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Question About Checked Or Carry On Guitar  
User currently offlineBanjo76 From Italy, joined Apr 2008, 189 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3385 times:

Hi everybody,

I'll be flying PBI-IAH, IAH-SEA, (with CO) YVR-AMS, AMS-VCE (with KL) at the end of the month.
I'm a FlyingBlue Platinum member and unfrtunately I'll be flying Y.
My questions are:
I have to take a guitar with me for a friend, this guitar comes with a huge hard case that is 61"x16"x5".
Is it safe o have the guitar for 4 flights instead of the usual 2 that I have when going back to Italy (I'll be flying again to VCE end of June, only 2 flights).
Will I be able to carry it on on all flights?
If not as I guess, what are my options?
I'm a bit concerned to check it for all the handling/temperature drop in cargo section (right?).
Should I just check the case (with my smelly underwear in it) and buy a separate smaller soft carrying case to carry the guitar with me on board?

I tried to contact KL and CO but they were kind of a pain in the butt, not very helpful nor explanatory really, especially CO telling me that it does not make any difference the platinum elite status for checked luggage with them (it's not true !!! it does make difference, I should be able to check 3 75 lbs bags instead of 2 50 lbs).

Thanks

Banjo

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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12250 posts, RR: 35
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3380 times:
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As far as the guitar, it more than likely won't fit in the overheads. Leave it in the hardshell case, and check it. It'll be just fine, we handle instruments all the time.


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User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5638 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3374 times:

Most airlines allow a musical instrument to be carried with you to the gate, where it will be given a Valet tag, put in the hold, and returned to you at the gate at the next stop. However, if you check it at the ticket counter, it generally counts as an extra piece of baggage.

The temperature/pressure changes shouldn't affect the guitar (other than probably requiring retuning).

Oh, and stick with the hard case no matter what you decide to do. We rampers do the best we can that it stays on top, but stuff shifts in flight.



"PHX is Phoenix, PDX is the other city" -777Way
User currently offlineAgentXE1225 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 166 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3356 times:



Quoting Banjo76 (Thread starter):
I should be able to check 3 75 lbs bags

A small but potentially important detail that I feel needs to be clarified: the maximum weight for any checked bag on CO is 70lbs, not 75. Other than that, have a great trip, and do not even consider anything other than a protective hardshell case for the guitar. Most of us do our best to be careful with fragile items, but if you as the passenger do not take the necessary precautions to protect a fragile instrument, it is entirely possible that the airlines will not accept liability for any damage incurred unless there has been obvious mishandling on their part. So, pack wisely and have fun!


User currently offlineBrenintw From Taiwan, joined Jul 2006, 1644 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3350 times:

My guitar flew JNB - TPE in it's hard case. I checked it in at JNB and picked it up at TPE (I don't remember which airline). It arrived just fine.

Whatever you do, do NOT go with the soft case -- that's a recipe for disaster.



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User currently offlineUshermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2965 posts, RR: 16
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3345 times:



Quoting Banjo76 (Thread starter):
I tried to contact KL and CO but they were kind of a pain in the butt, not very helpful nor explanatory really, especially CO telling me that it does not make any difference the platinum elite status for checked luggage with them (it's not true !!! it does make difference, I should be able to check 3 75 lbs bags instead of 2 50 lbs).

This is actually not true. The only time you will be allowed 3 70lbs. bags is when you fly in a premium cabin. You don't even get 2 70lbs. bags on either CO or DL, just NW will let you do that (if you are lucky).



Where have all the tri-jets gone...
User currently offlineAgentXE1225 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 166 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3338 times:



Quoting Ushermittwoch (Reply 5):
You don't even get 2 70lbs. bags on either CO or DL, just NW will let you do that (if you are lucky).

Straight from Continental.com:

Certain customers are exempt from paying the new fee and will be allowed to check second bags free of charge (bags must meet weight and size restrictions). These customers include:

OnePass Elite members
SkyTeam Elite and Elite Plus members
Any customer traveling on a ticket purchased in Y class of service
Continental Airlines Presidential Plus credit card holders
Active military personnel traveling on orders
Any customer traveling to/from Brazil or the Dominican Republic
First Class, BusinessFirst and International Business Class 3 Checked Bags


I'd say if Banjo is ridin' up front, he's good to go with 3 70 pounders.

P.S. It's usually easier to get info from the airline websites than calling unless you're at the airport already!


User currently offlineUshermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2965 posts, RR: 16
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3333 times:



Quoting AgentXE1225 (Reply 6):
Quoting Ushermittwoch (Reply 5):
You don't even get 2 70lbs. bags on either CO or DL, just NW will let you do that (if you are lucky).

Straight from Continental.com:

Certain customers are exempt from paying the new fee and will be allowed to check second bags free of charge (bags must meet weight and size restrictions). These customers include:

OnePass Elite members
SkyTeam Elite and Elite Plus members
Any customer traveling on a ticket purchased in Y class of service
Continental Airlines Presidential Plus credit card holders
Active military personnel traveling on orders
Any customer traveling to/from Brazil or the Dominican Republic
First Class, BusinessFirst and International Business Class 3 Checked Bags


I'd say if Banjo is ridin' up front, he's good to go with 3 70 pounders.

P.S. It's usually easier to get info from the airline websites than calling unless you're at the airport already!

He said he is riding coach.  Wink
And I am aware that he gets to take two bags free of charge, but they can only weigh 50lbs. each.



Where have all the tri-jets gone...
User currently offlineAgentXE1225 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 166 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3326 times:

Oops. Missed that one  Silly Whose FF program would FlyingBlue Platinum belong to? I've never encountered that one.

User currently offlineUshermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2965 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3320 times:

It's AF/KL and runs as SkyTeam Elite Plus.


Where have all the tri-jets gone...
User currently offlineGc2 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2008, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3311 times:

I actually flew with CO from Orlando to Gatwick via EWR with a Gibson Melody Maker in a gig bag. All the flights were rammed but they were really happy for me to take it onboard and out it in the overhead. On the transatlantic leg they actually put it in the first class closet.  Smile

User currently offlineBanjo76 From Italy, joined Apr 2008, 189 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3278 times:

Thanks for all the advice guys.
Now I have better ideas on what to do.

Quoting Ushermittwoch (Reply 5):
This is actually not true. The only time you will be allowed 3 70lbs. bags is when you fly in a premium cabin. You don't even get 2 70lbs. bags on either CO or DL, just NW will let you do that (if you are lucky).

Actually I,ve already done it with AF, KL, and DL, always flying Y and at no extra charge, I was told it's related to the Flying Elite status.

Banjo


User currently offlineFoxecho From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 747 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3261 times:

BTW having worked baggage service I would HIGHLY suggest the strings be loosened if its going to be riding in the hold, I've seen more than my share of guitars with the necks broken because of tight strings and pressure changes...

Andrew



..uh, we'll need that to live......
User currently offlineAircellist From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1719 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3245 times:

Travelling with instruments can be a pain...

In fact, what does the most damage to (bowed) instruments is a sudden an large humidity change. I believe aircraft holds are pretty dry places...

On that respect, guitars are not entirely made like bowed instruments, but it's close. Loosening the strings, as Foxecho says, may be a good idea, no clue on that respect.

BUT... If any airline executive is reading this, we musicians would LOVE to have a carrier propose a comprehensive package for our instruments. It is sometimes impossible to get permission to carry the cello to the gate and have the valet service, depending on airline/airport. And, honestly, to see the instrument go and come on the roller for the ordinary luggage is not pleasant, when you know that a can of food that you carry in you ordinary luggage can be dented at the end of the trip... But, to me, the worst moment was when the cello missed the connection!!! And, to a colleague, when it hit the tarmac after falling from the luggage cart and the case opened... (my friend saw it happen from the window seat...)

Thanks AgentXE, to take care of our fragile items, but, as you say, the company will not accept liability over 400$, per Warsaw or Chicago convention (forgot which), so, Banjo, pack well and INSURE YOUR GUITAR, just in case.

And have a nice trip too!


User currently offlineAgentXE1225 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 166 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3203 times:

Hey Aircellist, I've actually checked in passengers that PURCHASED a seat for their cellos! I don't know if there was any sort of discount though, but if the instrument is that important, it's not a bad idea!  idea 

User currently offlineHiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2172 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3200 times:

Folks...they may be able to bring guitars back up outside the US but in the US the only checked luggage allowed to come back up the jetway are passenger assistance devices....strollers, wchrs, walkers.

User currently offlineFoxecho From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 747 posts, RR: 17
Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3176 times:



Quoting AgentXE1225 (Reply 14):
I've actually checked in passengers that PURCHASED a seat for their cellos! I

AgentXE-

The extra seat will be sold at the same fare as the other seat  Smile at least at my airline

Andrew
JFK/MEM/MCI



..uh, we'll need that to live......
User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5638 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3173 times:



Quoting Hiflyer (Reply 15):
Folks...they may be able to bring guitars back up outside the US but in the US the only checked luggage allowed to come back up the jetway are passenger assistance devices....strollers, wchrs, walkers.

Only upon first arrival into the US, and it sounds like he's not coming back anytime soon. We can (and do nearly every flight) bring up a first class passenger's bag which didn't fit in the overhead, guitars, and other fragile items.



"PHX is Phoenix, PDX is the other city" -777Way
User currently offlineAircellist From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1719 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3139 times:



Quoting AgentXE1225 (Reply 14):
Hey Aircellist, I've actually checked in passengers that PURCHASED a seat for their cellos! I don't know if there was any sort of discount though, but if the instrument is that important, it's not a bad idea!

Yes. Rostropovitch used to travel that way... So did I, a few times.

Small difference: he used to go in first...

Even with a purchased tickets, it's not always easy to bring a cello in an airplane. I've sometimes been looked at in an unpleasant way by ticket and gate agents as well as F/As. Also, a friend of mine, on tour in the USA, had to send her cello in the hold, even though the producers had bought tickets for the cellos (it may be on AC, not sure about that).

Quoting Foxecho (Reply 16):

The extra seat will be sold at the same fare as the other seat Smile at least at my airline

Depends... Some times, my cello had to pay more than me! (I'm talking about AC, back in the '80s; I could benefit from APEX or super APEX fares, and not the instrument).


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