BP1 From United States, joined Aug 2007, 343 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (2 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2480 times:
From the press release, the Agreement appears to become live at the end of the Summer season. I was wondering how long this would take between these two carriers because of the long UA relationship with AQ and the competition HA has with UA on certain HNL - Mainland USA flights.
DaCubbyBearBar From United States, joined Apr 2008, 57 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (2 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2187 times:
I wonder if this was the great news for HA that HALFA was referring to that he couldn't tell us about. This really solidifies HA on the interisland as now there is no way that UA backs go! or tries interisland themselves.
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HALFA From United States, joined Jan 2004, 966 posts, RR: 9 Reply 7, posted (2 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2182 times:
Ok gang, do you remember last month on the other HA threads when I said there was more good news coming from HA but that I couldn't tell you until it was announced? Well it's now been announced!
I said the news wouldn't make JO happy and I'm sure he's not. HA now has inter-island code share agreements with NW, CO, AA, DL, and now UA. (And KE and VS)
Expect more news soon about additional aircraft to the HA fleet, and as mentioned earlier, the 767 that we are looking at is indeed from AC, and if acquired, will be initially used to fly the inter-island flights to OGG. Our maintenance team is currently inspecting the aircraft and will make a decision soon.
And even more good news, the new MNL flight loads are really picking up for the summer!
Aloha,
HALFA
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HALFA From United States, joined Jan 2004, 966 posts, RR: 9 Reply 8, posted (2 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2162 times:
Quoting DaCubbyBearBar (Reply 6): I wonder if this was the great news for HA that HALFA was referring to that he couldn't tell us about. This really solidifies HA on the inter-island as now there is no way that UA backs go! or tries inter-island themselves.
You posted this while I was typing my previous reply! Yes, you are correct! This is the good news I was referring to, and yes, it pretty much wraps up all the mainland feed to our inter-island operations. This is GREAT news for HA!
Aloha,
HALFA
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777fan From United States, joined Jan 2006, 1662 posts, RR: 2 Reply 9, posted (2 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2078 times:
Quoting BP1 (Reply 4): because of the long UA relationship with AQ and the competition HA has with UA on certain HNL - Mainland USA flights.
A win-win. Perhaps UA will be able to free up some birds by dropping some dailies between the West Coast and LIH or by funneling everything into HNL (and then on HA).
Quoting HALFA (Reply 7): Well it's now been announced!
Great news - Mrs. 777fan and I always opted for HA while living in the Islands even though it meant not earning UA MP through AQ. Congrats.
777fan
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" - Edmund Burke
Aloha717200 From United States, joined Aug 2003, 3381 posts, RR: 9 Reply 10, posted (2 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1968 times:
This is excellent news, and could mean the beginning of the end for GO. I fail to see how GO's business plan continues to make sense as the economy worsens, Mesa's financial state declines, the division continues to bleed money, load factors are small, and now, pretty much all of their options for a mainland codeshare partner have dried up.
I'm not one to like to see airlines go, and I'm sure that it will be sad for Mesa's employees, but the way JO conducted this operation was shady from the start and killing off Aloha is the lone reason I'd be happy to see Go disappear.
Question about the codeshares....when a codeshare seat is sold, don't the earnings from that sale go directly to the partner? Or is the revenue split between the airlines? For example, if a pax books an HNL-LIH segment on HA through UA, does the revenue go entirely to UA for that seat?
With HA codesharing with everyone, I wonder if that actually in the long run reduces the overall profitability of their interisland flights by having to give some of that revenue to other carriers. I also wonder what it means for HA's long term growth to the mainland as they are now codesharing with everyone that provides mainland-hawaii lift, and yet competing with them all as well. Interesting.
ThreeIfByAir From United States, joined Aug 2007, 251 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (2 months 4 days ago) and read 1728 times:
Quoting Aloha717200 (Reply 10): Question about the codeshares....when a codeshare seat is sold, don't the earnings from that sale go directly to the partner? Or is the revenue split between the airlines? For example, if a pax books an HNL-LIH segment on HA through UA, does the revenue go entirely to UA for that seat?
Why would HA give seats to UA for free?
Quoting 777fan (Reply 9): A win-win. Perhaps UA will be able to free up some birds by dropping some dailies between the West Coast and LIH or by funneling everything into HNL (and then on HA).
Those niche routes are probably better yielding than HNL-mainland because there is less competition, and they also allow many passengers to avoid double-connecting. For example, UA can route passengers FAT-SFO-LIH, instead of FAT-SFO-HNL-LIH. UA's network has dozens of other examples like that.
Quoting Aloha717200 (Reply 10): Question about the codeshares....when a codeshare seat is sold, don't the earnings from that sale go directly to the partner? Or is the revenue split between the airlines? For example, if a pax books an HNL-LIH segment on HA through UA, does the revenue go entirely to UA for that seat?
HA gets all the money. In the codesharing relationship the airline operating the flight gets the revenue from the fare collected. In this case, that is HA receiving $$$$ from tickets sold by AA, DL, CO, NW and now UA (plus a few others). The benefit for the legacies in this arrangement is that they can offer routes that they are incapable of serving and also allow their frequent flyers to earn/redeem miles on HA interisland flights.
Quoting 777fan (Reply 9): A win-win. Perhaps UA will be able to free up some birds by dropping some dailies between the West Coast and LIH or by funneling everything into HNL (and then on HA).
I don't see why they would. They could have while they codeshared with AQ, but didn't. I don't see why/how a partnership with HA would make this any more (or less) appealing.
Remember that neighbor island non-stops generally have higher yields than HNL flights.
-Aloha!
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UA2162 From United States, joined Apr 2004, 431 posts, RR: 2 Reply 14, posted (2 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1613 times:
Quoting HALFA (Reply 7): Ok gang, do you remember last month on the other HA threads when I said there was more good news coming from HA but that I couldn't tell you until it was announced?
I remember as the anticipation has been building each day.
Looking at my username and knowing that I am a former AQ employee should tell you just how happy I am!
Pohakuloa From United States, joined Jun 2006, 136 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (2 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1611 times:
Quoting HALFA (Reply 7): Expect more news soon about additional aircraft to the HA fleet, and as mentioned earlier, the 767 that we are looking at is indeed from AC, and if acquired, will be initially used to fly the inter-island flights to OGG. Our maintenance team is currently inspecting the aircraft and will make a decision soon.
And even more good news, the new MNL flight loads are really picking up for the summer!
so if that bit of info is true (from other thread) lay flat seats even if only temporarily from HNL-OGG????
sounds yummy!!!
great news for HA all around with MNL filling up as well! looking forward to additional fleet news from you...as always!
HALFA From United States, joined Jan 2004, 966 posts, RR: 9 Reply 17, posted (2 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1548 times:
Quoting Pohakuloa (Reply 15): so if that bit of info is true (from other thread) lay flat seats even if only temporarily from HNL-OGG????
sounds yummy!!!
Quoting Pictues (Reply 16): i would think that the one AC is offering is one of the non XMed B767's probably one of the 6 doored B767-300's
According to our CEO in a conference call to all employees last week, he joked that should we take delivery of the 767 from AC, we would be the only airline operating inter-island flights with lie-flat F class seats! I'm not familiar with the AC fleet, but Mr. Dunkerley (HA's CEO) said the aircraft in question has lie-flat seats up front.
Quoting Ha763 (Reply 13): Quoting HALFA (Reply 7):
HA now has inter-island code share agreements with NW, CO, AA, DL, and now UA. (And KE and VS)
Don't forget about US.
For some reason, I thought that we dropped our code-share with US?!?!
Aloha,
HALFA
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