Ikramerica From United States, joined May 2005, 14524 posts, RR: 41 Reply 1, posted (1 month 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 16719 times:
I love how the article and the staff involved want to get across the the PLANE failed by repeating it over and over, even before investigation has been completed. In these situations it is almost always human error, not a failure of the aircraft. Someone forgetting to lock something down, pressing a button or pushing a lever they didn't mean to, et. Which is not to say that the hydraulics in this area just randomly failed. May have happened. But usually it's someone forgetting to do something minor but important.
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
PlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 2178 posts, RR: 55 Reply 7, posted (1 month 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 16497 times:
Most likely it's one of the ex-UA birds - though not a single one of them is 15 years old. Well, not even the 777 prototype is 15 years old...and no, "Indian Airlines" doesn't have any 777s. What a bad article.
WestWing From United States, joined Feb 2005, 947 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (1 month 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 16497 times:
A few pedantic points
(a) The headline which does say "Indian Airlines" does not match the body of the story which correctly says "Air India". The airline is indeed Air India. Indian Airlines (IC) is a separate airline which is in the process of being merged into AI, but this aircraft is operated by the original AI, not by IC. The Economic Times reporter should have known this.
(b) The oldest 777 in the AI fleet is the former N766UA (777 line no 8) which was delivered to UA in May 1995. So it cannot be "over fifteen years old".
(c) They say "hydraulic failure is suspected". When the plane is on the ground, aren't there pins supposed to be inserted - precisely to keep the gear from collapsing in case of hydraulic failure?
Richierich From United States, joined Nov 2000, 2789 posts, RR: 4 Reply 9, posted (1 month 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 16456 times:
Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 7): Most likely it's one of the ex-UA birds - though not a single one of them is 15 years old. Well, not even the 777 prototype is 15 years old...and no, "Indian Airlines" doesn't have any 777s. What a bad article.
Clearly written by somebody without a shred of journalistic integrity, never mind an unhealthy obsession with airliners!
Sfomb67 From United States, joined Dec 2005, 377 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (1 month 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 15861 times:
Quoting WestWing (Reply 8): (c) They say "hydraulic failure is suspected". When the plane is on the ground, aren't there pins supposed to be inserted - precisely to keep the gear from collapsing in case of hydraulic failure?
I don't know about in Mumbai, but in the US, pins aren't generally installed at the gate. Sounds like someone may have playing with the gear handle.
WestWing From United States, joined Feb 2005, 947 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (1 month 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 15760 times:
Quoting Sfomb67 (Reply 11): I don't know about in Mumbai, but in the US, pins aren't generally installed at the gate..
Yes, thank you for that clarification. In doing some reading of other threads here, I found that the pin used at the gate during pushback is the steering lockout pin, not the one that prevents gear-retraction.
GolfOscarDelta From United States, joined Feb 2008, 32 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (1 month 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 15187 times:
Quoting Richierich (Reply 9): Clearly written by somebody without a shred of journalistic integrity, never mind an unhealthy obsession with airliners
From my 10+ years of reading the Times of India(TOI) or articles in its sister publications Economic Times(ET) etc....the lesson i learnt:
Always take the TOI or ET articles with a grain of salt (read as not seriously) the reporting is usually as bad as it can get.....of course i forget the reporter from the Headlines Today channel who kept repeating that the MiG 29 OVT travelled at Mach 7 from Moscow to Bangalore for the Aero India 2007.
WestWing From United States, joined Feb 2005, 947 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (1 month 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 11902 times:
Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 19): After all, Air India is an indian airline. A forgiveable mistake, frankly.
Since you had no smiley in your post, and you used "frankly" I assume you were not joking in your comment.
If the Gazette or the Globe&Mail (an in-country broadsheet) had used a headline saying "Canadian Airlines" (in the days when Canadi>n existed) when the story was about Air Canada would you have thought it was an acceptable mistake?
Desh From India, joined Aug 2005, 182 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (1 month 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 11806 times:
Quoting Sfomb67 (Reply 11): I don't know about in Mumbai, but in the US, pins aren't generally installed at the gate. Sounds like someone may have playing with the gear handle.
I hope these planes have a little more technology than just that .... I mean I cannot start my car if I am not in "Park" and these things that can fly themselves but dont have that simple a control in them ....does not make sense
TOI and ET (in things not realted to markets and finance) are jokes .... especially TOI that has tried to become the "Sun" or "National Enquirer" of India.
For whats it worth : here is the article from Indian Express ... like how the used "nosedive" in quotes ...
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