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Spirit Aerospace To Participate In A350...  
User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 24
Posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3447 times:

comes as no surprise to me and a wise decision from Enders and Gallois...

http://www.forbes.com/markets/feeds/afx/2008/05/14/afx5006492.html


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User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10253 posts, RR: 97
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3386 times:
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Quoting Beaucaire (Thread starter):
Spirit Aerospace To Participate In A350...

As you say, very sensible, both from an exchange rate point of view, and from the point of view of risk to the A350XWB.

It would appear that Airbus are putting achieving the A350 programme ahead of achieving the divestment element of Power8.

Rgds


User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3355 times:

Enders and Gallois are not as bad as some try to portray them in the media.
They have to fight against a weak $,trade-union influence,weakening economy and tough financing conditions for sub-contractors. Divesting in $ country manufacture is part of the equation.
To me ,Spirit will become a valuable partner for EADs and local manufactring will help to sell the US-Tanker deal to the US public...



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User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3299 times:

http://www.challenges.fr/20080514.CH...lisation_du_fuselage_de_la350.html

"Le groupe a préféré l'offre de Spirit à celles de l'italien Alena et du néerlandais Stork Fokker. "
Meaning Spirit has been chosen against Alenia and Fokker-Stork..



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5803 posts, RR: 47
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3215 times:

I wonder how this is going to be received by the Airbus Unions. Not well is my guess...echoing the Boeing unions outcry of outsourcing the 787 work packages. Is Spirit building the nose section for the A350?


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User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3177 times:

No-they would be building section 15,a center-fuselage part (upper side of center fuselage )

The shares of Spirit at least do well-plus 3% up- EADS up 6%..



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User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3013 times:

http://www.airliners.de/industrie/na...n/artikelseite.php?articleid=15141

Amazing that so few a.netters react to a news that is quite historical- the first time that a US company would be building fuselage sections for an Airbus..



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21590 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3000 times:



Quoting Astuteman (Reply 1):
As you say, very sensible, both from an exchange rate point of view, and from the point of view of risk to the A350XWB.

After seeing Boeing's experience of spreading out work all over the world with all sorts of partners, I'm not really sure this is mitigating risk or actually adding to the risk of delays…

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 6):
Amazing that so few a.netters react to a news that is quite historical- the first time that a US company would be building fuselage sections for an Airbus..

Again, you need to wait for people to wake up and have time to post in the USA my friend. Some of us were sleeping?  Wink



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User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10253 posts, RR: 97
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2958 times:
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Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 7):
After seeing Boeing's experience of spreading out work all over the world with all sorts of partners, I'm not really sure this is mitigating risk or actually adding to the risk of delays…

I get your point.
But on the assumption that Spirit are merely producing CFRP large panels, and not doing any of the pre-stuffing scoped on the 787, there should be much less risk of interface problems.

I saw the risk mitigation as being that Airbus don't want to get mired in a whole heap of commercial negotiations with potentially divesting plants, that may prevent the necessary decisions being made on the A350 in a timely manner.

Either build in-house, as before, or set up a straight sub-contract with an established tier 1 supplier (and Spirit come across as a very good Tier 1 supplier).

Just my  twocents 

Rgds


User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2941 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 7):
Again, you need to wait for people to wake up and have time to post in the USA my friend. Some of us were sleeping?

But even our European members seem pretty unaffected..although it's a pact with one of the major 787 subcontractors !



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User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2913 times:

http://www.finanznachrichten.de/nach...chten-2008-05/artikel-10822737.asp


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User currently offlineHawkerCamm From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2007, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2816 times:

I wonder how much of an influnce the tanker deal was to this venture?

User currently offlineJimboski93 From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2750 times:

Does anyone know the $ value per shipset Alenia was getting for their work on the 787?

User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12898 posts, RR: 46
Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2608 times:
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Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 7):
After seeing Boeing's experience of spreading out work all over the world with all sorts of partners, I'm not really sure this is mitigating risk or actually adding to the risk of delays...

Of all Boeing's supply-chain issues on the 787, Spirit seems to have been the least of them, so in that respect, a solid decision by Airbus.

Quoting HawkerCamm (Reply 11):
I wonder how much of an influnce the tanker deal was to this venture?

I'm struggling to see why it's in the slightest bit relevant. Airbus wanted to move more A350 work out of the €-zone, so Spirit makes perfect sense. If this work had gone to NG, then I might see a link.

Confirmation from Spirit:
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/b...us-a350-xwb-fuselage-contract.aspx



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User currently offlineNomadd22 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1903 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2560 times:

It's going to be embarrassing if Boeing ever reabsorbs Spirit.


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User currently offlineTrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4884 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2547 times:
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Quoting Jimboski93 (Reply 12):
Does anyone know the $ value per shipset Alenia was getting for their work on the 787?

well Vought-Alenia had 25% of the airframe and its supposed to be an almost even split of work between the two.


User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10253 posts, RR: 97
Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2471 times:
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Quoting Nomadd22 (Reply 14):
It's going to be embarrassing if Boeing ever reabsorbs Spirit.

Don't see why, apart from some IPR issues, maybe...
EADS builds the composite rear bulkhead for the 787....  Smile

Rgds


User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2467 times:

http://www.compositesworld.com/hpc/issues/2008/March/112698


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User currently offlineGorgos From Greece, joined Dec 2007, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2465 times:

Does anybody know which catia version Spirit uses?  Big grin

User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12898 posts, RR: 46
Reply 19, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2459 times:
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Quoting Astuteman (Reply 16):
EADS builds the composite rear bulkhead for the 787....

Yes, and Boeing builds the wing-tip fences for the A380.  yes 



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User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10253 posts, RR: 97
Reply 20, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2457 times:
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Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 17):

Great link, Beaucaire - thanks.

Rgds


User currently offlineHawkerCamm From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2007, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2297 times:



Quoting Scbriml (Reply 13):

Quoting HawkerCamm (Reply 11):
I wonder how much of an influnce the tanker deal was to this venture?

I'm struggling to see why it's in the slightest bit relevant. Airbus wanted to move more A350 work out of the €-zone, so Spirit makes perfect sense. If this work had gone to NG, then I might see a link.

EADS offering the USA plc/corp. additional work in any shape or form and thus supporting the US economy and jobs could have had an influence on the tanker outcome.

Spirt are also a world-class composite company that will bring additional design ideas to the A350XWB  Smile
Spirt design engineers have recently been "trained" on the B787 and some of that experience will pass to A350. IPR will not cover all avenues. (Plus one is barrels and the other large panels.)


User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10253 posts, RR: 97
Reply 22, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2242 times:
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Quoting HawkerCamm (Reply 21):
Spirt design engineers have recently been "trained" on the B787 and some of that experience will pass to A350. IPR will not cover all avenues. (Plus one is barrels and the other large panels.)

Experience IS experience...  Smile

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 19):
Yes, and Boeing builds the wing-tip fences for the A380

Didn't know that...
Just goes to show just how daft some of our predjudices are....  Smile

Rgds


User currently offlineNomadd22 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1903 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2228 times:



Quoting Gorgos (Reply 18):
Does anybody know which catia version Spirit uses?

V5 and only V5



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User currently offlineHawkerCamm From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2007, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2209 times:



Quoting Astuteman (Reply 22):


Quoting HawkerCamm (Reply 21):
Spirt design engineers have recently been "trained" on the B787 and some of that experience will pass to A350. IPR will not cover all avenues. (Plus one is barrels and the other large panels.)

Experience IS experience..

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User currently offline6YJCX From Jamaica, joined Dec 2007, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2107 times:

Connecting the dots and the decision to rent space at the Kinston NC Global Transpark seems to add up!

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