Quote: Embraer has announced plans to set up its first aircraft assembly line in the USA, selecting Melbourne, Florida for production of its Phenom 100 and 300 business jets.
The Brazilian manufacturer plans to invest an “estimated $50 million" to construct a 13,900sqm (150,000sqft) factory, which will also incorporate a paint shop and a delivery and customer design centre.
Lightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 10668 posts, RR: 100 Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3347 times:
Quoting Davescj (Reply 1): This is great news for the US economy! Congratulations Melbourne FL!
I've been tracking the movement of aerospace manufacturing back to the US (due to the weak dollar) and this surprised me. Can any of our Brazilian friends comment?
But something doesn't add up. From the article:
Quote: Embraer expects to create “approximately 200 skilled positions by 2011".
200 jobs isn't an assembly facility... considering its also including a paint shop. Its sounds more like a customization center.
But the articles do state... "Final assembly." I suspect that means accepting a green airframe and putting in custom goodies (other than the standard Embraer interiors).
From my link:
Quote: "Developing this new facility will allow Embraer to respond to the growing demands of its executive-jets business, and reaffirms our commitment to meet and exceed customer requirements and expectations," Embraer President Frederico Curado said in a separate written statement.
Sounds like an interior customization facility to me. But hey, bring jobs to the US! I'll take mine with a minibar and round bed.
But the articles do state... "Final assembly." I suspect that means accepting a green airframe and putting in custom goodies (other than the standard Embraer interiors).
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Boeing4ever says:
Dang. New jobs are a good thing, but figures the press would screw up "Final Assembly". Maybe Embraer can be enticed with the current dollar exchange rates to give us a true assembly facility.
EMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9286 posts, RR: 13 Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3293 times:
Quoting BP1 (Reply 5): Let us not also forget Embraer is building a maintenance facility at Phoenix Mesa Gateway Airport in Mesa, AZ at the same time too.
Actually in three locations in the US: PHX, BDL and FLL........ all Legacy and Phenom Service Centers
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Mrocktor From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1645 posts, RR: 51 Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 2959 times:
I don't know any more than you do (and if I did, I couldn't tell anyway). My guess is that Embraer will ship fully equipped major sub-sections (perhaps the complete fuselage, wing, engines, stabilizers, landing gear) to be "snapped together" at the Melbourne facility and then finished (interior, paint).
This is pure guesswork but the main drivers are probably:
* The planes are too big to be shipped fully assembled
* Most customers probably don't want to come to a 3rd world country and then do a multi-leg multi-international trip home to take delivery of their planes
* There may be tax advantages to having a "made in USA" product
Jetlanta From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2901 posts, RR: 28 Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 2858 times:
Quoting Mrocktor (Reply 14): I don't know any more than you do (and if I did, I couldn't tell anyway). My guess is that Embraer will ship fully equipped major sub-sections (perhaps the complete fuselage, wing, engines, stabilizers, landing gear) to be "snapped together" at the Melbourne facility and then finished (interior, paint).
This is pure guesswork but the main drivers are probably:
* The planes are too big to be shipped fully assembled
* Most customers probably don't want to come to a 3rd world country and then do a multi-leg multi-international trip home to take delivery of their planes
* There may be tax advantages to having a "made in USA" product
This is absolutely correct. The aircraft will be "assembled" at MLB. This is more than a customization center.
PPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8492 posts, RR: 43 Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 2778 times:
Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 3): I've been tracking the movement of aerospace manufacturing back to the US (due to the weak dollar) and this surprised me. Can any of our Brazilian friends comment?
Quoting Mrocktor (Reply 14): * There may be tax advantages to having a "made in USA" product
This is what I was thinking as well.
I guess the interiors will be manufactured in the U.S., too? I've heard many times that shipping to Brazil can be pretty expensive and a potential nightmare too (bureaucratic and corrupt) so maybe not just a tax savings.
"If goods do not cross borders, soldiers will" - Frederic Bastiat
Almost all business jet manufactures fly their planes green to a second facility to be finished out. With the shear number of airframes sold in the US this makes total sense. The planes with be flown up from Brazil green, then finished out in MLB.
[Edited 2008-05-15 13:12:25]
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Dvincent From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1719 posts, RR: 12 Reply 19, posted (5 years 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 2755 times:
Quoting IliriBDL (Reply 11): So where is it at BDL? I haven't seen anything.
You're not looking in the right place... it's going to be across the street from the New England Air Museum. Which is nowhere near the Bombardier facility (next to UPS/TACair by runway 1). Closer to runway 15.
It's coming together pretty well evne though the last time I was by it was on March 30.
Legacy135 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 1052 posts, RR: 29 Reply 20, posted (5 years 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 2752 times:
Well about production quality of Embraer's aircrafts built in Brasil I can't complain at all. The real downpart in dealing with them is customer support. They are used to deal with airlines dealing out a number of aircrafts to the very last cent, spare parts included and then doing the rest on their own, with their in house maintenance and engineering. Not so the corporates, they don't normally have any in house maintenance or engineering. And this is were Embraer proved over the last five years we are dealing with them that they constantly try to re-invent the wheel but would better look what companies as Gulfstream, Dassault or Cessna do. There you get results, maybe not always the best one for sure, but at least a result.
So I would love to see Embraer to try to setup their entire customer support with any company in business for a long while. making their range of aircraft of a real superior choice. Remember, a product is only as good as it's support and that is the part where EMB needs to improve a lot.
IliriBDL From Germany, joined May 2007, 1205 posts, RR: 15 Reply 24, posted (5 years 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2591 times:
Quoting Dvincent (Reply 19): You're not looking in the right place... it's going to be across the street from the New England Air Museum. Which is nowhere near the Bombardier facility (next to UPS/TACair by runway 1). Closer to runway 15.
Ah ok, that makes sense, and thats why I said I haven't seen it near the airport. (like from the employee parking lot to the terminal)
I'll go by one day in the future, and see how things are going.
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25 Jetlanta: Well, as indicated above, the components will be shipped in and "snapped together" at MLB. It really doesn't require a lot of manpower. Also, it is l
26 Boeing4ever: Jetlanta says... Well, as indicated above, the components will be shipped in and "snapped together" at MLB. It really doesn't require a lot of manpowe
27 Mrocktor: B4E says: "What kind of manpower is necessary to assemble business jets?" Lots. Assembling the structure, with all the rivets, fasteners, supports etc
28 Lightsaber: I had replied earlier, but it looks like the firewall ate it. I see that there are tax advantages to doing final assembly in the US. Wiring has become
29 Boeing4ever: Mrockter says: Lots. Assembling the structure, with all the rivets, fasteners, supports etc. takes a lot of manpower. Equipping the structural compone
30 Jetlanta: It may be on your end. I'm not having any problems with it.
31 Jmbarros12: Boeing4ever says: PS: Will somebody PLEASE fix the quote feature bug in this thread? *****************************************************************
32 Boeing4ever: I like how others have adopted my workaround method to the issue. Well, I'm only having this problem with this particular thread, so meh, I'll live wi
33 Lightsaber: Out of curiosity, is Embraer using these fitting out centers to keep a leg up on Honda? It seems like a bright idea! I think the A380 is the poster ch
34 BP1: Is the airport at Melbourne, FL an International Free Trade Zone? Please reply. Thanks, BP1
35 Boeing4ever: Quote feature still broken: The force is with Lightsaber who says: I think the A380 is the poster child to force the industry in this direction. In th
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