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Sukhoi Superjet 100 Rejected Yet Very Cool Livery  
User currently offlineEYKD From Russia, joined Dec 2006, 190 posts, RR: 1
Posted (5 years 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 13323 times:

Yesterday I attended presentation of Russian Industrial Design Bureau Astra Rossa. It was dedicated to Sukhoi Superjet 100 roll-out livery project. The presentation included a couple of livery projects that was rejected. Take a look at this one with Sukhoi Su-27 fighter silhouette.

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As said this livery was very warmly welcomed but finally rejected due to its explicit military motifs.

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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21029 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 13291 times:



Quoting EYKD (Thread starter):
As said this livery was very warmly welcomed but finally rejected due to its explicit military motifs.

Well, yeah, I would say so. They can't do that livery no matter what, even if Russia is re-militarizing. It just conveys the image of the old Soviet war machine and makes customers think this is a program based on military thinking, and all the SNAFUs that go with that mindset.

Why not paint palm trees and kittens on it. That's friendly! And no, not war kittens.


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User currently offlineAlberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2684 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 13291 times:



Quoting EYKD (Thread starter):
rejected due to its explicit military motifs

What's so military about the livery ???


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User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3761 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 13285 times:

Hmm... not too bad, though I don't think its anything amazing. I didn't see the fighter outline at first...

User currently offlineRichM From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 794 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 13280 times:
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I don't like it at all. Why would they want to portray it to be something that it isn't?

User currently offlineAviationAddict From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 540 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 13088 times:
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Quoting Alberchico (Reply 2):
What's so military about the livery ???

Are you serious? Possibly the big fighter jet painted on the side....

User currently offlinePyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 3537 posts, RR: 28
Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 12941 times:

Nice livery. I wonder if that is thw actual size of the Su-27 compared to the RRJ or resized somewhat.

Quoting RichM (Reply 4):
I don't like it at all. Why would they want to portray it to be something that it isn't?

You mean like the SAAB commercials we see on TV?


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User currently offlineCc2314 From Ireland, joined Jan 2008, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 12908 times:

I think the plane looks pretty cool,

User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 12860 times:

I though it was a shadow from a SU-27 flying in formation!

User currently offlineEYKD From Russia, joined Dec 2006, 190 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 12798 times:



Quoting Pyrex (Reply 6):
I wonder if that is the actual size of the Su-27 compared to the RRJ or resized somewhat

Hm-m, interesting. Taking into account that SSJ is around 30 meters long and Su-27 is around 22 meters long I would say that Su-27 silhouette is very close to its actual size.

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21029 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 12686 times:

Wow, that Su-27 must have horrible CASM! And no RASM to speak of…  Wink


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User currently offlineHypersonic From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 10523 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 10):
Wow, that Su-27 must have horrible CASM! And no RASM to speak of

CASM - ? RASM - ?

English please, not everyone here speaks in gobbledygook!  Wink

*Gets reminded by that scene in Good Morning Vietnam, where Cronauer takes the piss out of acronyms*

User currently offlineBreiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1808 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (5 years 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 10346 times:



Quoting Hypersonic (Reply 11):
CASM - ? RASM - ?

CASM: Cost per Available Seat-Mile
RASM: Revenue per Available Seat-Mile
Nice joke, Ikramerica

User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 10346 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 10):
Wow, that Su-27 must have horrible CASM! And no RASM to speak of…

Yeah, but you'd beat the afternoon rush at US Immigration ! What's the seat pitch like on an SU27 ?

User currently offlineKaneporta1 From Greece, joined May 2005, 719 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (5 years 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 10189 times:

The Su-27 looks pretty cool, but what's the deal with the Delta Widget on the tail?


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21029 posts, RR: 60
Reply 15, posted (5 years 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 10025 times:



Quoting Hypersonic (Reply 11):
English please, not everyone here speaks in gobbledygook!

Most people on a.net speak rudimentary gobbledygook.


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User currently offlineAndrej From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 811 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 9986 times:



Quoting Kaneporta1 (Reply 14):
The Su-27 looks pretty cool, but what's the deal with the Delta Widget on the tail?

That is Sukhoi's logo:



there are other logos associated with Sukhoi, but they have similar shape.



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User currently offlineMQTmxguy From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 196 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9885 times:

Quoting EYKD (Thread starter):
As said this livery was very warmly welcomed but finally rejected due to its explicit military motifs.


yeah it does look cool, but Imagine a 737 with a F-15 plastered on it, or a Saab 340 with with the outline of a Viggen. It just seems kinda toolish for an airliner.

[Edited 2008-05-17 05:33:59]


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User currently offlineFlySSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7313 posts, RR: 61
Reply 18, posted (5 years 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9482 times:

I kind of understand they rejected this livery : the "shadow" of a fighter jet painted on the fuselage of a commercial airliner is a very bad taste and could suffer many negative interpretations from customers.

I believe they did this because Sukhoi is much more famous for the "quality" of its fighters than its commercial aircraft ...

User currently offlineAvroArrow From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 1040 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8337 times:

The concept kind of reminds me of this internet classic. They really are both vans with sports cars on them when you think about it.
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The only way I'll ever have a supercar.



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User currently offlineRavel From Finland, joined Feb 2006, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8211 times:



Quoting RichM (Reply 4):
I don't like it at all. Why would they want to portray it to be something that it isn't?

Because Su-27 is one of the most capable fighter planes ever built. It is Sukhoi's best known and most successful product to date. They would, of course, like to emphasize that Superjet 100 has a good performance and great avionics and so on.

That's almost the same as you had a Fiat that had a Ferrari F1 car silhouette in it. Maybe not proper, but it is obvious what it is trying to say.

User currently offlineGolfOscarDelta From India, joined Feb 2008, 168 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8018 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
Why not paint palm trees and kittens on it


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Those cartoon/comic characters are represantative of the cartoons from their respective countries i.e the US and Japan



May be the Russians should paint characters from their old Misha comics on the sides of russian aircraft

Not very good but nevertheless a pic of the good old Misha comics



User currently offlineSlavboro From Russia, joined Apr 2007, 2 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7845 times:



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 18):
the "shadow" of a fighter jet painted on the fuselage of a commercial airliner is a very bad taste and could suffer many negative interpretations from customers

That why they rejected family disignation numbers 272 for their commercial planes. On the early stages of the project they considered these digits as good choice, reflected both - military background and Boeing - Sukhoi cooperation. But advisor made them refuse it.

User currently offlineVald From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7651 times:



Quoting Alberchico (Reply 2):
What's so military about the livery ???

the big shadow of a fighter jet on the side of the aircraft, Maybe.

User currently offlineHypersonic From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7418 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 15):
Quoting Hypersonic (Reply 11):
English please, not everyone here speaks in gobbledygook!

Most people on a.net speak rudimentary gobbledygook.

HEHEHE  Big grin

User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4427 posts, RR: 1
Reply 25, posted (5 years 5 days ago) and read 6979 times:



Quoting Andrej (Reply 16):
there are other logos associated with Sukhoi, but they have similar shape.

The Cyrillic inspired logo minus the circle and arrow could, with a bit of tweaking, look more civilian and commercial. Goes to show how years of state control had stifled the development of Russian advertising. But I'm afraid even a reworking of that logo would just remind the West and Americans of Quicksilver or Cy Young. Smile Better something totally fresh!


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