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USA3000 Leaving Scheduled Service?  
User currently offlinePieTpaFlSun From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 106 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 2 months 20 hours ago) and read 8095 times:

I understand that USA3000 will pull the plug from its scheduled service to include Florida in mid August. This would certainly be a blow as they are one of the very few LCC's that still provide some sort of respectable customer service. Any updates out there would certainly be welcomed.


Run with the dogs, get the fleas
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User currently offlineAAH732UAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 20 hours ago) and read 8035 times:



Quoting PieTpaFlSun (Thread starter):
I understand that USA3000 will pull the plug from its scheduled service to include Florida in mid August. This would certainly be a blow as they are one of the very few LCC's that still provide some sort of respectable customer service. Any updates out there would certainly be welcomed.

That does not sound right. They are a scheduled airline. So that means they will not be around anymore.

Maybe you heard that they are cutting service to once a week on all their destinations?


User currently offlineUnitedTristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 20 hours ago) and read 8002 times:



Quoting AAH732UAL (Reply 1):
They are a scheduled airline.

No they are a charter carrier who tries to do scheduled services with their down time.

They are owned by Apple Vacations.

-m

 airplane 


User currently offlineRSWA330 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 20 hours ago) and read 7973 times:

No I haven't heard that. I hope it's not true. I fly them quite often. I usually get cheaper fares and better service from them. Imagine that.

User currently offlinePieTpaFlSun From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 106 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 20 hours ago) and read 7976 times:

USA3000 primarily operates vacation packages for Apple Vacations. Over 2/3rds of their revenue comes from this source which by the way has been very successful over the last several years. The addition of scheduled operations was to improve aircraft utilization. They would make round trips in the morning to leisure destinations for Apple returning by early afternoon and sitting idle until the next day. Adding scheduled service to select Florida destinations was a way of generating additional revenue with idle aircraft during the late afternoon and evening hours. The aircraft basically do one round trip returning to their originating destination.


Run with the dogs, get the fleas
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24724 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 19 hours ago) and read 7913 times:

USA3000 internally announced that they will indeed draw down the flying come August and furlough 42 out of about ~140 pilots. Fleet is likely going to shrink to 5 aircraft.


From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineRSWA330 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 19 hours ago) and read 7907 times:

DTW-RSW is still bookable in August. I don't know if this menas anything or not.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):
USA3000 internally announced that they will indeed draw down the flying come August and furlough 42 out of about ~140 pilots. Fleet is likely going to shrink to 5 aircraft.

Do you know if they are ending all scheduled service or just reducing it?


User currently offlineB6fll From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 17 hours ago) and read 7614 times:

There will only be a fllet of 5 aircraft? Why bother? They need to call it quits...

User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5351 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 16 hours ago) and read 7588 times:

I'd hope this reduction only reflects the slow autumn season to their warm weather destinations.

FWIW, they recently applied to the DOT for renewals of a lot of their exemption route authorities.



I love long German words like 'Freundschaftsbezeigungen'.
User currently offlineORDagent From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 823 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 7 hours ago) and read 7297 times:



Quoting B6fll (Reply 7):
There will only be a fllet of 5 aircraft? Why bother? They need to call it quits...

As was already stated they are owned by Apple Vacations and the primary focus of the company is STILL charter service and scheduled is gravy. From my experience the service via an Apple package was really very good. Unless Apple finds that using other charter outfits is less expensive USA3000 will stay around.


User currently offlineDTWAGENT From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 4 hours ago) and read 6664 times:

Apple Vacations does not only use USA3000. They also have contracts with all the major carriers to places in the south and in Mexico, and Caribbean. So Apple could be getting out of the airline business as a way to save money. Their customer service to travel agencys is down right horrible. If you think about it. With the fuel prices the way they are, getting out of the airlines business would be a smart move for them. But, they have been using major carriers allot more then ever over the last 9 months or so. All of our bookings with Apple have been on either NWA,US,DL,AA out of DTW.

chuck


User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8653 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 4 hours ago) and read 6545 times:

This will suck since I see them in MLB.

Hunter



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User currently offlineCloud4000 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 641 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 3 hours ago) and read 6266 times:

It's an interesting contrast to Europe, where charter flights are more popular than in the United States, which is really small.


Boston, USA
User currently offlineStasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3280 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 3 hours ago) and read 6255 times:

I have flown USA3000 numerous times from PIE to PHL and always found their in-flight service to be top-notch - including hot dinners, free soft drinks, and friendly cabin crew. However, I tried to book tickets for Labor Day weekend on their website and the website would not accept the dates I wanted; in fact, the website would not accept any dates in September. A call to customer service found that USA3000 is not accepting reservations for PIE to PHL with a return date later than August 18 and to call back in another week. I asked to speak with a manager and I was told by the manager that USA3000 will be "focusing on international flights only" beginning August 19 due to the "extremely high cost of jet fuel".


"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety!" B.Franklin
User currently offlineBillReid From Netherlands, joined Jun 2006, 978 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 2 hours ago) and read 5700 times:

First, USA3000 is not owned by Apple Vacations it is simply their primary business.
Second, the US flying is done to generate more revenues for the aircraft through creating greater aircraft utilzation. The flying creates incremental revenues this way beyond Apple V.
Third, how can any airline that is "niche focussed" afford $100/seat fuel cost each way flying when their pax is of the discretionary type.
Third, Angus K. the CEO will do his absolute best to keep his planes in the air.

Fourth, this is all about fuel costs and nothing else.



Some people don't get it. Business is about making MONEY!
User currently offlineORDagent From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 823 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 months 1 hour ago) and read 5344 times:

Actually USA 3000 is "Brendan Airlines LLC" Dba USA 3000. The primary owners Brendan are also the owners of Apple. IIRC Brendan is the family name or possibly the first name of the owner. I'm checking for further documentation on this and will post links as I find them. However this is was what was told to me by a USA3000 attendant when I flew them.

User currently offlineRSWA330 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 months ago) and read 5193 times:



Quoting StasisLAX (Reply 13):
I asked to speak with a manager and I was told by the manager that USA3000 will be "focusing on international flights only" beginning August 19 due to the "extremely high cost of jet fuel".

DTW-RSW is bookable well into September, however DTW-PIE is not. Maybe they are just seriously reducing their domestic flying and not ending it all together.


User currently offlineThirteenRight From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 months ago) and read 5127 times:



Quoting ORDagent (Reply 15):
Actually USA 3000 is "Brendan Airlines LLC" Dba USA 3000. The primary owners Brendan are also the owners of Apple. IIRC Brendan is the family name or possibly the first name of the owner. I'm checking for further documentation on this and will post links as I find them. However this is was what was told to me by a USA3000 attendant when I flew them.

Brendan Airways is much nicer sounding than USA3000. USA3000 sounds very cheap.


User currently offlineRSWA330 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 months ago) and read 5046 times:

I just checked and RSW is the only Florida destination bookable after August. When I tried booking flights for FLL and PIE, I was revertd back to the August dates. SRQ wasn't even bookable during season.

User currently offlineNewsguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4960 times:

here's a link to the story from tampabay.com (st. pete times website):

http://www.tampabay.com/news/business/airlines/article506215.ece


User currently offlineRSWA330 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4530 times:

That is very strange that they chose to have one scheduled, domestic destination remain. I'm not complaining, but I would have thought that they would have just ended all scheduled, domestic flying altogether. Glad to hear that RSW has worked out well for them so far. I wouldn't be surprised if they end RSW in the near future though. It just seems like a waste to have only one destination.

User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4316 times:



Quoting AAH732UAL (Reply 1):
That does not sound right. They are a scheduled airline.

They are a scheduled airline only in the evenings after they have completed their charter business flights for the day.

And they are an excellent little airline. I work for American but in the winter when I have to pay for a ticket so I can get a seat, I use them because their seats are more comfortable, they have decend BOB food and free and good IFE.

What a loss to the LCC industry. They have done a great job.



Tired of airline bankruptcies....EA/PA/TW and finally DL.
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24724 posts, RR: 46
Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3723 times:

USA Today has a little piece on USA3000
http://blogs.usatoday.com/sky/2008/05/usa-3000.html

As the COO says --

Quote:
USA 3000 officials blamed soaring fuel costs. "In September and October, we were looking at a big, black hole," USA 3000 COO Angus Kinnear




From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineBillReid From Netherlands, joined Jun 2006, 978 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3605 times:



Quoting RSWA330 (Reply 18):
I just checked and RSW is the only Florida destination bookable after August. When I tried booking flights for FLL and PIE, I was revertd back to the August dates. SRQ wasn't even bookable during season.

There may be an Apple Vacations contract that requires them to fly to RSW. But believe me RSW is now one of the most expensive airports in FLA, if they are remaining it will be with a very very very thin schedule. Unfortunately they are on the ropes along with Frontier and Midwest.

The next round is coming soon, or indeed may be happening!



Some people don't get it. Business is about making MONEY!
User currently offlineRSWA330 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3509 times:



Quoting BillReid (Reply 23):
There may be an Apple Vacations contract that requires them to fly to RSW. But believe me RSW is now one of the most expensive airports in FLA, if they are remaining it will be with a very very very thin schedule. Unfortunately they are on the ropes along with Frontier and Midwest.

The next round is coming soon, or indeed may be happening!

There is no cut in the schedule, at least to my knowledge. Every current destination served from RSW is still bookable through September. RSW recently changed the way that airlines are charged. This may possibly have something to do with U5 sticking around. I highly doubt there is any Apple Vacations contract. I think they stick around because RSW is a very, very good performer for them. Flights leave sold out all the time.

RSW has higher air fares than the other Florida airports. This probably allows U5 to charge more into RSW, yet still remain competitive.


25 Davescj : If it is all they need for the charters they are going to focus on, why keep extra planes? Perhaps they'll also expand to troop transport. Remember,
26 Humberside : Tower Air are long gone
27 Charlienorth : There is no Apple contract for RSW...RSW was the first non-Apple destination served by U3k as a way of keeping the aircraft busy,I always thought the
28 BillReid : So explain why they would stay at only one location in FLA? Considering the fuel is less expensive in St. Pete's than RSW, there must be property own
29 Krsw757 : They stated that RSW was the only city that they served in florida where they still could make money at the current fuel prices.
30 RSWA330 : Probably because RSW was the best performer for them. They said it themselves in the article, RSW is the only city they could charge fares high enoug
31 JoseKMLB : this does suck and i work in mlb and as of now they are pulling out of mlb JULY 31st
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