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PZ Status For VVI And CBB  
User currently offline123 From Bolivia, joined Nov 2003, 745 posts, RR: 3
Posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1969 times:

Recently PZ (Tam) upgraded services from F100 to A320 series aircraft on route ASU-CBB-VVI-ASU.

What is the status for June - according to amadeus.net it remains with A-320 yet rumors indicate PZ will stop ops to CBB.

Any infos out there?

Should it be true it would be a disaster for CBB as PZ is the only foreign airline serving this airport of a city of aprox. 800000 inhabitants.

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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3708 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1919 times:

Yes, TAM will unfortunately pull out of CBB.

PZ's new network effective May 26th will be:

TAM 700 1234567 EZE ASU 01:10 02:50 32A

TAM 701 1234567 ASU EZE 22:00 23:40 32A

TAM 702 1234567 EZE ASU 12:30 14:10 32A

TAM 703 1234567 ASU EZE 10:00 11:40 32A

TAM 704 1234567 VVI ASU 10:40 12:20 32A
TAM 704 1234567 ASU EZE 15:00 16:40 32A
TAM 704 1234567 EZE MVD 17:20 18:00 32A

TAM 705 1234567 MVD EZE 18:30 19:10 32A
TAM 705 1234567 EZE ASU 19:50 21:30 32A
TAM 705 1234567 ASU VVI 22:30 00:10 32A

TAM 706 1234567 ASU AGT 14:50 15:30 32A
TAM 706 1234567 AGT GRU 15:50 17:30 32A

TAM 707 1234567 GRU AGT 18:30 20:10 32A
TAM 707 1234567 AGT ASU 20:30 21:10 32A

TAM 708 1234567 ASU AGT 13:00 13:40 32A
TAM 708 1234567 AGT SCL 13:55 16:50 32A

TAM 709 1234567 SCL AGT 17:40 20:20 32A
TAM 709 1234567 AGT ASU 20:40 21:20 32A

TAM 710 1234567 COR ASU 06:00 08:30 32A
TAM 710 1234567 ASU GRU 09:10 11:10 32A

TAM 711 1234567 GRU ASU 01:30 03:30 32A
TAM 711 1234567 ASU COR 04:10 06:40 32A

TAM 712 1234567 ASU GRU 22:00 00:00 32A

TAM 713 1234567 GRU ASU 12:10 14:10 32A

All times are GMT.

Source: Red Carpet, member of Contato Radar Forum

Yes, only 9 days left of F100s on TAM.


User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4517 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1886 times:



Quoting C010T3 (Reply 1):
PZ's new network effective May 26th will be:

TAM 700 1234567 EZE ASU 01:10 02:50 32A

TAM 701 1234567 ASU EZE 22:00 23:40 32A

TAM 702 1234567 EZE ASU 12:30 14:10 32A

TAM 703 1234567 ASU EZE 10:00 11:40 32A

TAM 704 1234567 VVI ASU 10:40 12:20 32A
TAM 704 1234567 ASU EZE 15:00 16:40 32A
TAM 704 1234567 EZE MVD 17:20 18:00 32A

TAM 705 1234567 MVD EZE 18:30 19:10 32A
TAM 705 1234567 EZE ASU 19:50 21:30 32A
TAM 705 1234567 ASU VVI 22:30 00:10 32A

TAM 706 1234567 ASU AGT 14:50 15:30 32A
TAM 706 1234567 AGT GRU 15:50 17:30 32A

TAM 707 1234567 GRU AGT 18:30 20:10 32A
TAM 707 1234567 AGT ASU 20:30 21:10 32A

TAM 708 1234567 ASU AGT 13:00 13:40 32A
TAM 708 1234567 AGT SCL 13:55 16:50 32A

TAM 709 1234567 SCL AGT 17:40 20:20 32A
TAM 709 1234567 AGT ASU 20:40 21:20 32A

TAM 710 1234567 COR ASU 06:00 08:30 32A
TAM 710 1234567 ASU GRU 09:10 11:10 32A

TAM 711 1234567 GRU ASU 01:30 03:30 32A
TAM 711 1234567 ASU COR 04:10 06:40 32A

TAM 712 1234567 ASU GRU 22:00 00:00 32A

TAM 713 1234567 GRU ASU 12:10 14:10 32A

PZ is modifying their operations as follows:
ASU-EZE-ASU. 2x daily
VVI-ASU-EZE-MVD-EZE-ASU-VVI.
ASU-AGT-GRU-AGT-ASU.
ASU-AGT-SCL-AGT-ASU.
COR-ASU-GRU-ASU-COR.
ASU-GRU-ASU.

Just to compare with the current schedule allocation, PZ operates this route daily: ASU-EZE-MVD-EZE-ASU-CBB-VVI-ASU-EZE-ASU. It will disappear shortly.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineLVZXV From Gabon, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 37
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1816 times:

Interesting to read this, though not surprising. I flew PZ702 EZE-ASU-CBB recently and on the second leg, loads were very bad (approx. 40 pax) and it was indeed the same A320 that had begun the flight in EZE. VVI-ASU is another story (the two times I have flown it)...

On the other hand, I am surprised that the EZE-MVD-EZE service is being maintained since last time I was at EZE I actually nearly missed my flight because PZ had just pulled it (ie. 01MAY08) and rescheduled the return to ASU from EZE for 50 minutes earlier (10:40 instead of 11:30). When I asked TAM agents as to why they confirmed that it was because of the termination of the MVD service. Won't PZ be doing ASU-MVD non-stop instead (codesharing with PU)?

Saludos, and sorry for Cochabamba. Hopefully Lloyd can bring them back some of their glory shortly.

ZXV



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1757 times:



Quoting C010T3 (Reply 1):
TAM 709 1234567 SCL AGT 17:40 20:20 32A
TAM 709 1234567 AGT ASU 20:40 21:20 32A

It means SCL will be operated daily.

Quoting LVZXV (Reply 3):
Won't PZ be doing ASU-MVD non-stop instead (codesharing with PU)?

I also thought MVD could be upgraded to nonstop service codeshare with PU. I wonder whether PU would ever start ASU nonstop now that it is due to receive an additional CRJ?

Rgs,


User currently offlinePZ From Paraguay, joined Oct 2007, 171 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1748 times:



Quoting C010T3 (Reply 1):
TAM 708 1234567 ASU AGT 13:00 13:40 32A
TAM 708 1234567 AGT SCL 13:55 16:50 32A

TAM 709 1234567 SCL AGT 17:40 20:20 32A
TAM 709 1234567 AGT ASU 20:40 21:20 32A

Does this mean there won't be a ASU-SCL direct flight anymore??
And also,

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 1):
TAM 710 1234567 COR ASU 06:00 08:30 32A


And also a direct ASU-COR flight??

Nowadays is the other way, a direct AGT-COR flight and a direct ASU-SCL flight, wich makes sence...


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1728 times:



Quoting PZ (Reply 5):
Does this mean there won't be a ASU-SCL direct flight anymore??

ASU-SCL will be direct, no change of planes, but with a stop over in AGT. There wont be ASU-SCL nonstop instead, but ASU-AGT-SCL will now operate daily. Previously ASU-SCL nonstop was 4 x week.

Quoting PZ (Reply 5):
And also a direct ASU-COR flight??

COR will be served nonstop from ASU, but direct from GRU (with a stop-over in ASU). The timing of COR is not good for TAM international connection hub in GRU. It would have been better if TAM had timed COR arrival in GRU in the evening and departure in morning. In fact in my opinion COR needs a nonstop flight from GRU.

Rgs,


User currently offline123 From Bolivia, joined Nov 2003, 745 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1714 times:



Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 6):
ASU-AGT-SCL

This is unreasonable back-and-forth flying.

Quoting LVZXV (Reply 3):
loads were very bad (approx. 40 pax)

Yes I understand inbound loads were not very good.

PZ made a big error with their outbound schedule. Many pax need to fly to GRU and/or onwards, and the PZ/JJ flight from CBB arrived at GRU too late to meet most flights towards Europe, so pax had to forcibly opt for 5L CBB-VVI-GRU, to reach the Europe-Conex.

As to pax flying to GRU only, the late arrival was also not so interesting for pax from CBB, being the conex time via VVI (5L) and arrival at GRU (around noon) nicer.


Now PZ with their new timeschedule will in my opinion loose once again more CBB originated pax. Their early departure makes it impossible to connect from CBB origin flights, so pax would have to fly CBB-VVI one day earlier = time and money.

The flight back, arrival at VVI 00:10 makes it impossible to reach a flight to CBB, so another night at a hotel = time and money, is required.

Clearly I am one pax who used PZ services quite a lot and will have to switch airlines as there is no way to connect with them in the future. Competition wins.... unfortunatelly as PZ service was really great.


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1710 times:



Quoting 123 (Reply 7):
This is unreasonable back-and-forth flying.

I think the idea was also to connect AGT with SCL therefore allowing for daily operations.

Quoting 123 (Reply 7):
Now PZ with their new timeschedule will in my opinion loose once again more CBB originated pax. Their early departure makes it impossible to connect from CBB origin flights, so pax would have to fly CBB-VVI one day earlier = time and money.

PZ plan is to focus on VVI, and there are obvious economic reasons for this. I would be great if LPB could be included in PZ network as LPB has weak flight link with Brazil and the best connections are with TA via LIM or 5L via VVI.

Rgs,


User currently offlinePU752 From Uruguay, joined Mar 2005, 584 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1693 times:



Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 4):
I also thought MVD could be upgraded to nonstop service codeshare with PU. I wonder whether PU would ever start ASU nonstop now that it is due to receive an additional CRJ?

I think it wouldn't work nowadays, not enough demand.... probably when PU's hub at MVD gets a little bit more consolidated it could be served by PU....... PZ's flights to MVD were code-shared all this years but somehow they stopped it recently.


User currently offlinePZ From Paraguay, joined Oct 2007, 171 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1685 times:



Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 8):
Quoting 123 (Reply 7):
This is unreasonable back-and-forth flying.

I think the idea was also to connect AGT with SCL therefore allowing for daily operations.

The idea to connect AGT with SCL is great, but the route ASU-AGT-SCL means you have to the east and then to the west, doesn't make sence... AGT-ASU-SCL makes more sence!

And besides, most of the passengers to SCL are from ASU, not from AGT, so making the flight even longer won't be a good news for the ASU passenger to SCL, or the passengers from SCL wanting to go to ASU


User currently offline123 From Bolivia, joined Nov 2003, 745 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1682 times:



Quoting PZ (Reply 10):
AGT-ASU-SCL

I would bet AGT-IQQ-AGT brings more pax than ASU-SCL-ASU !


User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4517 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1644 times:



Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 6):
It would have been better if TAM had timed COR arrival in GRU in the evening and departure in morning

Agreed.
JJ/PZ is loosing the chance to connect those passengers originated at COR toward Europe and the US bound through GRU.
The current possibility is supplied by means of LA COR-SCL and then to Europe and the USA. The backtrack looks like easier than connecting in Buenos Aires, where the ground-transfer between AEP and EZE is compulsory.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offline123 From Bolivia, joined Nov 2003, 745 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1605 times:



Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 12):
loosing the chance to connect those passengers originated at COR toward Europe

So PZ/JJ makes the same error with Bolivia and with Argentina ???

If it is their idea to feed only their own aircraft then they are making a big mistake. The last time I flew to Europe I did not take PZ/JJ because there was no room in Y and the price for J (J-service from GRU only!!) was over USD 7000.- compared to the aprox. USD 2600 I finally paid for J - from CBB.

Strategically seen PZ/JJ might target to VVI as it is doubtlessly the economic motor of Bolivia but if they don´t strat being careful with their timetables in/outbound, conection possibilities to competitors, they might soon be out of the game in Bolivia. And seemingly too in COR...


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1591 times:



Quoting PZ (Reply 10):
The idea to connect AGT with SCL is great, but the route ASU-AGT-SCL means you have to the east and then to the west, doesn't make sence... AGT-ASU-SCL makes more sence!



Quoting PZ (Reply 10):
And besides, most of the passengers to SCL are from ASU, not from AGT,

I agree with your points above.

Quoting 123 (Reply 13):
Strategically seen PZ/JJ might target to VVI as it is doubtlessly the economic motor of Bolivia but if they don´t strat being careful with their timetables in/outbound, conection possibilities to competitors, they might soon be out of the game in Bolivia. And seemingly too in COR...

There is not enough competition in markets such as COR or VVI for PZ to be out of the game. It is rather the other way around: COR and VVI need PZ as an option for flight service. What I do think is that TAM should start flying GRU-VVI and GRU-COR nonstop.

Rgs,


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