Quote: Airbus has confirmed a new round of delays to the A380 programme that will affect deliveries at least this year and next year.
The manufacturer says in a statement that it has “completed the A380 programme review and is now informing customers about changes to its delivery schedule”.
It says it now plans for 12 deliveries this year, rather than 13 as previously expected, and 21 next year, instead of 25...........
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Burkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 814 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (1 month 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 10524 times:
Either Airbus manages to find an airline that is happy to shift 5 birds backwards, or they come 2 months later - nothing anybody would use to cancel ( but to ask for money be sure ).
Slz396 From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 1889 posts, RR: 9 Reply 5, posted (1 month 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 10333 times:
Thinking about compensation, I don't know if airlines will be able to do so?
I remember that when Boeing announced the first delay of the 787, it was delayed by 3 months and it specified this was still within contractual terms. Also, the first 6 month delay of the A380 still met the contractual terms and no compensations were due.
Now, it is likely that when Airbus settled with its customers, they've reset the counters to zero, so that this time, I am not sure they can even claim something for just 2 extra months of waiting. Regardless, it should be only small money really.
Looks like a very modest change in the delivery schedule, announced well ahead (more than a year). Kudos to Airbus for being so open with it. Boeing is still in state of denial as to their production ramp-up mess and the consequences it will have for all the customers lined up after ANA's first 787.
Astuteman From United Kingdom (England), joined Jan 2005, 4283 posts, RR: 63 Reply 6, posted (1 month 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 10307 times:
Quoting Burkhard (Reply 3): Either Airbus manages to find an airline that is happy to shift 5 birds backwards, or they come 2 months later - nothing anybody would use to cancel
Of course the unanswered exam question is the plan for 2010 and onward.....
Quote: Airbus is estimating that ramp-up snags with the A380 will postpone deliveries by two-and-a-half to three months, which the airframer is attributing to delays in adapting to new serial production techniques.
Scouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 2191 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (1 month 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 9783 times:
Quoting Aviationbuff (Reply 9): Quote:
Airbus is estimating that ramp-up snags with the A380 will postpone deliveries by two-and-a-half to three months, which the airframer is attributing to delays in adapting to new serial production techniques.
Which corresponds well with how far MSN026 (the first of the new wave planes) was behind its target for power-on
Col From United States, joined Nov 2003, 1273 posts, RR: 10 Reply 9, posted (1 month 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 9686 times:
[quote=Slz396,reply=5]Especially when put into perspective of the 787; that plane is 'just '15 months late (based on EIS), yet key customers like ILFC are talking about receiving their planes with a 27+ month delay....
Wow, 5 posts and Boeing is in on an Airbus topic!!
Sad to hear, we need more 380's replacing the older 744's. They are a nice quiet bird to fly on, much more relaxing!
Pilot21 From Ireland, joined Oct 1999, 1018 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (1 month 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 9571 times:
Airbus states the following delivery schedule (as of today's Press announcement)
2008 - 12 deliveries (had stated 13 but QF will now only receive 3 in 2008)
2009 - 21 instead of 25 as originally planned
2010 - 30 - 40 aircraft instead of 42 (thought it had been planned for 45, but all Press releases state 42 was the 2010 figure)
Obviously 2010 and beyond is a movable target (it can go up or down) so we'll have to wait until this time next year before Airbus really will have an idea on how the full scale normal manufacturing ramp-up is going.
Aviationbuff From India, joined Mar 2008, 250 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (1 month 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9489 times:
Singapore Air says A380 delays will affect deliveries
Quote: Singapore Airlines said on Tuesday that it expects to receive its fifth A380 superjumbo by early July and sees some impact on subsequent deliveries after Airbus announced further delays.
"The changes in production schedules will potentially have some impact, the details of which we will need to understand from Airbus," Singapore Air spokesman Stephen Forshaw said in an email.
NAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5811 posts, RR: 18 Reply 12, posted (1 month 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9464 times:
Quoting Pilot21 (Reply 14): 2010 - 30 - 40 aircraft instead of 42 (thought it had been planned for 45, but all Press releases state 42 was the 2010 figure)
45 in 2010 was always the quoted figure hitherto.
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Larshjort From Denmark, joined Dec 2007, 282 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (1 month 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 9188 times:
Talking about 380 problems. Last thursday I at a guided tour at XFW we weren't allowed to look into the hangar with 380's, apperently because there were some promlems with the Quantas ones. Does anybody know what that was about?
Scouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 2191 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (1 month 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 9161 times:
Quoting Larshjort (Reply 19): Talking about 380 problems. Last thursday I at a guided tour at XFW we weren't allowed to look into the hangar with 380's, apperently because there were some promlems with the Quantas ones. Does anybody know what that was about?
I'd be gutted if I was you mate - the A380 hall is the best bit!
Addition - Forgot to add - the first QF A380 (MSN014) is already at XFW and the second one is poised for its forst flight shortly (MSN015)
Beaucaire From Lebanon, joined Sep 2003, 4026 posts, RR: 18 Reply 15, posted (1 month 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 8832 times:
Part of the permanent delays are caused by customers themselves- EADS indicated that currently there are 14 different wiring-versions in the pipeline for the A380,taking into consideration each customers different IES architecture !
Why can't manufacturers not impose a standard docking interface for IES apparatus-full stop !
It would cost less and simplify manufacture .
Larshjort From Denmark, joined Dec 2007, 282 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (1 month 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 8694 times:
Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 20): I'd be gutted if I was you mate - the A380 hall is the best bit!
I was my first time at XFW and it was quite interesting to see the A32X final assembly, we were told that they are starting A320 production at XFW and ramping up the rate to about 40 aircrafts a month. Then I'll have something new to see when I return in a couple of years.
I guess I'll have to go to Farnborough to see the A380.
BrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 1998 posts, RR: 4 Reply 17, posted (1 month 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 8582 times:
Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 21): Why can't manufacturers not impose a standard docking interface for IES apparatus-full stop !
It would cost less and simplify manufacture .
What is in it for them? If you acquire a plane have a rockwell-collins system and you run something else the mods are much more substantial if you have to do the whole plane. More extensive mods = more money for the vendors & installers.
Things like cabin furnishings, etc are variable as cabin configs are different, etc. So there would be no one way to do something universally, as where one operator has a toilet another might have a galley with a bank of ovens in it, or even passenger seating. Similarly with the IFE, different things might be in different places, like servers, control panels, etc. Everything has to be designed individually for each carrier anyway so the benefits of having common interfaces is probably not all that great and by having bespoke drawings and connections unique to that system it locks an airline into one supplier too....
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KennyK From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 256 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (1 month 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6054 times:
Airline CEO's World wide must be fuming with Airbus and Boeing, A & B have the primary tasks of getting aircraft built to specification and getting them to their customers on time. Any company that screws up by initially promising something and in both cases ending up around 2 years late would be crucified. Only there are only two major manufacturers of airliners and it is a sellers market at the moment so the airlines are over a barrel other than compensation but that still does not put extra planes in the sky.
I bet the airline CEO's are doing plenty of finger wagging at A&B to get their fingers out not only to get present problems sorted but also not to screw up like they have done recently.
Ikramerica From United States, joined May 2005, 14531 posts, RR: 41 Reply 19, posted (1 month 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5987 times:
Quoting KennyK (Reply 30): Airline CEO's World wide must be fuming with Airbus and Boeing, A & B have the primary tasks of getting aircraft built to specification and getting them to their customers on time.
This is what happens when you have a duopoly that is feeding a market where demand outstrips to supply and where the barriers to entry are very high.
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
KennyK From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 256 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (1 month 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5651 times:
There is some comment that Airbus may not be able to ever deliver more than 40 A380s a year, they may well be right, Is technology becoming too difficult to apply as we develop and try to produce super high tech airliners? My point is the slow ramp up of A380 production and the similar problems with the 787 now.
Just go back to 1969, Boeing delivered just 4 747s, then look at 1970, they delivered 92. What were those guys on, if anyone knows please tell the CEO's at Airbus and Boeing
Philzh From Switzerland, joined May 2007, 131 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (1 month 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5520 times:
Quoting Pilot21 (Reply 14): 2008 - 12 deliveries (had stated 13 but QF will now only receive 3 in 2008)
2009 - 21 instead of 25 as originally planned
2010 - 30 - 40 aircraft instead of 42
There was an article in today's «Neue Zürcher Zeitung» about EK having difficulties with their (rather extreme) expansion plans due to late deliveries of A380s as well as DXBs new terminal/concourse being late.
Is it known how these new delays will affect the individual airlines that are due to receive the big bird?
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