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KLM MD-11 Question  
User currently offlineBentley55 From Panama, joined Mar 2008, 99 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6711 times:

I will be flying from PTY to CDG via AMS on June 18 in Business and i would like to know if its possible to know before hand if the aircraft i will fly already has the new WBC and AVOD? Is there a website I can check?

Thanks..

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User currently offlineMeta From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 337 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6599 times:

You can try checking seatguru.com

User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19515 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6520 times:

Seatguru says that there are PTV's in J class. Doesn't say if that's AVOD.

User currently offlineWunalaYann From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2839 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6510 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 2):
Seatguru says that there are PTV's in J class. Doesn't say if that's AVOD.

I don't think it's AVOD, I reckon it's 12 video channels, and 12 audio channels. Check on Wikipedia, they are normally quite up-to-date.

Cheers.  Smile


User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6491 times:

I was under the impression that most of the MD-11 fleet, if not all, had been upgraded to feature the new WBC seats and the new Y seats minus AVOD and PTVs.

Last time I checked one MD-11 had been installed with AVOD in Y.



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User currently offlineASMD11 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6400 times:

This is from the KLM website, but it only talks about upgrades to the 747s in J and a generic statement of 12 video and audio cha

Quoting ,:
Entertainment aboard KLM's Boeing 747 and MD11 aircraft

World Business Class
With a personal screen at every seat, you can choose your own entertainment. You have a choice of hit films, television programs and a wide range of music available on 12 video and 12 audio channels. At this time, our fleet of Boeing 747s is being updated. Starting in the summer of 2008, seats in World Business Class in this fleet will feature a personal screen and an interactive entertainment system with films, television, games, and text messaging and e-mail services. The four new programs listed above will also become available at that time.

Economy Class
Enjoy hit films, popular television series, news and documentaries on a large screen. Rather listen to music? Then choose from 12 specially programmed audio channels giving you a range of musical styles. At the end of 2008, the entertainment system in the MD11s, including seats in Economy Class, will be updated to provide a personal screen with an on-demand video system, games, text messaging and e-mail services, and the three new programs listed above.



User currently offlineWunalaYann From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2839 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6281 times:



Quoting ASMD11 (Reply 5):
This is from the KLM website,

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User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4677 posts, RR: 50
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6176 times:



Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 4):

Last time I checked one MD-11 had been installed with AVOD in Y.

I haven't heard anything to suggest otherwise. I'll be able to tell you more in a weeks time as I have 6 MD-11 stretches coming up (3 different aircraft)



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User currently offlineBentley55 From Panama, joined Mar 2008, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5991 times:

how many KLM MD-11s have had the new WBC installed?

User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4502 posts, RR: 72
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5817 times:



Quoting Bentley55 (Reply 8):
how many KLM MD-11s have had the new WBC installed?

By the latest count, just 3 of 10 aircraft have had the new seats installed. They are PH-KCA, PH-KCB and PH-KCG. All of the other aircraft are still with the old WBC seats and ditto entertainment system, yet have the new 24-seat WBC cabin configuration. KLM rotates all of its MD11 aircraft throughout the network, so it is your best guess whether your flight will feature the new seats and entertainment system. Do make sure you get yourself a seat in the first WBC cabin, which contains rows 1 and 2 and which is s haven of privacy nowhere else found in KLM's longhaul fleet.

As a side note, 20 out of 22 B747s have now been reconfigured with the new seats. Only PH-BFF and PH-BFK remain in old configuration and these aircraft will undergo a D-check and cabin retrofit over the summer.

The KLM MD11 fleet if often plagued by technical issues and its dispatch reliability is not all that great. You may check out a daily overview of KLM longhaul operation, including aircraft registrations, in this thread.


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4502 posts, RR: 72
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5571 times:

To give you an idea that KLM does not assign specific aircraft to specific routes, here is a list of the MD11s that have been deployed on the AMS PTY route since it was launched on March 30:

Sun, Mar 30 - PH-KCG (new seats for the inaugural, obviously)
Wed, Apr 02 - PH-KCK
Fri, Apr 04 - PH-KCH
Sun, Apr 06 - PH-KCG
Wed, Apr 09 - PH-KCG
Fri, Apr 11 - PH-KCK
Sun, Apr 13 - PH-KCD
Wed, Apr 16 - PH-KCD
Fri, Apr 18 - PH-KCG
Sun, Apr 20 - PH-KCK
Wed, Apr 23 - PH-KCH
Fri, Apr 25 - PH-KCC
Sun, Apr 27 - PH-KCH
Wed, Apr 30 - PH-KCA
Fri, May 02 - PH-KCF
Sun, May 04 - PH-KCD
Wed, May 07 - PH-KCE
Fri, May 09 - PH-KCI
Sun, May 11 - PH-KCG
Wed, May 14 - PH-KCA


User currently offlineBentley55 From Panama, joined Mar 2008, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5418 times:



Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 9):
By the latest count, just 3 of 10 aircraft have had the new seats installed. They are PH-KCA, PH-KCB and PH-KCG. All of the other aircraft are still with the old WBC seats and ditto entertainment system, yet have the new 24-seat WBC cabin configuration. KLM rotates all of its MD11 aircraft throughout the network, so it is your best guess whether your flight will feature the new seats and entertainment system. Do make sure you get yourself a seat in the first WBC cabin, which contains rows 1 and 2 and which is s haven of privacy nowhere else found in KLM's longhaul fleet.

As a side note, 20 out of 22 B747s have now been reconfigured with the new seats. Only PH-BFF and PH-BFK remain in old configuration and these aircraft will undergo a D-check and cabin retrofit over the summer.

The KLM MD11 fleet if often plagued by technical issues and its dispatch reliability is not all that great. You may check out a daily overview of KLM longhaul operation, including aircraft registrations, in this thread.

Thanks a lot for the information. Which seats are more comfortable for sleeping, the new WBC or the older version?


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4502 posts, RR: 72
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5350 times:



Quoting Bentley55 (Reply 11):
Which seats are more comfortable for sleeping, the new WBC or the older version?

I much prefer the older seats for sleeping but if you are an inflight entertainment buff, you will be disappointed with the old system. The new IFE is top notch.


User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5225 times:
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Hi HB-IWC !

How are the PTY flights doing load factor wise ?

I thought the A332 was primarily assigned to the route ? Why have they swapped ?

rgds,

FB.



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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4502 posts, RR: 72
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5003 times:



Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 13):
How are the PTY flights doing load factor wise ?

Loads have been in the 65 - 70% range.

Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 13):
I thought the A332 was primarily assigned to the route ? Why have they swapped ?

The route was always planned with the MD11.


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