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Airbus Confirms New A380 Delays  
User currently offlineAviationbuff From India, joined Mar 2008, 1425 posts, RR: 3
Posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 13408 times:

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...rbus-confirms-new-a380-delays.html

Quote:
Airbus has confirmed a new round of delays to the A380 programme that will affect deliveries at least this year and next year.

The manufacturer says in a statement that it has “completed the A380 programme review and is now informing customers about changes to its delivery schedule”.

It says it now plans for 12 deliveries this year, rather than 13 as previously expected, and 21 next year, instead of 25...........


[Edited 2008-05-13 01:00:13]

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User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4405 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 13367 times:

We were well prepared for numbers like these - if this is now really carefull analysis this means two months delays in deliveries.

User currently offlineUAEflyer From United Arab Emirates, joined Nov 2006, 1147 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 13343 times:

I hope the customers understand the situation and never think of canceling, i have a doubt that the A380 program is a profit project for Airbus.

User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4405 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 13308 times:

Either Airbus manages to find an airline that is happy to shift 5 birds backwards, or they come 2 months later - nothing anybody would use to cancel ( but to ask for money be sure ).

User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 13212 times:

That's really a very small delay..........but of course airlines will ask compensations.

User currently offlineSlz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 13117 times:

Thinking about compensation, I don't know if airlines will be able to do so?

I remember that when Boeing announced the first delay of the 787, it was delayed by 3 months and it specified this was still within contractual terms. Also, the first 6 month delay of the A380 still met the contractual terms and no compensations were due.

Now, it is likely that when Airbus settled with its customers, they've reset the counters to zero, so that this time, I am not sure they can even claim something for just 2 extra months of waiting. Regardless, it should be only small money really.

Looks like a very modest change in the delivery schedule, announced well ahead (more than a year). Kudos to Airbus for being so open with it. Boeing is still in state of denial as to their production ramp-up mess and the consequences it will have for all the customers lined up after ANA's first 787.


User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10168 posts, RR: 97
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 13091 times:
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Quoting Burkhard (Reply 3):
Either Airbus manages to find an airline that is happy to shift 5 birds backwards, or they come 2 months later - nothing anybody would use to cancel

Of course the unanswered exam question is the plan for 2010 and onward.....

Rgds


User currently offlineAviationbuff From India, joined Mar 2008, 1425 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 12682 times:

Another Article on Flight:
Airbus expects up to three-month delay in A380 production
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...onth-delay-in-a380-production.html

Quote:
Airbus is estimating that ramp-up snags with the A380 will postpone deliveries by two-and-a-half to three months, which the airframer is attributing to delays in adapting to new serial production techniques.



User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3398 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 12567 times:



Quoting Aviationbuff (Reply 9):
Quote:
Airbus is estimating that ramp-up snags with the A380 will postpone deliveries by two-and-a-half to three months, which the airframer is attributing to delays in adapting to new serial production techniques.

Which corresponds well with how far MSN026 (the first of the new wave planes) was behind its target for power-on


User currently offlineCol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2128 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 12470 times:

[quote=Slz396,reply=5]Especially when put into perspective of the 787; that plane is 'just '15 months late (based on EIS), yet key customers like ILFC are talking about receiving their planes with a 27+ month delay....

Wow, 5 posts and Boeing is in on an Airbus topic!!

Sad to hear, we need more 380's replacing the older 744's. They are a nice quiet bird to fly on, much more relaxing!


User currently offlinePilot21 From Ireland, joined Oct 1999, 1385 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 12355 times:

Airbus states the following delivery schedule (as of today's Press announcement)

2008 - 12 deliveries (had stated 13 but QF will now only receive 3 in 2008)
2009 - 21 instead of 25 as originally planned
2010 - 30 - 40 aircraft instead of 42 (thought it had been planned for 45, but all Press releases state 42 was the 2010 figure)

Obviously 2010 and beyond is a movable target (it can go up or down) so we'll have to wait until this time next year before Airbus really will have an idea on how the full scale normal manufacturing ramp-up is going.

Pilot21



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User currently offlineAviationbuff From India, joined Mar 2008, 1425 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 12273 times:

Singapore Air says A380 delays will affect deliveries

Quote:
Singapore Airlines said on Tuesday that it expects to receive its fifth A380 superjumbo by early July and sees some impact on subsequent deliveries after Airbus announced further delays.

"The changes in production schedules will potentially have some impact, the details of which we will need to understand from Airbus," Singapore Air spokesman Stephen Forshaw said in an email.

http://asia.news.yahoo.com/080513/3/3jb8q.html


User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 36
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 12248 times:



Quoting Pilot21 (Reply 14):
2010 - 30 - 40 aircraft instead of 42 (thought it had been planned for 45, but all Press releases state 42 was the 2010 figure)

45 in 2010 was always the quoted figure hitherto.



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User currently offlineLarshjort From Denmark, joined Dec 2007, 1506 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 11972 times:

Talking about 380 problems. Last thursday I at a guided tour at XFW we weren't allowed to look into the hangar with 380's, apperently because there were some promlems with the Quantas ones. Does anybody know what that was about?

/LArs



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User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3398 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 11945 times:

Quoting Larshjort (Reply 19):
Talking about 380 problems. Last thursday I at a guided tour at XFW we weren't allowed to look into the hangar with 380's, apperently because there were some promlems with the Quantas ones. Does anybody know what that was about?

I'd be gutted if I was you mate - the A380 hall is the best bit!


Addition - Forgot to add - the first QF A380 (MSN014) is already at XFW and the second one is poised for its forst flight shortly (MSN015)

[Edited 2008-05-13 06:47:16]

User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 11616 times:

Part of the permanent delays are caused by customers themselves- EADS indicated that currently there are 14 different wiring-versions in the pipeline for the A380,taking into consideration each customers different IES architecture !
Why can't manufacturers not impose a standard docking interface for IES apparatus-full stop !
It would cost less and simplify manufacture .



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User currently offlineLarshjort From Denmark, joined Dec 2007, 1506 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 11478 times:



Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 20):
I'd be gutted if I was you mate - the A380 hall is the best bit!

I was my first time at XFW and it was quite interesting to see the A32X final assembly, we were told that they are starting A320 production at XFW and ramping up the rate to about 40 aircrafts a month. Then I'll have something new to see when I return in a couple of years.

I guess I'll have to go to Farnborough to see the A380.

/Lars



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User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3926 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 11366 times:



Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 21):
Why can't manufacturers not impose a standard docking interface for IES apparatus-full stop !
It would cost less and simplify manufacture .

What is in it for them? If you acquire a plane have a rockwell-collins system and you run something else the mods are much more substantial if you have to do the whole plane. More extensive mods = more money for the vendors & installers.

Things like cabin furnishings, etc are variable as cabin configs are different, etc. So there would be no one way to do something universally, as where one operator has a toilet another might have a galley with a bank of ovens in it, or even passenger seating. Similarly with the IFE, different things might be in different places, like servers, control panels, etc. Everything has to be designed individually for each carrier anyway so the benefits of having common interfaces is probably not all that great and by having bespoke drawings and connections unique to that system it locks an airline into one supplier too....



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User currently offlineKennyK From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 482 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8838 times:

Airline CEO's World wide must be fuming with Airbus and Boeing, A & B have the primary tasks of getting aircraft built to specification and getting them to their customers on time. Any company that screws up by initially promising something and in both cases ending up around 2 years late would be crucified. Only there are only two major manufacturers of airliners and it is a sellers market at the moment so the airlines are over a barrel other than compensation but that still does not put extra planes in the sky.

I bet the airline CEO's are doing plenty of finger wagging at A&B to get their fingers out not only to get present problems sorted but also not to screw up like they have done recently.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21562 posts, RR: 59
Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8771 times:



Quoting KennyK (Reply 30):
Airline CEO's World wide must be fuming with Airbus and Boeing, A & B have the primary tasks of getting aircraft built to specification and getting them to their customers on time.

This is what happens when you have a duopoly that is feeding a market where demand outstrips to supply and where the barriers to entry are very high.



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User currently offlineKennyK From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 482 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8435 times:

There is some comment that Airbus may not be able to ever deliver more than 40 A380s a year, they may well be right, Is technology becoming too difficult to apply as we develop and try to produce super high tech airliners? My point is the slow ramp up of A380 production and the similar problems with the 787 now.

Just go back to 1969, Boeing delivered just 4 747s, then look at 1970, they delivered 92. What were those guys on, if anyone knows please tell the CEO's at Airbus and Boeing  hyper 


User currently offlinePhilzh From Switzerland, joined May 2007, 147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8304 times:



Quoting Pilot21 (Reply 14):
2008 - 12 deliveries (had stated 13 but QF will now only receive 3 in 2008)
2009 - 21 instead of 25 as originally planned
2010 - 30 - 40 aircraft instead of 42

There was an article in today's «Neue Zürcher Zeitung» about EK having difficulties with their (rather extreme) expansion plans due to late deliveries of A380s as well as DXBs new terminal/concourse being late.
Is it known how these new delays will affect the individual airlines that are due to receive the big bird?


User currently offlineCygnusChicago From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 758 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8212 times:



Quoting KennyK (Reply 32):
There is some comment that Airbus may not be able to ever deliver more than 40 A380s a year, they may well be right

It could also been driven by market demand. Maybe Airbus needs an incremental investment to ramp production. The WSJ seems to indicate that production will only increase over the 30-40 if "the market demands" it.



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User currently offlineEA772LR From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2836 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8010 times:



Quoting KennyK (Reply 32):
Is technology becoming too difficult to apply as we develop and try to produce super high tech airliners? My point is the slow ramp up of A380 production and the similar problems with the 787 now.

I was wondering the same thing. Are the technologies Airbus and Boeing using in their respective projects getting in the way of normal production results?? Are Boeing and Airbus being a little too ambitious with their delivery time frames??



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User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2588 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 7646 times:

These additional delays sound minor, but if three months causes an airline to miss it's "high season" on a planned route, then the consequences to them are certain not "minor." Let's hope the 2010 numbers are closer to 40 than 30.

25 BoogyJay : Exactly ! And I think this is what happens now to AF : July'09 instead of April'09 means the summer season is screwed up.
26 Ikramerica : let's hope it's 42-45!
27 KC135TopBoom : Didn't Airbus understand the differences in airline IES before they signed the contracts for delivery of that airlines A-380s on XX/XX/XX date? So, t
28 CygnusChicago : I'm guessing it is more a case of them providing too fluid a solution. They sold these planes with a circa 2000 perspective on IFE. In the meantime,
29 Micstatic : Do you guys know if Boeing and Airbus actually install the interiors, or if they are shipped out to completion shops? Anyway, I hope Airbus gets the A
30 OldAeroGuy : Except for business jet type interiors, Airbus and Boeing install the interiors using components supplied by vendors of seats, lavs, galleys, etc.
31 Post contains links Aviationbuff : A380 customers to receive revised A380 delivery plan in a month http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...vised-a380-delivery-plan-in-a.html Interesting
32 Ikramerica : Well, it's a long term shortfall, not so much a short term one, so 77Ws may be available to them in 2-3 years when they will be 4 A380s short based o
33 Post contains links Astuteman : Updated article posted in Flightglobal.com http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...vised-a380-delivery-plan-in-a.html It adds a little more "flavour" w
34 Norcal773 : It's slz396 trying to turn it into a B v A debate like he tries with every thread but if you notice, nobody tries to go there with him because he's w
35 Revelation : Yes, it seems Airbus is getting better at dealing with PR issues. It's unfortunate that there is bad news, however.
36 Jacobin777 : ....what's new? I do think some people are calling him on it now. Its sad people have to stoop so low....
37 Post contains links Aviationbuff : Airbus stumbles as it tries to transition from A380 Wave 1 to Wave 2 design http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...on-from-a380-wave-1-to-wave-2.html
38 Jacobin777 : " target=_blank>http://www.flightglobal.com/articles....html I dont think the article states anything new....3 1/2m months is not too big in the gran
39 Prebennorholm : Boeing had a long line of these birds sitting on the ground because the engines didn't work yet. Finished planes were waiting for the last engine mod
40 Lightsaber : Nice history summary. Very true. The first two high power high-bypass engines were very troublesome. Too troublesome. It cost Pan Am a fortune in hot
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