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Embraer To Set Up Phenom Production Line In US  
User currently offlineAviationbuff From India, joined Mar 2008, 1425 posts, RR: 3
Posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4784 times:

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...om-production-line-in-florida.html

Quote:
Embraer has announced plans to set up its first aircraft assembly line in the USA, selecting Melbourne, Florida for production of its Phenom 100 and 300 business jets.

The Brazilian manufacturer plans to invest an “estimated $50 million" to construct a 13,900sqm (150,000sqft) factory, which will also incorporate a paint shop and a delivery and customer design centre.



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User currently offlineDavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4776 times:

This is great news for the US economy! Congratulations Melbourne FL!

Dave



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User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4660 times:

Good to hear. It's nice to see new aircraft production facilities go up.  Smile

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User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12892 posts, RR: 100
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4544 times:
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Quoting Davescj (Reply 1):
This is great news for the US economy! Congratulations Melbourne FL!

I've been tracking the movement of aerospace manufacturing back to the US (due to the weak dollar) and this surprised me. Can any of our Brazilian friends comment?

But something doesn't add up. From the article:

Quote:
Embraer expects to create “approximately 200 skilled positions by 2011".

200 jobs isn't an assembly facility... considering its also including a paint shop. Its sounds more like a customization center.

Per this article its a $51million factory:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/busin...rl-embraer1408may14,0,741560.story

But the articles do state... "Final assembly." I suspect that means accepting a green airframe and putting in custom goodies (other than the standard Embraer interiors).

From my link:

Quote:
"Developing this new facility will allow Embraer to respond to the growing demands of its executive-jets business, and reaffirms our commitment to meet and exceed customer requirements and expectations," Embraer President Frederico Curado said in a separate written statement.

Sounds like an interior customization facility to me. But hey, bring jobs to the US!  bigthumbsup  I'll take mine with a minibar and round bed.  Wink

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4533 times:

Lightsaber said... (quote feature appears to be broken.)

200 jobs isn't an assembly facility... considering its also including a paint shop. Its sounds more like a customization center.

Per this article its a $51million factory:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/busin...rl-embraer1408may14,0,741560.story

But the articles do state... "Final assembly." I suspect that means accepting a green airframe and putting in custom goodies (other than the standard Embraer interiors).


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Boeing4ever says:

Dang. New jobs are a good thing, but figures the press would screw up "Final Assembly". Maybe Embraer can be enticed with the current dollar exchange rates to give us a true assembly facility.  Smile

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User currently offlineBP1 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 593 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4520 times:

Let us not also forget Embraer is building a maintenance facility at Phoenix Mesa Gateway Airport in Mesa, AZ at the same time too.

Cheers,
BP1



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User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4504 times:

Well, I guess some of the Brazilian staff is coming with them as well?

User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4490 times:



Quoting BP1 (Reply 5):
Let us not also forget Embraer is building a maintenance facility at Phoenix Mesa Gateway Airport in Mesa, AZ at the same time too.

Actually in three locations in the US: PHX, BDL and FLL........ all Legacy and Phenom Service Centers



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User currently offlineIliriBDL From Germany, joined May 2007, 1205 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4437 times:

I don't think they have started building at BDL yet.


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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4405 times:



Quoting IliriBDL (Reply 8):
I don't think they have started building at BDL yet.

BDL is already well underway. I think it is first to open



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User currently offlineBeefstew25 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 675 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4358 times:

This is great news for MLB. Finally some good business instead of chasing around phantom German flights.

Plenty of land of this kind of stuff. With this and the tanker deal, things are going to pick up.



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User currently offlineIliriBDL From Germany, joined May 2007, 1205 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4343 times:



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 9):
BDL is already well underway. I think it is first to open

So where is it at BDL? I haven't seen anything.



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User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12892 posts, RR: 100
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4244 times:
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Can anyone tell me more about the related facility at BDL?

FYI, the quote feature isn't working for me tonight.

I'm excited about US jobs. But when I read this thread title, I expected an ASSEMBLY FACTORY with ~2,000+ jobs.  Wink

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineJetmatt777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2763 posts, RR: 33
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4223 times:



Quote:
I'm excited about US jobs. But when I read this thread title, I expected an ASSEMBLY FACTORY with ~2,000+ jobs.

Same here. This isn't production, this is installation.

-Matt



No info
User currently offlineMrocktor From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1668 posts, RR: 50
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4156 times:

I don't know any more than you do (and if I did, I couldn't tell anyway). My guess is that Embraer will ship fully equipped major sub-sections (perhaps the complete fuselage, wing, engines, stabilizers, landing gear) to be "snapped together" at the Melbourne facility and then finished (interior, paint).

This is pure guesswork but the main drivers are probably:

* The planes are too big to be shipped fully assembled
* Most customers probably don't want to come to a 3rd world country and then do a multi-leg multi-international trip home to take delivery of their planes
* There may be tax advantages to having a "made in USA" product


User currently offlineJmbarros12 From Brazil, joined Nov 2007, 249 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4141 times:

I have a very close friend that works for Embraer. He told me that Phenom´s assembly facility will be kept at GPX.

What Embraer does intend to build in Florida is a paint shop, a completion center and a delivery facility.

This makes more sense to me.

Sds,

João Marcelo



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User currently offlineJetlanta From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 3251 posts, RR: 35
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4055 times:



Quoting Mrocktor (Reply 14):
I don't know any more than you do (and if I did, I couldn't tell anyway). My guess is that Embraer will ship fully equipped major sub-sections (perhaps the complete fuselage, wing, engines, stabilizers, landing gear) to be "snapped together" at the Melbourne facility and then finished (interior, paint).

This is pure guesswork but the main drivers are probably:

* The planes are too big to be shipped fully assembled
* Most customers probably don't want to come to a 3rd world country and then do a multi-leg multi-international trip home to take delivery of their planes
* There may be tax advantages to having a "made in USA" product

This is absolutely correct. The aircraft will be "assembled" at MLB. This is more than a customization center.

I know this for a fact.


User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8942 posts, RR: 40
Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3975 times:



Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 3):
I've been tracking the movement of aerospace manufacturing back to the US (due to the weak dollar) and this surprised me. Can any of our Brazilian friends comment?



Quoting Mrocktor (Reply 14):
* There may be tax advantages to having a "made in USA" product

This is what I was thinking as well.

I guess the interiors will be manufactured in the U.S., too? I've heard many times that shipping to Brazil can be pretty expensive and a potential nightmare too (bureaucratic and corrupt) so maybe not just a tax savings.



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3969 times:

Quoting IliriBDL (Reply 11):

So where is it at BDL? I haven't seen anything.

Not sure where on the field this is... I though I was told it would be near the Bombardier facility.
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Almost all business jet manufactures fly their planes green to a second facility to be finished out. With the shear number of airframes sold in the US this makes total sense. The planes with be flown up from Brazil green, then finished out in MLB.

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User currently offlineDvincent From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1742 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3952 times:
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Quoting IliriBDL (Reply 11):
So where is it at BDL? I haven't seen anything.

You're not looking in the right place... it's going to be across the street from the New England Air Museum. Which is nowhere near the Bombardier facility (next to UPS/TACair by runway 1). Closer to runway 15.

It's coming together pretty well evne though the last time I was by it was on March 30.



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User currently offlineLegacy135 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 1052 posts, RR: 26
Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3949 times:

Well about production quality of Embraer's aircrafts built in Brasil I can't complain at all. The real downpart in dealing with them is customer support. They are used to deal with airlines dealing out a number of aircrafts to the very last cent, spare parts included and then doing the rest on their own, with their in house maintenance and engineering. Not so the corporates, they don't normally have any in house maintenance or engineering. And this is were Embraer proved over the last five years we are dealing with them that they constantly try to re-invent the wheel but would better look what companies as Gulfstream, Dassault or Cessna do. There you get results, maybe not always the best one for sure, but at least a result.

So I would love to see Embraer to try to setup their entire customer support with any company in business for a long while. making their range of aircraft of a real superior choice. Remember, a product is only as good as it's support and that is the part where EMB needs to improve a lot.

Cheers
Legacy135  Wink


User currently offlineJetlanta From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 3251 posts, RR: 35
Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3840 times:



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 18):
The planes with be flown up from Brazil green, then finished out in MLB.

Not true. The aircraft will be assembled at MLB. Components will be shipped into Port Canaveral.

Seriously folks, this is a ASSEMBLY facility.


User currently offlineBeefstew25 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 675 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3830 times:

Will this deal supply a need for an airline other than Delta to fly into MLB? Please. All I want is some competition here.


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User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3808 times:

Quote Feature Broken...AGAIN.

Jetlanta said...

Not true. The aircraft will be assembled at MLB. Components will be shipped into Port Canaveral.

Seriously folks, this is a ASSEMBLY facility.

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Boeing4ever:

How many employees are needed to handle final assembly for a VLJ? Around 200 seems small for an assembly facility.

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User currently offlineIliriBDL From Germany, joined May 2007, 1205 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3788 times:



Quoting Dvincent (Reply 19):
You're not looking in the right place... it's going to be across the street from the New England Air Museum. Which is nowhere near the Bombardier facility (next to UPS/TACair by runway 1). Closer to runway 15.

Ah ok, that makes sense, and thats why I said I haven't seen it near the airport. (like from the employee parking lot to the terminal)

I'll go by one day in the future, and see how things are going.



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25 Jetlanta : Well, as indicated above, the components will be shipped in and "snapped together" at MLB. It really doesn't require a lot of manpower. Also, it is l
26 Boeing4ever : Jetlanta says... Well, as indicated above, the components will be shipped in and "snapped together" at MLB. It really doesn't require a lot of manpowe
27 Mrocktor : B4E says: "What kind of manpower is necessary to assemble business jets?" Lots. Assembling the structure, with all the rivets, fasteners, supports etc
28 Lightsaber : I had replied earlier, but it looks like the firewall ate it. I see that there are tax advantages to doing final assembly in the US. Wiring has become
29 Boeing4ever : Mrockter says: Lots. Assembling the structure, with all the rivets, fasteners, supports etc. takes a lot of manpower. Equipping the structural compone
30 Jetlanta : It may be on your end. I'm not having any problems with it.
31 Jmbarros12 : Boeing4ever says: PS: Will somebody PLEASE fix the quote feature bug in this thread? *****************************************************************
32 Boeing4ever : I like how others have adopted my workaround method to the issue. Well, I'm only having this problem with this particular thread, so meh, I'll live wi
33 Lightsaber : Out of curiosity, is Embraer using these fitting out centers to keep a leg up on Honda? It seems like a bright idea! I think the A380 is the poster ch
34 BP1 : Is the airport at Melbourne, FL an International Free Trade Zone? Please reply. Thanks, BP1
35 Boeing4ever : Quote feature still broken: The force is with Lightsaber who says: I think the A380 is the poster child to force the industry in this direction. In th
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