smile



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User currently offlineAlexInWa From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 7798 times:

When does HA get those "Other" wide-body aircraft they ordered?


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User currently offlineB4REAL From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2644 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 7781 times:

I remember back in the day with DL's LAX-OGG flight you could hop OGG-LAX on the L10 TriStar. That would have been an awesome short hop.


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User currently offlineSkibum9 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7700 times:



Quoting B4REAL (Reply 13):
I remember back in the day with DL's LAX-OGG flight you could hop OGG-LAX on the L10 TriStar. That would have been an awesome short hop

Many mainline airlines had to do this as OGG's runway is not long enough for some birds to go out fully loaded back to the mainline. NWA runs its B753 down to Kona before heading back to Seattle.



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User currently offlineHNL-Jack From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 819 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7609 times:



Quoting SpruceMoose (Reply 9):
More 717s? Or something else?

As I understand it, 717's and MD-80's were considered. Don't know which type was selected.

Quoting AlexInWa (Reply 12):
When does HA get those "Other" wide-body aircraft they ordered?

I believe the first of the new A-330-200's don't arrive until 2010.



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User currently offlineJoeljack From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 937 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7573 times:

I bet a 767 is more economical than a 717 on this route....it would be interesting to see the numbers. For example, how much gas per seat does each use on the route?

User currently offlineJe89_w From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 2361 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7505 times:
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Quoting Soxfan (Reply 11):
Can the 763 fly faster between the two islands than the 717? Or is 45 minutes the norm for all the flights (being so short a distance I can't imagine how much faster the 763 would really be).

Flying a B763 from HNL-OGG might shave off the flight time by a grand total of a minute or so; there really isn't much of a difference on an 18 minute flight!  Smile

However . . . the total time you're actually on the plane is longer on the B763. Why? Since those B767s park at the interisland terminal at HNL, they must be towed out to the main taxiway (taxiway A and L intersection area) for start, and towed into the gate after shutting down on that taxiway. It adds another 5 to 10 minutes or so on the plane!


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9643 posts, RR: 52
Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7491 times:



Quoting Joeljack (Reply 16):
I bet a 767 is more economical than a 717 on this route....it would be interesting to see the numbers. For example, how much gas per seat does each use on the route?

A large plane is almost always more economical on a seat mile basis. If HA can fill the planes like I assume they can, then 767s definitely can help.

717s are quite efficient, but 767s will beat them any day if they are full at the same fare. 717s though can compete with 737s. The 717 has about the same seat mile cost as a 737-800 on a short route like ones in Hawaii.



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User currently offlineSoxfan From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 865 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7455 times:



Quoting Je89_w (Reply 17):
Flying a B763 from HNL-OGG might shave off the flight time by a grand total of a minute or so; there really isn't much of a difference on an 18 minute flight

This I figured...

Quoting Je89_w (Reply 17):
However . . . the total time you're actually on the plane is longer on the B763. Why? Since those B767s park at the interisland terminal at HNL, they must be towed out to the main taxiway (taxiway A and L intersection area) for start, and towed into the gate after shutting down on that taxiway. It adds another 5 to 10 minutes or so on the plane!

...but this part I didn't! That's interesting to know; it also probably takes longer to board and de-board the 763 of both passengers and luggage. I'm sure the comfort level is a bit different than on the 717, but if someone wants to have the quickest (commercial) commute between islands, I guess the 717 is the way to go.  Wink

Thanks for the information!  Smile



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User currently offlineAirnerd From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 255 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7442 times:



Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 18):
717s are quite efficient, but 767s will beat them any day if they are full at the same fare. 717s though can compete with 737s. The 717 has about the same seat mile cost as a 737-800 on a short route like ones in Hawaii.

Lufthansa has used their A300s on very short hops within Germany (FRA-HAM for example) for years. I wonder if HA may find they learn to like running a few 763s on interislands every day...


User currently offlineHawaiian717 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3195 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7406 times:

This actually isn't the first time Hawaiian has done things like this; towards the end of the DC-9 era before the 717s started showing up, the DC-9s would sometimes have mechanical issues and Hawaiian would press a DC-10 into inter-island service. At least once, my parents flew a -10 ITO-HNL.

I've done the LAX-OGG-HNL flight on a Delta L-1011. I actually stayed on the plane in Maui, and the first officer took a photo of me in his seat. I've also done OGG-HNL-LAX on a Leisure Air DC-10 and LAX-LIH-HNL on an Omni Air International DC-10.


User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7496 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7237 times:



Quoting Hawaiian717 (Reply 21):
LAX-LIH-HNL on an Omni Air International DC-10.

So that's why I saw DC10 parking stripes at the gate when I was there . BTW,I loved LIH and Kauia ,one of the best places on earth.



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User currently offlineB4REAL From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2644 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7196 times:



Quoting Skibum9 (Reply 14):
Many mainline airlines had to do this as OGG's runway is not long enough for some birds to go out fully loaded back to the mainline. NWA runs its B753 down to Kona before heading back to Seattle.

DL was running SLC-OGG-SLC on the 764 a few years back, or has the runway been extended?



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User currently offlineHNL-Jack From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 819 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7024 times:



Quoting United_Fan (Reply 22):
So that's why I saw DC10 parking stripes at the gate when I was there . BTW,I loved LIH and Kauia ,one of the best places on earth.

Prior to UA, AA & HA relieving themselves of the DC-10's, they were the primary aircraft used between the mainland and OGG.



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25 B6FA4ever : does NW still run the flights like that? both UA and HA run 767's to the mainland from OGG nonstop (UA to LAX/SFO, HA to SEA/PDX/SAN). does NW still
26 Skibum9 : They did run the 764 to SLC, however they had to run the 763 to ATL as there wasn't enough runway to get the 764 off the ground without serious weigh
27 Post contains links United_Fan : UA does OGG-Kona-ORD with a 777. The enviromentalists will never let them extend OGG's r/w. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL3
28 DFW13L : AA has a 763 OGG-DFW and used to have a 763 OGG-ORD. It also has 763s OGG-LAX. Once I flew a CO 764 OGG-IAH as well. The runway is 7000' or maybe 6995
29 Pohakuloa : I remember being on one of those ITO-HNL flights on the DC-10 while commuting home from schooling. it was a welcome change and at that point in time
30 Rjm717 : Here's an interesting tid bit of information for you.. The last operator of the particular aircraft (763ER) being considered by HA was Air Canada. Due
31 Aloha717200 : It's a bit deeper than that. The real reason is that the residents of Maui don't want to see the island become the next Oahu, and fear that extending
32 DLflynhayn : Maui is already Oahu!! gotta go to Kauai or the bigisland to see real Hawaii,even better Molokai!
33 Ikramerica : The North Shore felt like real Hawaii to me when I was there, at least as much as Kona does. Actually more so, since Kona has more hotels and that Wa
34 DLflynhayn : Kona might have just a little more hotels but very spread out dats why its called the big island,I grew up in the islands and have family on just abo
35 Ikramerica : North Shore has a grand total of 1 resort, so you can't spread it out any more than that. But hey, having vacationed at both recently, I have the "to
36 DLflynhayn : If ur talking North Shore then the bigisland has a grand total of 0 hotels!! I believe the closest hotel is the Mauna Kea Resort which is still on da
37 Pohakuloa : off topic gents, but i believe he is refering to the resort with the honu in the name (no free plugs here!)
38 B767400ER : Wouldn't it be great if they could hop that 767 to ITO too?? I'd love that. For you veteran HA employees, if you saw some UH interns walking around o
39 Ikramerica : Yep, that one. Stayed there in February, so I'm pretty sure I know where I was, even if I'm not a native... But he's talking about North Shore of the
40 Thegeek : Don't National Jet Systems or Qantaslink have 3 717s parked in ADL? Unless they are doing something like mining charters that I don't know about.
41 UPS757Pilot : We fly a 767 HNL-OGG-KOA-SAN/LAX/ONT sometimes it's HNL-OGG-SAN/ONT.
42 N659AA : WOW! That's one way to keep current!
43 HNL-Jack : Expect an announcement shortly.
44 Aloha717200 : The north shore of East Maui despite its fame (Hana Hwy) is still very much like old Hawaii. I don't think anything's changed in Nahiku in a very lon
45 717fan : Any news? Thanks
46 Ikramerica : He meant shortly in Island time. No hurry, no worry brother.
47 Pualani : Our management is still trying to get favorable lease rates for the availible 717s. The backup plan right now is 5 MD-82s that they have found and th
48 ANCFlyer : AS birds? Yup . . .
49 UPS707 : You sure can spot the interisland 767s on take off though. I spent a couple hours spotting today at the end of 8R and everyone lifted off around the s
50 HNL-Jack : According to a HA corporate office employee, it's MD-83's, would not identify the airline or the quantity. Still trying to negotiate for 717's.
51 HAL : It looks like the 717 deal is good to go. According to 'highly placed sources', it's four 717's coming here starting in September. They are ex-Impulse
52 AQ737 : Exciting! Will HA be taking over more of the AQ gates. I've noticed there's some overflow down toward the AQ side, but will the "satellite" of the int
53 Pohakuloa : great news for sure!! when the additional birds come in, id love to see a shot of the line of tails in HNL for the RON at the interisland terminal! I'
54 HA_DC9 : Seems to me that there is still some tension between Boeing and HA. Maybe the widebody switch to Airbus also added fuel to the fire. All the same, gl
55 HAL : If you're talking about the recorded announcements that match up with words on the video screens (i.e. "Will passenger (insert name) please return to
56 HALFA : Hey HAL! They are probably referring to the canned welcome and inflight announcements that we use on our inter-island 717 flights. I'm not a big fan
57 Ikramerica : 4 x 717s should add plenty of capacity! That's about 5000 additional seats a day throughout the islands, or double what the 767 gives them. I would im
58 HAL : I hadn't thought about that one, but you're probably right. I'm rarely on the 717's, so it didn't cross my mind. The first time I did hear that one t
59 Ha763 : They wouldn't be able to use the jetways with the CRJ. The jetways installed were not built for CRJs and do not go down low enough. The height they a
60 Post contains links and images N747PA : Is this it? View Large View MediumPhoto © Christopher Weyer - AirTeamImages
61 Orion737 : Is a 763 really suited to such very short inter island flights?? It seems a high capacity jet for short hauls, laike the A300 or the 310 has been a ne
62 HNL-Jack : I'm sure it's only temporary until the 717's arrive. HA needs widebodies badly for their mainland and international flights.
63 EXAAUADL : Its gonna be a lot of wear and tear on that 767........also it will be very costly to operate unless those flights are full
64 HAL : No, the aircraft in question is ex-Air Canada. It's a temporary stopgap measure until we can get the additional 717's on line. Then it will go to sup
65 UA772IAD : UA also sends 777s to OGG during the busy season (from SFO). The ORD-OGG flight though stops in KOA before heading back to ORD. I believe the 767 OGG
66 Ikramerica : True, the OGG-HNL route can easily support a widebody with AQ out of the picture. Are the 12XX flight numbers in the system the current 767 flights?
67 Aloha73G : Correct. The flights are numbered as follows: ....from morning (HA1206) to night (HA1256) 1206/1205 1216/1215 1226/1225 1236/1235 1246/1245 1256/1255
68 AQ737 : Is the 767 still on the interisland routes? I'm assuming they're rotating different aircrafts in to ensure that no single 767 racks up too many cycles
69 Post contains links Geardown : It's official: Press Release Hawaiian Airlines has announced that it will expand its interisland fleet with the addition of four Boeing 717-200 aircra
70 AQ737 : So do we know what condition they will enter service? How is the 763 working on interisland service?
71 Alaska737 : So would it be fair to say that no inter-island 763's will be operating in mid-late December? I would love to fly on one when Im there.
72 Post contains links Hellogorgeous : It looks like HA may bring one more 767 into service soon. The N-Number for Aircraft 595 was reserved 3JUN. http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/nn
73 SANFan : Question for you HA-folks: given all this a/c acquisition news breaking here lately, may I assume that we will perhaps see no interruption in San Die
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