WINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2781 posts, RR: 75 Posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 10537 times:
AIRBUS A330/A340 Thread
I have now updated this thread so that all the members can be kept up to date with whats happening with the A330/A340 family.
AIRBUS A330-200
TAM x 4
Hawaiian Air x 6
Libyan Airlines x 4
CIT x 5
China Southern x 10
Tunisair 3*(pending)
CAAC China x 40*(pending)
Group Marsans x 5*(pending)
Total Firm: 29 Total Pending: 48
AIRBUS A330-200F
BOC Aviation x 5
Matlinpatterson x 6
ACT Airlines x 2*(pending)
Total Firm: 11 Total Pending: 2
AIRBUS A330-200 (MRTT/TANKER)
Royal Saudi Air Force x 3**
United Arab Emirates Air Force x 3**
Royal Australian Air Force x 5**
Royal Air Force x 14 **
** Airbus does not book military orders with civilian orders. This makes it particularly hard to keep track of what has been firmed up and what has not.
AIRBUS A330-300
Air AsiaX x 10
Aer Lingus x 6
Finnair 1
Total Firm: 17 Total Pending: 0
AIRBUS A340-300/500/600
Total Firm: 0 Total Pending: 0
A330/A340 DELIVERIES 2008
JANUARY:
Air China A332
Cathay Pacific (ILFC) A333
Qantas (CIT) A332
Qatar A333
Lufthansa b]A333[/b]
FEBRUARY:
Jet Airways A332
Tap Portugal A332 x 2
Qantas (CIT) A332
KLM (ILFC) A332
Air China A332
MARCH:
Qatar A333
Lufthansa A333 x 2
Air China A332
Hainan (ILFC) A332
China Southern A333
LTU ( ILFC) A332
Lufthansa A346
APRIL:
Tap Portugal A332
China Eastern A332
Qatar A333
Hainan (ILFC) A332
Cathay Pacific (ILFC) A333
Lufthansa A346
AIRBUS A330/A340 BACKLOG April 2008
* The backlog does not include pending orders.
AIRBUS A330-200
Airbus Executive & Private Jets 5
Aercap x 29
Afriqiyah x 3
Air China x 4
Air Mauritius x 1
Avianca x 10
China Southern Airlines x 10
CIT Leasing x 15
Egyptair x 5
Etihad x 2
Group Marsans x 12
Hawaiian Airlines x 6
Hong Kong Airlines x 20
ILFC x 2
Jet Airways x 9
Kingfisher x 15
KLM x 2
Libyan Airlines x 4
Middle East Airlines (MEA) x 4
Oman Air x 2
Pegasus Aviation x 6
Qantas x 3
TAM x 8
TAP Portugal x 1
US Airways x 25
TOTAL: 203 frames.
AIRBUS A330-200F
Aircastle x 15
Avion Aircraft Trading x 8
BOC x 5
Etihad x 3
Flyington x 12
Guggenheim x 6
Intrepid x 20[i]
Matlin Patterson x 6
MNG Cargo x 2
TOTAL: 77 frames.
AIRBUS A330-300
Aer Lingus x 6
Aercap x 1
Air Caraibes x 3
Air AsiaX x 25
Cathay Pacific Airlines x 8
China Eastern Airlines x 3
China Southern Airlines x 5
CIT Leasing x 1
Etihad x 3
Finnair x 8
Garuda Indonesia x 3
ILFC x 2
Lufthansa Airlines x 2
Oman Air x 3
Singapore Airlines x 19
Swiss International Air Lines x 9
Thai Airways International x 8
TOTAL: 109 frames.
AIRBUS A340-300
Airbus Executive & Private Jets 1
Finnair x 2
TOTAL: 3 frames.
AIRBUS A340-500
Airbus Executive & Private Jets 2
Kingfisher x 10
TOTAL: 12 frames
AIRBUS A340-600
Airbus Executive & Private Jets 1
Air Canada x 3
Etihad x 5
Iberia x 3
Lufthansa Airlines x 5
Thai International x 1
Virgin Atlantic x 6
Breiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1381 posts, RR: 3 Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10457 times:
Quoting WINGS (Thread starter): ** Airbus does not book military orders with civilian orders. This makes it particularly hard to keep track of what has been firmed up and what has not.
WINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2781 posts, RR: 75 Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10449 times:
Quoting AustrianZRH (Reply 1):
Any idea what will become of these? Conversion to 330s or even 350s? Though I don't like it I don't think they will ever take them
The most likely outcome will be a conversion to the A32X family.
Correct, although we are still not given any information as to what is firmed up and what is not.
In regards to the USAF KC-45 order I will wait until the final outcome before listing that order, which for the time being is only for 4 airframes + 75 options.
WINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2781 posts, RR: 75 Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 10226 times:
One pleasant surprise that has popped up is Etihad's conversion of two A332's into the A333's. This now leaves Etihad with a total of 3 A333's on order.
CPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4659 posts, RR: 34 Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10113 times:
Quoting WINGS (Reply 3): The most likely outcome will be a conversion to the A32X family.
It is possible that AC could use these as leverage to get a discount on four or five A321s. However it is more likely that they will just sit in the Airbus order books until they finally write them off. AC doesn't owe any penalties for cancelling these A346s, and as you can well imagine with a nice shiny fleet of 77Ls and 77Ws, not likely they will need them.
EPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 968 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10110 times:
Thanks Wings for recreating this thread with the latest numbers on order and deliveries of this beautiful family of aircraft. It is highly remarkable that the family continues to sell so well. And with the current market situation and the possible uncertainties about the B787 delivery dates, we might see some more orders in the near future. Farnborough 2008 will let us know I guess how much more new orders we can expect this year.
The success story of this fine programme, although already 15 years running, is not over yet, far from it. The same goes for the B777 as well which is around out there for about 13 years now. Both programmes enjoyed updated and larger versions over the last couple of years which have done pretty well in the market.
We can be sure to see them around, including newly ordered ones, for quite a few years to come, even though the obvious successors B787 and A350-XWB are already being sold in large numbers for a couple of years! I for one am pleased about that as I am pleased about the sales of the B787 and the A350-XWB. All sales are good for the industry as a whole!
I am definitively looking forward to seeing the first SU A330 (AerCap). Should become reality this fall.
Quoting WINGS (Reply 4): One pleasant surprise that has popped up is Etihad's conversion of two A332's into the A333's. This now leaves Etihad with a total of 3 A333's on order. Smile
Which will look great in their colours. Like all planes. I hope they'll get the 747-8, too, then we can see A345, A346, 747-8, and A380 in EY livery. Four-haulers still rule. (Yes, the flamesuit).
KennyK From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 411 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9936 times:
Thanks WINGS, Excellent
Interesting that ILFC have only 4 A330s left to be delivered, I wonder if they might order more soon to expand their portfolio. Looks like the end of the line is drawing close for the A340 family whilst the A330 is proving to be the right jet at the right time.
I don't suppose there is a short list of what has been built so far anywhere even better a list of current operators and numbers?
EPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 968 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9903 times:
Quoting KennyK (Reply 9): I don't suppose there is a short list of what has been built so far anywhere even better a list of current operators and numbers?
I think on the Airbus website there is a link to an Excel style overview of orders and deliveries per Airbus aircraft type. You will find all you want to know about the customers of A330-A340 family there.
Mk777 From United States, joined Oct 2006, 1126 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9855 times:
Thanks for the update. its very informative.
I didn't remember IT had 15 A332's on order, i thought they were stuck with the number 10. Now only if they order the A346, they would have the entire family of airbus in their fleet.
Out of the 5 pending orders of the A346 by EY, is one of them to replace the a/c that was written off??
Maybe 9W will order more A332!!
What about AI/IC??? Its about time they think of replacing their rickety A310 with the A330's. A333 will serve them well to middle-east and South east asia, IMO where currently their A310 fly to.
FAEDC3 From Ecuador, joined Jun 2007, 124 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 9702 times:
Great compilation as usual WINGS.... thanks!
I didn't know that ILFC would have such a few frames left to receive. Now that the market is growing and 787 is late, interim lift would be needed. Perhaps a new ILFC order is something to come soon right?
KennyK From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 411 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 9605 times:
ILFC have, according to Airbus figures 609 aircraft on order of which 542 have been delivered. Of the 67 aircraft yet to be delivered 10 are A380s due from 2013 with 20 A350s due from around a similar date. Only 4 A330s are outstanding which leaves 33 A320 family deliveries to go.
As for Boeings, there are orders for 67 788-8s, 7 787-9s these were due to be delivered from 2010, a slip to the right of 2 years is most probable here. There are only 6 777-300ERs due too.
Who wants to place bets on a good sized ILFC order at Farnborough for A330s and 777s to fill in the gap until the 787s and A350s come on line.?
Scouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 2735 posts, RR: 6 Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9412 times:
Quoting KennyK (Reply 17): ILFC have, according to Airbus figures 609 aircraft on order of which 542 have been delivered. Of the 67 aircraft yet to be delivered 10 are A380s due from 2013 with 20 A350s due from around a similar date. Only 4 A330s are outstanding which leaves 33 A320 family deliveries to go.
Aren't MSN025 & MSN028 - to be deliverd to EK next year, ILFC frames?
Parapente From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 435 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7881 times:
The A330 is prooving to be a remarkable plane. Reading another thread on the 787 and weight issues it seems they got just right. Now that the 350 is launched I guess that is the end of development for the aircraft. Although I note that the -800 is not the first off the blocks.It would be nice to see how this aircraft performed with bleed 787./748 engines ,but I guess we will never see it.
Teme82 From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 710 posts, RR: 0 Reply 25, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 7617 times:
Quoting Finnaviation (Reply 24): Who would order four engined thirsty and weak 343 for private use?
Perhaps some Saudi who didn't like fuel guzzling MD11....
I have no idea who has ordered it but it is in the backlog.
Flying high and low
26 WINGS: When it comes to fuel burn the A343E is actually very similar to the 772E. It also comes with a lower price tag, which will go a very long way to pay
27 Jdevora: Am I mistaken or for private use will be easier to have a four engined plane for avoid all the tight regulations for achieve ETOPS? Cheers JD
28 ConcordeBoy: Beautiful! ...too bad a far-superior payload/range profile tends to do the same for the T7, in a more competitive manner I might add. Considering tha
29 WINGS: Well at least you are honest about your opinions. Please do explain to me how exactly this will be relevant for the A343 VIP ? Regards, Wings
30 Jdevora: Ok, My understanding was that you don't get ETOPS certification just by having an ETOPS capable plane but that the Airline had to follow much more st
31 Jdevora: I just saw the phrase in the 1st quarter result EADS' Q1 2008 results reflect ongoing solid underlying performance and favourable seasonal effects Do
32 ConcordeBoy: ...indeed, which are again mostly related to safety, not routing. Where's the issue here?
33 Jdevora: I was thinking that the added costs involved in those strict procedures might not pay off in a lower usage scenario. Noting to do with routing indeed
34 ConcordeBoy: What "procedures" specifically? ...that, and do you realize that many major carriers such as LH and EK employ ETOPS-level mtx on their 4holers as wel
35 Jdevora: To be honest.... I don't have a clue!!!! I only have "A.net knowledge" that some small airlines don't have ETOPS certification and I assume that ther
36 Breiz: Slightly off subject, but still about A340: Skyliner News reports that A340-642 MSN 731 EC-JOH of Iberia started to be scrapped at Quito on 02 may 08.
37 Viscount724: People with enough money to buy that type of aircraft for private use usually don't have to worry about paying for the fuel, and the number of hours
38 N14AZ: ... and now even in full colours (OK, white is no colour) and with titles: http://www.pictaero.com/en/pictures/picture,11568
39 Scouseflyer: Is there any pics anywhere of the scrapping? That also had be thinking - does anyone know if the A346 for EY that got "bent" last year is the younges
40 WINGS: Something interesting has just popped into my mind. Airbus currently has a total of 927 orders for the A330. A330-200 ( 502), A330-200F (77) A330-300
41 ConcordeBoy: The A330 deserves it, it's one heck of an aircraft. One might wonder would it not have already achieved this if Airbus had earlier pushed its current
42 Heavierthanair: G´day I love the "Democratic" and "Republic" bits written on the plane. " target=_blank>http://www.pictaero.com/en/pictures/...11568 Likely those are
43 WINGS: One more order that will certainly hit the books with next months update. Gulf Air orders 35 Airbus single aisle widebody aircraft 28 May 2008 http://
44 Larshjort: I wouldn't want to be on one of those I would love to see SK to get another 340, but the plans´to aquire one have been scrapped
45 Mk777: How many A332 does 9W have on order??? How many have been delivered so far?? Are there plans to order more??
46 Scbriml: They've ordered 15 directly from Airbus, of which 6 have been delivered. I believe they're also leasing a couple from ILFC.
47 Mk777: Thanks so much, i think #7 VT-JWM was delivered today, there is an article about it. i just saw it on the Indian aviation thread. http://www1.economi
48 WINGS: Well Airbus and the A330 program are sure being kept busy with the recent streak of new orders from ''new'' customers. Air One orders A350s and A330s
49 Chiad: Thanks Wings How many orders does the A330 have so far this year?
50 Asiaflyer: Sounds like SV has placed firm orders direct with Airbus and Boeing, but some of the planes will be purchased by the leasing company direct from the
51 WINGS: Airbus have updated their oder sheet for May 2008 with the following additions. Lufthansa 2 x A333's MTAD (RAF) 14 x A332's (Tanker/MRTT) Regards, Win
52 WINGS: For those interested, the 787 currently has an advantage of only 6 orders vs the A330 family. 787 = 79 orders (2008) A330 = 73 orders (2008) Regards,
53 EA772LR: Well maybe because you can't get your hands on a 787 if you ordered one now until 2017-2019.....or maybe because the A330 is a really great aircraft
54 Scbriml: I appreciate neither has been booked by Airbus yet, but the Gulf Air and Air One orders actually tip the balance nicely in favour of the A330!
55 WINGS: Including those two orders will take the number up to 105 frames. Then we also have the other pending orders that has yet to hit the books. (or maybe
56 Scbriml: Since all the numbers on the spreadsheet "add up", and given that the "Airbus Executive & Private Customers" listing for A330-200s increased by 14 fr
57 Breiz: Yes, MSN 951 was ferried TLS-SIN-BNE as EC-333 in primer. To be put to tanker standard by Qantas.
58 Scbriml: Further research shows that the 5 RAAF A330MRTTs moved from being listed as "Australian Defence Force" in January 2006 to "Royal Australian Air Force
59 Breiz: I you look at the latest "Orders and Deliveries" list, you see that the finally placed RAF order in listed as MTAD. And yes, the Airbus Press Departm
60 PM: Have I missed something or is that 'out of the blue'? Anyway, that makes 17 x A333 for LH now?
61 Breiz: Dono if you missed something, but 10 in Oct 02 + 5 in Oct 06 and now 2 in May 08 that makes 17 indeed.
62 PM: I just mean that the order was never announced on the Airbus website. I wonder why that happens sometimes. Surely another repeat order from a top air
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