Acidradio From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1855 posts, RR: 10 Posted (5 years 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6186 times:
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This evening around 2300 local I saw a NW 744 (I think it was a 744, it was too dark to see) out on 30L with all sorts of fire trucks surrounding it. Later it was towed off the runway to G4. At G4, the mechanics had the #1 engine cowlings opened. Anyone know any details?
Ouch. Thats got to hurt to get as far as the BC coast and then turn back. Looks as though they made another turn southwest, probably to try and land at SEA, then decided to veer back towards MSP. I bet the PAX weren't happy, but personally I'd be happy to turn back if there's an mx issue.
Davescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2244 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6048 times:
Quoting Halophila (Reply 3): probably to try and land at SEA, then decided to veer back towards MSP.
Large mechanical facility at MSP I would think, no? Also, as the flight was intended for NRT and on to Manila, I'd think if they had to put people up over night, they'd have a better chance at putting people on other flights (assuming they don't have a "spare" 744 to put on the route instantly).
PSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 6874 posts, RR: 29 Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 week 2 days ago) and read 5778 times:
After yesterday's flight returned to MSP, they flight has been delayed 24 hours until 3:00pm CST.
Today they will be flying "wingtip" MSP-NRT 744 Flight 19's. Yesterday and Today's flight 19 will depart at nearly the same time. Remember that on Saturdays NW has 2 MSP-NRT flights leaving within 20 minutes of each other, so the same thing will essentially happen today.
These type of delays where they postpone until the next day happen often on international routes due to the arrival times, time changes, and onward connections.
Once they understood the situation in the air and in conversation with maintenance & dispatch they probably agreed that returning to MSP made more sense than SEA. SEA doesn't do 744 maintenance, plus all that would be potentially available would be an A330-200 (if it wasn't in maintenance). In MSP NW can round up a spare 744 and crews, and originating passengers can at least go home until the next day. In SEA, everyone is stuck.
Spacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3251 posts, RR: 14 Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5380 times:
Quoting Halophila (Reply 3): Ouch. Thats got to hurt to get as far as the BC coast and then turn back. Looks as though they made another turn southwest, probably to try and land at SEA, then decided to veer back towards MSP.
I think that's just an anomaly in the data. Flightaware isn't perfect - notice it also says the altitude is 99990 feet. They obviously got one piece of data that was way off the flight path and they just plotted it that way. That flight path wouldn't make any sense at all, even if they had turned towards SEA at one point. It's not like a highway; they don't have to return all the way back to the original flight path if they then decide to go to MSP instead. They can fly more or less straight to MSP from wherever they happen to be.
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Davescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2244 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5263 times:
Quoting Spacecadet (Reply 7): Flightaware isn't perfect - notice it also says the altitude is 99990 feet
You mean a 744 doesn't fly that high?
That said, I think NW made the most logical choice given the circumstances. I know if I had the option, I'd rather sleep in my own bed than at a hotel.
What will be the "new" flight #, since obviously there will not be 2 NW 19s in the air at the same time.
CBPhoto From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1508 posts, RR: 6 Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3364 times:
Quoting Davescj (Reply 8): What will be the "new" flight #, since obviously there will not be 2 NW 19s in the air at the same time
Well...There actually could be two 19s at once, except one will take a letter at the end of the flight number. For example, Northwest 19 "Delta" Heavy. Not saying thats what they will do, but it has been done before many times and technically it still is a NWA 19
TLG From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 324 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2799 times:
Quoting Davescj (Reply 8): What will be the "new" flight #, since obviously there will not be 2 NW 19s in the air at the same time.
I remember a number of years ago I was booked on NW67 from AMS-DTW, and apparantly the flight from the day before had been delayed, as it was leaving about an hour or so before mine. In the boarding call they announced it as, "Yesterday's NW67." I don't recall any letter at the end of the flight number.
AEroc From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 310 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2415 times:
Im not sure how many 74's NWA has but AA has gone ahead and landed in ANC and sent another 777 to continue the flight. I dont want to know what those pax where thinking when they just had a 7 hr sight seeing tour of Canada and then have another, what 15hr flight to NRT after a 24 hr delay in MSP? To tally it up its going to be about a 46 hr trip if you were just going from MSP-NRT. Not good!
DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 16824 posts, RR: 57 Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2291 times:
Quoting AEroc (Reply 11): Im not sure how many 74's NWA has but AA has gone ahead and landed in ANC and sent another 777 to continue the flight. I dont want to know what those pax where thinking when they just had a 7 hr sight seeing tour of Canada and then have another, what 15hr flight to NRT after a 24 hr delay in MSP? To tally it up its going to be about a 46 hr trip if you were just going from MSP-NRT. Not good!
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N68TLCaptain From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 58 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2250 times:
I cant tell for sure because of flightaware's sketchy details but If this is really what happened I would like to question the pilots judgment and his emergency training. If he had an emergency he would have either gone direct to SEA, or the closest suitable airport. Turning around from SEA and going all the way back to MSP means more time in the air, and when you have an emergency thats usually the last thing you want. I dont know all the details and maybe flightaware was just wrong, but who knows.
Star_world From Ireland, joined Jun 2001, 1234 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2214 times:
Quoting AEroc (Reply 11): I dont want to know what those pax where thinking when they just had a 7 hr sight seeing tour of Canada and then have another, what 15hr flight to NRT after a 24 hr delay in MSP? To tally it up its going to be about a 46 hr trip if you were just going from MSP-NRT. Not good!
More like 12hrs MSP-NRT. Making it a 36hr trip, not 46. Not ideal obviously but these things happen occasionally!
CBPhoto From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1508 posts, RR: 6 Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1919 times:
Quoting TLG (Reply 10): I remember a number of years ago I was booked on NW67 from AMS-DTW, and apparantly the flight from the day before had been delayed, as it was leaving about an hour or so before mine. In the boarding call they announced it as, "Yesterday's NW67." I don't recall any letter at the end of the flight number
Hey TLG, I meant to say ATC would use the alphanumerical letter for the call sign, not for boarding or PAX use! Sorry for the confusion!
Quoting CBPhoto (Reply 9): For example, Northwest 19 "Delta" Heavy
Quoting WestWing (Reply 13): The filed flight plans for NWA19 and NWA19D differ slightly even though the flights left 15 minutes apart.
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