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Singapore Airlines All-J Flights To Newark Begun!  
User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13745 posts, RR: 19
Posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 14934 times:

In Singapore, Singapore Airlines flight SQ022 has just left gate A3 at Singapore Changi Airport Terminal 3.

Early indications show that 82 passengers have settled into their New Business Class Seat which embodies both the Romance of Travel and Travel In A New Light.


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The flight the first transpacific all-Business Class scheduled service.

There is only one Airbus A340-500 in this configuration and it should be 9V-SGD. This aircraft should be in the newer, revised livery.

9V-SGD and the other four Airbus A340-500s were reconfigured from 64 Business Class and 117 Executive Economy Class seats to 100 New Business Class seats. The airline cited "consistently" higher demand for Business Class for this change. It is conceivable that the Airline was not able to extract a satisfactory yield premium from Executive Economy customers. Furthermore, the New Business Class product, also available on board the Boeing 777-300ER and Airbus A380, has been "well-received" and has been "popular".

By the end of June 2008, all flights to Newark (SQ022 / SQ021) should be configured in an all New Business Class configuration. All five aircraft will be reconfigured by late September 2008.

Until then, the Airline probably has to keep hoping that an A340-500 doesn't go AOG or severely tech. It's been lucky so far since March.

Source: some sentences sourced from Singapore Airlines Limited. * Cabin views depicted are of the Boeing 777-300ER which features the same version of the New Business Class as present on 9V-SGD.



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User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 14885 times:



Quoting Singapore_Air (Thread starter):
Early indications show that 82 passengers have settled into their New Business Class Seat which embodies both the Romance of Travel and Travel In A New Light.

That's pretty good load factor for the first flight.

I wonder if this will start a new trend of all business flights by major airlines.


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12595 posts, RR: 34
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 14859 times:

The new J Class seats should add to the attractiveness of this; I would dread 18-20 hours nonstop, but the new seats would certainly help!

Can't imagine being an SQ 345 flight crewmember is one of the most interesting jobs in aviation, though (not that I'd refuse it if someone offered it to me!!!)


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9819 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 14825 times:



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 2):
The new J Class seats should add to the attractiveness of this; I would dread 18-20 hours nonstop, but the new seats would certainly help!

I took the route in business in the old business class seats, and still loved it. It was awesome to be able to have a long flight to eat nicely, sleep in and then eat and watch movies. I got more sleep while flying EWR-SIN than I do on a normal night in my own bed. I had almost no jetlag in Singapore despite the fact that it is a 12 hour time zone change. Unfortunately the timing of the flight back made it a lot more difficult to avoid jetlag.

With that said, I don't think I'll ever take the flight again, but that probably has a lot to do with the fact that I now live in Seattle.



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User currently offlineIronDuke08 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 14666 times:



Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 3):
It was awesome to be able to have a long flight to eat nicely, sleep in and then eat and watch movies.

I agree, I really enjoy 14+ hour flights because I feel like I have enough time to relax. I like to take my time with the meal, get at least 6-7 hours of sleep and also watch movies, and when the flight's shorter I feel like I have to cut into one...


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21583 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 14618 times:

Those pictures look like a college word processor lab circa 1975. I would imagine the pitch must be greater and the seats narrower in the A345, because the 77W is wider and the layout as shown barely fits.

Quoting Singapore_Air (Thread starter):
Source: some sentences sourced from Singapore Airlines Limited.

Just so you know, in the USA this is a clear violation of copyright, but I don't know about Singapore.



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User currently offlineHodja From Singapore, joined Apr 2004, 91 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 14614 times:
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Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 3):
I took the route in business in the old business class seats

I've flown SIN-EWR in both business and exec economy.

Actually, exec economy is just fine! Remember that it's much roomier than ordinary economy. The only bummer would be the middle seat. (it's 2-3-2 in exec eco).

Considering the price differential and marginal difference to the seat in business (at least with the old seats, haven't tried the new ones yet) I'd personally choose exec eco anytime. Too bad it's being phased out.

Incidentially, for me the SIN-US nonstops are a life saver - sure, it's a long flight. But you get there nonstop as quickly and painfully as possible, with minimum hassle.

[Edited 2008-05-14 21:30:28]

User currently offlineAfterburner From Indonesia, joined Jun 2005, 1220 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 14576 times:

Will SQ's A345s still fly to CGK?

User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4757 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 14247 times:



Quoting Hodja (Reply 6):
But you get there nonstop as quickly and painfully as possible, with minimum hassle.

Huh? Painful?

Quoting Afterburner (Reply 7):
Will SQ's A345s still fly to CGK?

They have been removed from the schedules to CGK. Sad huh?



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User currently offlineNicholaschee From Australia, joined Oct 2005, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 14181 times:



Quoting Afterburner (Reply 7):
Will SQ's A345s still fly to CGK?



Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 8):
They have been removed from the schedules to CGK. Sad huh?

Did a couple of dummy bookings. SIN-CGK-SIN is in the schedule.  Smile


User currently offlineFlyjetstar From Australia, joined Feb 2006, 959 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 14125 times:



Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 8):
They have been removed from the schedules to CGK. Sad huh?

On the SQ website the A345 is still there right up to October. Is this yet to be updated?


User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13745 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 14017 times:

SQ954 / SQ955 seems to be the only scheduled A340-500 but you get a few aircraft changes, mainly to the B773, because maybe one of the other four that is meant to be doing it needs a bit of downtimes.

And then, it looks like it goes all J to CGK back to normal as SQ954/SQ955 and SQ962/SQ963. Though it'll be interesting if to see if they attempt a yield premium for those flights. The timing of SQ962 is quite popular.




Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 5):
Just so you know, in the USA this is a clear violation of copyright,

Really? I only quoted three words and they were in quotation marks. Is it that strict?!  Confused  Confused



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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 13775 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 5):
Those pictures look like a college word processor lab circa 1975.

LOL I thought exactly the same thing!



(pic courtesy of Harvard Law School)

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 5):
Just so you know, in the USA this is a clear violation of copyright, but I don't know about Singapore.

Here too I think.

Quoting Singapore_Air (Thread starter):
embodies both the Romance of Travel and Travel In A New Light.

Grrrr. Get over it dude.



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 13692 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 5):
Those pictures look like a college word processor lab circa 1975



Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 12):
LOL I thought exactly the same thing!

Is it possible that during the 1970's people used to use these word processing devices onboard and as such this is why some safety demo's still state that "All word processing devices should now be switched off"?

If so then could this be why SQ have gone for this look in their new J class in an effort to 'Bring back the romance of travel'? Big grin



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User currently offlineJWMD123 From Ireland, joined May 2006, 867 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 13524 times:



Quoting IronDuke08 (Reply 4):
I agree, I really enjoy 14+ hour flights because I feel like I have enough time to relax. I like to take my time with the meal, get at least 6-7 hours of sleep and also watch movies, and when the flight's shorter I feel like I have to cut into one...

I agree. I done SIN-LAX on an A345 with SQ in 2006 in exec economy and have to say it was excellent. Great seat pitch, comfortable seat, good food and decent movies. The flight went really quick.

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 2):
Can't imagine being an SQ 345 flight crewmember is one of the most interesting jobs in aviation, though (not that I'd refuse it if someone offered it to me!!!)

I remember speaking to the cabin manager on the SIN-LAX flight I was on and he seemed to really enjoy his job. He got about 3-4 days in LAX and would only do the route about twice a month.

I kind of understand SQ's logic in doing the all J class as yields from exec econ would not be great. I got my leg on a RTW ticket and cost was ok.


User currently offlineHodja From Singapore, joined Apr 2004, 91 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 12352 times:
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Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 8):
Huh? Painful?

 Smile

(I meant painlessly of course...)


User currently offlineDavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 12239 times:

Looks like this route is doing well, and I can only imagine they aren't looking to drop it with the increased J cabin.

Dave



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User currently offlineAri From UK - England, joined May 2005, 131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11760 times:

Is the J Class configuration on the A345 1-2-1 like the B77W??? I thought the cabin width of the A345 was narrower than the B777 no??

ari


User currently offlineTylerDurden From United States of America, joined May 2008, 852 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 11628 times:

There new business class seats may be groundbreaking...but they are also butt breaking in turbulence. There is a lot a side-to-side movement you have to brace for...it's almost comical if you have a drink in your hand.

Thankfully, that is typically only on climb and descent. The best feature is that they are almost totally private from other flyers. No need to even extend a greeting or needless chitchat.

Quoting Singapore_Air (Thread starter):
embodies both the Romance of Travel and Travel In A New Light.

It's neither, it's just your ass in seat in a metal tube for 15 hours or so....no reason to glorify it.

Oh, and put back the centerline bins. That way, there would be enough overhead space so that most, if not all Biz pax would never have to check a bag.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21583 posts, RR: 59
Reply 19, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 11574 times:



Quoting Singapore_Air (Reply 11):
Really? I only quoted three words and they were in quotation marks. Is it that strict?!

No, if you chose 3 words, no. But that isn't what you said. You said you mixed complete sentences with your paragraphs, and yes, that is not right. You must specifically attribute the quotes to the source.

Sorry for the confusion, but having just taken another seminar on copyright law, it is very obvious that many here on a.net violate copyright by misunderstanding fair use, and a.net can be held liable for our actions by not preventing it.



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User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Reply 20, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 11416 times:

I have taken the TG LAX-BKK in J class several times, and have found the seat/flight to be comfortable. TG's J product is not as good as SQ's, but a good value for $3,200 RT on LAX-BKK-MAA. Please note that I buy the ticket in MAA, and the routing is MAA-BKK-LAX-BKK-MAA.

I would think LAX-SIN-MAA RT on SQ in new J will be close to $6,000-$8,000. Is that about right?


User currently offlineSASDC8 From Norway, joined Mar 2006, 770 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 11019 times:
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Quoting Ari (Reply 17):
Is the J Class configuration on the A345 1-2-1 like the B77W??? I thought the cabin width of the A345 was narrower than the B777 no??

SQ's own web page shows the configuration to be 1-2-1 with the new style business class seats. In the back it is actually 1-1-1  Smile

http://www.singaporeair.com/saa/Util...ame=A340-500&equipment=345&index=1

It does not say anything about the width of seat though..

Cheers
Stein



2-3-2 is NOT a premium configuration
User currently offlinePylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 10656 times:

There was a topic about the route of this flight.
Could anyone please refer me to it?

I remember that it flies SIN-EWR via North Pole and eastward while going back. Due to prevailing winds.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26005 posts, RR: 22
Reply 23, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 9881 times:



Quoting Pylon101 (Reply 22):
There was a topic about the route of this flight.
Could anyone please refer me to it?

I remember that it flies SIN-EWR via North Pole and eastward while going back. Due to prevailing winds.

I don't believe that's correct. I believe from SIN it usually takes the usual transpacific route over Japan, Alaska and Canada to benefit from the prevailing westerly winds and jetstreams. On the return trip it either uses the Polar route close to the North Pole and over Russia and China, or depending on winds it may also use the transatlantic route over Europe which is slightly further but may be faster with westerly winds. Winds are usually not as strong via the Polar route..


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9819 posts, RR: 52
Reply 24, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 9733 times:



Quoting Hodja (Reply 6):

Considering the price differential and marginal difference to the seat in business (at least with the old seats, haven't tried the new ones yet) I'd personally choose exec eco anytime. Too bad it's being phased out.

When I flew the route I think the business class fare was only about $5,000, which isn't bad when you compare it to many other long haul fares. Now, I can't imagine taking that flight for a vacation and paying for it with my own money. I certainly didn't pay for my ticket when I took that route and wouldn't be as happy if I was sent in economy. I was happy to take the flight though and that it was one of the options I got to choose from when using the company travel agent. I think most people on that flight are going for business, and one perk of traveling on business is that on a flight like that, you usually don't fly economy, so it does make sense to have an all business class flight.

I wonder how much cargo they can take on it now since there are fewer passengers. Although it might be more economical to put cargo through JFK and FRA.



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25 MaverickM11 : I'm curious to see how this pans out. The market for a nonstop is so thin that I'm not sure it's big enough to support that many J seats, nevermind th
26 Norcal773 : I gotta agree, the seat is quite hard and uncomfortable on the 'sitting' position. I've taken it six times and each time I am always hoping it'd get
27 Post contains links Singapore_Air : CNBC USA (CNBC) did a short piece on SQ022 / SQ021. This video shows 9V-SGD in new livery and note the iPod and iPhone port in New Business Class! "Cu
28 SeaBosDca : New York is big, but not that big...
29 Ikramerica : Nice. How many F/As do they put on this new flight? Is there a crew rest downstairs? What's the staff to pax ratio during meal services?
30 Singapore_Air : I'd probably have to wait until next week to find that out for you. Will put it on my to-do list!
31 Davescj : The only thing I can think of, connections to somewhere? Going into Newark, not exactly a hotbed of *A, I don't know where it would be but.....? Poss
32 United1 : Speaking of J-class, does anyone know if the A330s are going to be outfitted with these seats or are they going to come up with a new regional J-class
33 Norcal773 : My bad, I meant New York area-SIN, LAX-SIN and LHR-SIN. The A330's will be short-haul planes so they definately won't have these seats and I dunno if
34 Airbazar : These flights serve both O&D and connections beyond SIN. Without the non-stop service SQ is at a disadvantage against the competition that offers 1-s
35 RoseFlyer : SQ isn't really looking for connections in Newark. There's enough O/D. When I flew the route, there were three of us that connected in from Chicago o
36 Airbazar : I agree that SQ is not looking for connections at EWR however the codeshare between SQ and UA is totaly irrelevant. They are both *A carriers and as
37 ConcordeBoy : Yeah, but don't be fooled into thinking 1) they don't utilize them, significantly and 2) that they only stick with *A carriers (which they dont)
38 Tsentsan : Other than SGD that did the inaugural flights, which other A345 has been converted to the all J class? I would think they need at least 2 to sustain d
39 Singapore_Air : Tsentsan, at the moment, it looks like EWR is being operated every two or three days. So tomorrow (17 May) (I suggest you look at that load!) it's ope
40 Nimish : AFAIK - The plan was to come up with a new regional J for the 330s
41 LX64A332 : mate, that route hasn't been operating in YEARS !
42 Viscount724 : When they dropped the ORD route it was operating SIN-AMS-ORD.
43 Post contains images AlitaliaMD11 : Here is a picture of 9V-SGD arriving into EWR yesterday:
44 Singapore_Air : Fantastic photo AlitaliaMD11 ! It's still hard to tell but it seems to look good. I saw the depiction in the SilverKris magazine and thought it was g
45 Oasis : Personally, I think its a pretty stupid idea. I don't understand the concept of having an all business class configuration of a plane. I don't see the
46 Singapore_Air : Firstly, congratulations for your intrigue - it is very nice to see young people interested in airlines and airline operations. Before, Singapore Air
47 SQ772 : I couldn't fathom you thought process when you wrote the above and didn't quite have a clue what you were getting at initially. I hope Singapore_Air'
48 Docpepz : Singapore_Air, besides the award winning new business class seat, you forgot to add that the A345 all-J service will allow passengers to enjoy the RO
49 Oasis : Singapore_Air, thank you for clearing it up for me, I understand now
50 FlyingClrs727 : I bet there aren't many first class products that are as good as Singapore Airlines' new business class.
51 Ryanair!!! : There aren't many airlines as good as Singapore Airlines! PERIOD!
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