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Definition Of The A330-300E  
User currently offlineWunalaYann From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2839 posts, RR: 25
Posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 8189 times:

Hi all,

I am confused as what exactly that means. Is it the same as A330-3(insert engine manufacturer)2/3X?

What sort of increase in performance are we looking at? Range? Payload? A mix of both?

Do we know who the primary operators are?

Any information is greatly appreciated!!  Smile

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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 84
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days ago) and read 8067 times:

The A330 Enhanced is defined by the FAA as a weight variant 050 or 052 (230t or 233t) A330-200 or -300 with FBW enhancements and structural enhanced changes.

IE, any airframes after the first QF -200 or first NW -300 are Enhanced frames, they're the production spec.

There isn't any enhanced payload or range for either airframe. There is all new avionics, LCDs in the flight deck, LCD based cabin management, new FBW system that includes rudder controls, differences in manufacturing processes, etc.

Finnair's planes are due to be delivered with new GE engines - the CF6-80E1A4/B. That may well be delivering some enhancements.

NS


User currently offlineTrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4768 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days ago) and read 8049 times:
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Quoting Gigneil (Reply 1):
Finnair's planes are due to be delivered with new GE engines - the CF6-80E1A4/B. That may well be delivering some enhancements.

QR has been taking A4B equipped planes recently. AFAIK its just an A4 with a thrust bump feature to get A3 level TO thrust


User currently offlineWunalaYann From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2839 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days ago) and read 8004 times:

Thanks a lot guys!!

So can they be identified as, say, A330-303X or -323X? Is that what it stands for?

Cheers again.

PS: if they get new EFIS, do they need new pilot training as well?


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 84
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days ago) and read 7954 times:



Quoting Trex8 (Reply 2):

QR has been taking A4B equipped planes recently. AFAIK its just an A4 with a thrust bump feature to get A3 level TO thrust

Its actually an A3. A1s, 2s are technologically inferior to A4s, and A3s and A4Bs slightly better still.

The A4 has a number of enhancements including new high pressure turbine blades and an EGT margin improvement. The A3 and A4B have different HPTs, a new Stage 1 LPT nozzle, and even higher EGT margins (good for on wing life).

You can get the regular A4 build spec on a new A2, but not the A3/A4B build spec.


Effectively, yeah, its for the thrust bump.

NS


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7612 times:

All the SQ A330-300s will be A330-300Es then, right? Have RR also made recent engine enhancements?

User currently offlineBramble From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7555 times:



Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 3):
So can they be identified as, say, A330-303X or -323X? Is that what it stands for

They are still refered to as (e.g) A330-302. As all models currently produced are the updated E spec they are now the standard spec and my understanding is that they are not really refered to as A330Es.
However for press releases my airline refers to them as such. Perhaps to make them sound sexier? And this one is Enhanced.....ooooooohhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


User currently offlineEA772LR From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2836 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7522 times:



Quoting Zvezda (Reply 5):
Have RR also made recent engine enhancements?

Yes, there were supposed to be improvements the on-wing lifetime, and efficiency improvements of 1-2% in SFC



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User currently offlineTrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4768 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7370 times:
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Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 3):

I believe the display layout is unchanged only they have gone from CRTs to LCDs.


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 84
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7252 times:

There ARE some minor differences.

I do not know what they are.

NS


User currently offlineTrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4768 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7068 times:
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Quoting Gigneil (Reply 9):
There ARE some minor differences.

I do not know what they are.

where's Zeke when you need him!


User currently offlineAndrewtang From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 461 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 6900 times:

Besides the LCD cockpit, A330-300E has FBW controlled rudders and new cabin overhead bins + pax signs.

User currently offlineTeme82 From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 1525 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6848 times:
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Quoting Gigneil (Reply 1):
Finnair's planes are due to be delivered with new GE engines - the CF6-80E1A4/B.

Can some one share more light on that engine? I would like to see some figures about it.

Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 3):
So can they be identified as, say, A330-303X or -323X?

I think that the X is replaced with E  Wink



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User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10023 posts, RR: 96
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6781 times:
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Quoting Zvezda (Reply 5):
Have RR also made recent engine enhancements?

They're certainly "making" them....
A "significant" upgrade to the Trent 700 (it might possibly be characterised as the "Trent-1000'ing" of the Tent 700.....) will be entering service in mid 2009.

I'm led to believe it is in no small part responsible for the jump in the proportion of RR-powered A330's that have been ordered recently..

Rgds


User currently offlineEI564 From Ireland, joined May 2007, 373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 6718 times:



Quoting Gigneil (Reply 1):
There isn't any enhanced payload or range for either airframe. There is all new avionics, LCDs in the flight deck, LCD based cabin management, new FBW system that includes rudder controls, differences in manufacturing processes, etc.

This has probably a silly question but Aer Lingus has boasted about the enhanced range in their new A330 aircraft compared to their old. Look at page 11 in the following link for instance:

http://www.aerlingus.com/Corporate/Results_Presentation.pdf

I assumed this was because those aircraft were A330-300E. But seemingly not. Can anyone explain the difference?


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 84
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6540 times:



Quoting Teme82 (Reply 12):
I think that the X is replaced with E Wink

Nope. The E does not exist.

Quoting EI564 (Reply 14):
I assumed this was because those aircraft were A330-300E. But seemingly not. Can anyone explain the difference?

Vs. their A330-300s, the dfference is available takeoff weight. Their older A330-300s are not the improved and higher gross weight model. EI-DUZ is an A330-302X, and should have the same amount of range as these newer ones.

Vs. their A330-200s? Not all of them are the absolute max MTOW offered, but they're all 230t or better. Not much new range coming/

NS


User currently offlineEI564 From Ireland, joined May 2007, 373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6524 times:

Ahhh thanks. Interesting.  Smile

User currently offlineTrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4768 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6445 times:
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Quoting Teme82 (Reply 12):
Can some one share more light on that engine? I would like to see some figures about it.

http://www.easa.eu.int/doc/Certifica...ro/Engines/TCDS_CF6_80E1_E_007.pdf


User currently offlineTeme82 From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 1525 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6343 times:
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Quoting Gigneil (Reply 15):
Nope. The E does not exist.

Can you share some more light because AY is saying that their A333's and A343's are the E variant.....


Trex8@ Thanks  Smile



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User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2391 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6240 times:
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Same case as the A340 actually. The A340-300X became A340-300E with the first A340 was delivered to Swiss IIRC. Since then all the newly produced A340-300 are "Enhanced" models of the -300X variant. Those improvements are mainly MTOW related I assume. Nothing to do with LCD screens of the cockpit or overhead bins !!

About the A330, same thing. The latest A333 delivered are now all -300E and no longer -300X. So it is the case for some OZ, QR, CX, ... birds that were produced in second half of 2007. And I assume those enhancements are also MTOW/performance related.

Any info about this subject is always welcome !!


FB.



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User currently offlineAviationbuff From India, joined Mar 2008, 1425 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6153 times:

A330 Could See 6% Dip In Maintenance Costs

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...%20Maintenance%20Costs&channel=mro

Quote:
Further increases in Airbus A330/A340 airframe maintenance intervals, combined with technology upgrades in Pratt & Whitney PW4000 engines, could result in a 6% decrease in direct maintenance costs for A330s powered by upgraded versions of the 100-inch, PW4168 powerplants, according to Stuart Colin, vice president of marketing for Airbus.



User currently offlineTrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4768 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5964 times:
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Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 19):
Those improvements are mainly MTOW related I assume. Nothing to do with LCD screens of the cockpit or overhead bins !!

the latest E versions are not MTOW related changes, they are systems (avionics, engine maintenance etc).
in the mid/late 90s there was an E version of the A343 which subsequently became the X .


User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9097 posts, RR: 75
Reply 22, posted (6 years 4 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5741 times:



Quoting Trex8 (Reply 10):
where's Zeke when you need him!

I am here....

The A330E bring to the A330 upgrades from the A340-500/600 to the A330 line, all CX A330 aircraft delivered from June 2005 onwards were A330Es (B-LAA onwards).

Some of the differences :
GPCU/AGCU combined to a single GAPCU
Mechanical link to rudder replaced with a electrical signal and some control logic changes similar to A340-500/600
Speed brake can be used with all flap settings
Auto start of one of the electric hydraulic pumps to assist with rudder control under some failure conditions
LCD screens as per the A340-500/600 and newer A320s.
EGPWS mode upgrades and a new peak terrain function
ISIS standby AH with inbuilt bugs and ILS receiver as found on newer A320s and A340-500/600
Backup Speed Scale / Altitude Scale in the case of all 3 ADR being turned off or for invalid data (e,g, ADR probe faulty)
New data loader

In terms of weights, we have 3 general categories of A330s, variable weight, heavy weight, and super heavy weight aircraft. Some of our A330 are super heavy weights (233t MTOW machines ) but not A330Es, i.e. B-HLM-HLW, B-LAA onwards are A330Es and also super heavy weights.



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User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10023 posts, RR: 96
Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5669 times:
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Quoting Aviationbuff (Reply 20):
A330 Could See 6% Dip In Maintenance Costs

Thanks for the link, Aviationbuff.

Quote:
As part of the maturing of the airframe's maintenance program, the structural checks will be escalated to 12-year intervals and the light, often one-day A check interval will be increased to 800 flight hours. There also are plans to increase the C check interval to the the 21- to 24-month range.

Does anyone know how these figures compare with those for the 787?

Rgds


User currently offlineTrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4768 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (6 years 4 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5617 times:
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Quoting Zeke (Reply 22):
Quoting Trex8 (Reply 10):
where's Zeke when you need him!

I am here

thanks!

question, JP fleets shows CXs newer A330s as having the Trent 772 and not the 772B, is this true and why a "downgrade" ?


25 Zeke : As far as I know HLA, HLB, HLC, HLD, HLE, HLF, HLG, HLH, HLI, HLJ, HLK, HLL, LAA, LAB, LAC, LAD, LAE, LAF, LAG, LAH, HYA, HYB, HYD, HYE, HYF have 772
26 Flying Belgian : Thanks ZEKE ! Not really easy to find accurate infos on those features. FB.
27 A342 : IIRC that's only the trim, right? The actual rudder control (as with the elevator and ailerons) has always been FBW, hasn't it?
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