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How Much Does It Cost To Fuel A 747?  
User currently offlineBDL From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 16 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 109993 times:

With all the talk surrounding fuel prices and the cost of a barrel of oil (closing at $126.29 on Friday), I was wondering how much money it actually costs an airline to fully fuel a 747? If there is any other info on other airliners, I would love to find out.

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User currently offlineJetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2808 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 110002 times:
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I checked it out and with Jet A at $7.99 a gallon. That would equal about $457,707.15 USD. That is to fully fuel a 747-400.
Blue
P.S. That is an old fuel price. I would believe it would be much higher now.



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User currently offlineBDL From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 16 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 109969 times:

No wonder everyone, particularly US airlines, is "bleeding $." I'm guessing a 737 costs a little more than half of that, so that is a heck of a lot of fuel that they're using. What's a plane's MPG?

User currently offlineJetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2808 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 109958 times:
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Quoting BDL (Reply 2):
What's a plane's MPG?

It is hard to tell. It changes often because of factors like weight and wind.
Blue



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User currently offlineUAL727NE From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 109933 times:



Quoting Jetblueguy22 (Reply 1):
I checked it out and with Jet A at $7.99 a gallon. That would equal about $457,707.15 USD. That is to fully fuel a 747-400.
Blue
P.S. That is an old fuel price. I would believe it would be much higher now.

WOW!!!! 7.99? Where you getting fuel from? At my FBO JETA is 5.39. At full retail price it would cost308,766.15 but airlines get an even bigger discount. So not even that much.



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User currently offlinePoint8six From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2008, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 109902 times:

Max. tanks for a B747-400 is approx. 175tonnes (approx. because of variations with SG). What it would cost would depend on whether or not the airline has "hedged" it's fuel and which airport it uplifted the fuel. Obviously at the present moment, it would be difficult to give a figure as it might have increased since you posted! Perhaps someone can give you a "ball park figure" -I just sign for it!
The real question is " if supplies are more than adequate for the next 50 years" (Saudi oil official), why are we being screwed on price?  Confused


User currently offlineJetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2808 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 109878 times:
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I got that from airnav.com. The airport I have is MSP and the company is Signature Flight Support. It says it is from April 21, 2008. It is for JET A.
I checked out others: (JET A)
JFK 7.18 as of April 20
BDL 7.00 as of MAy 14
LGA 8.12 as of May 16
EWR 8.27 as of May 13.
Remember this isn't what the airlines are paying its just market price.
Blue



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User currently offlineAirbatica From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 12 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 109881 times:

Jetblueguy, where on earth did you find that price for Jet-A? That's way out of line with current market prices, although it might cost that much at your local FBO after you factor in all the additional costs.

See http://www.iata.org/whatwedo/economics/fuel_monitor/index.htm

Take the price per barrel, and divide it by 42 to get price per gallon (42 gallons in a barrel of oil).

Roughly $3.78 a gallon (assuming my math is right).

I'm too lazy to do any additional math ATM.  Smile


User currently offlineJetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2808 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 109851 times:
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Quoting Airbatica (Reply 7):
Jetblueguy, where on earth did you find that price for Jet-A?

I got it from airnav.com. I am just putting down what they are saying.
Blue



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User currently offlineUAL727NE From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 109802 times:

WOW I cant believe the price of fuel at other FBO's! With the price at my FBO every jet in the country should be stopping here. But then again my boss doesnt want to spend the money to abvertise....IDIOT!!!!


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User currently offlineAirbatica From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 12 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 109790 times:



Quoting Jetblueguy22 (Reply 8):
I got it from airnav.com. I am just putting down what they are saying.

Yeah, I must have been replying while you were responding.  Smile

Just as a point of reference, I just put 3361USG on a 737 going DFW-SEA. At $3.78 a gallon, it would be $12704.58, and at $7.99, it would be $26854.39. The flight arrived with 7,200lbs, and required 29,700lbs for the trip. The flight went out with 7 open seats.


User currently offlineJetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2808 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 109789 times:
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Quoting UAL727NE (Reply 9):
But then again my boss doesnt want to spend the money to abvertise....IDIOT!!!!

Tell him about this and he might reconsider!
Blue



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User currently offlineUAL727NE From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 109748 times:

I doubt it. He has alot of money and charters out jets as well. But he still dont want to. The last prson that owned this place only made .40 a gal. and this airport was packed 24/7. He is making 1.20 a gal. If he would lower that to even .50 a gal. profit and ab. He would be Making alot more money and making us lineguys happy cuz we would be getting paid to work. Instead he pays us to be really really bored.


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User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 109716 times:

At SBA, JETA is $8.39, but at a local GA airport just 10 minutes away, JETA is $4.99 (100LL is $5.03).


"Why does a slight tax increase cost you $200 and a substantial tax cut save you 30 cents?"
User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4025 posts, RR: 33
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 109657 times:

According to Air transport world, www.atwonline.com
the price for Jet A1 in the market was around 3.30 USD at end of March.
They publish a graph of jet fuel price every month.

This is the spot cash price.
Airlines have contracts and will pay less.

[Edited 2008-05-17 13:09:19]

User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8640 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 109596 times:

Yeah, I do not believe anybody would pay $8 for fuel. The going rate is $3 and change. So, if it cost $8, you could drive a truck from an airport and make $5 per gallon profit, or say $30,000 profit on a 5,000 gal truck for a day's work.

This is a long way of saying no, Jet-A does NOT cost $8 a gallon, and if somebody says so, they are wrong, so we don't need to hear about it.


Filling a 747 with 50,000 gallons of Jet-A (almost full) would cost around $150,000-$200,000 at current world prices. This is an extremely close to accurate figure. It will not be $450,000. That would be ludicrous.


User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 109526 times:



Quoting Flighty (Reply 16):
Yeah, I do not believe anybody would pay $8 for fuel.

Plenty of people do. That is how much it costs here in SBA, and I see plenty of corprate jets filling up at that price. That IS how much it costs at larger more executive airports.



"Why does a slight tax increase cost you $200 and a substantial tax cut save you 30 cents?"
User currently offlineBDL From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 16 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 109275 times:



Quoting Airbatica (Reply 7):

Take the price per barrel, and divide it by 42 to get price per gallon (42 gallons in a barrel of oil).

Roughly $3.78 a gallon (assuming my math is right).

I'm too lazy to do any additional math ATM. Smile

That would equate to a $158.76 barrel of oil. Dude, you're a week ahead of yourself!


User currently offlineHmmmm... From Canada, joined May 1999, 2104 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 109218 times:



Quote:
Take the price per barrel, and divide it by 42 to get price per gallon (42 gallons in a barrel of oil).

Roughly $3.78 a gallon (assuming my math is right).

I'm too lazy to do any additional math ATM. Smile

Yeah, but airplanes don't fly on barrels of crude oil. They fly on jet fuel that comes out of a pump and hose. I think you missed a few steps in your jet fuel calculation.



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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6019 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 109202 times:



Quoting Hmmmm... (Reply 18):
Yeah, but airplanes don't fly on barrels of crude oil. They fly on jet fuel that comes out of a pump and hose. I think you missed a few steps in your jet fuel calculation.

Hes not that far off actually in figuring out what the airlines would pay for fuel. For example 1st quarter UA paid on average 3.03 a gallon for jet-A.



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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6019 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 109177 times:



Quoting United1 (Reply 19):
Hes not that far off actually in figuring out what the airlines would pay for fuel. For example 1st quarter UA paid on average 3.03 a gallon for jet-A.

Actually I read the wrong line UA paid 2.84 a gallon on average, UAX paid 3.03 a gallon on average, and for whatever reason the site won't let me edit my post.



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7693 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 108762 times:

So how much does it actually cost to fuel at 747?

I have a hard time believeing that it cost $457,000. That would mean that it would cost each passenger about $1250 in fuel alone.



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User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 108699 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 21):
So how much does it actually cost to fuel at 747?

I have a hard time believeing that it cost $457,000. That would mean that it would cost each passenger about $1250 in fuel alone.

Listen, we have already been to the fact that the airlines pay much less then the average joe for JetA. Take United who paid $2.84 a gallon. That would be $168,000 dollars.

But yes, if you went out and bought yourself a 747-400, you would pay close to $457,000 for a full tank.



"Why does a slight tax increase cost you $200 and a substantial tax cut save you 30 cents?"
User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6019 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 108609 times:

Using the numbers quoted on this thread the total number of gallons that a 744 holds is 57,285 using an average of $2.84 a gallon that comes out to $162,689 for a full load of fuel. The actual amount paid is going to vary quite a bit depending on how much airline pays for the fuel (hedged or negotiated rate or market price.)

744ER 63,705 gallons
748 64,225 gallons



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User currently offlineGolfOscarDelta From India, joined Feb 2008, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 108281 times:

It would be interesting to know how much the Saudi Royals (and the other oil rich middle eastern countries' royals) pay to tank up their Royal 747's

Any guesses???  scratchchin 


25 MOBflyer : Not if you were smart. You would fuel up at an airport in the region (100 miles or so) and have a dead repositioning leg. Total cost: $25K, if that T
26 Aruba : Here in Connecticut gasoline is about $4.05 per gallon USD. To fil a tank of gas it is about $65 USD, for just a sedan! Surprised to see BDL the lowes
27 JAGflyer : YKZ's FBO charges $1.46 per litre (no additive) and 1 cent extra per litre with additive. $1.50 per litre for 100LL. I recall my teacher mentioning ai
28 JetJeanes : Airlines rates are differnt because of the volume of fuel they buy and they buy ahead of time in contracts. They dont pay ""Pump pricE"" lol depending
29 UAL747 : I've always wondered how amazing it is that a 747 carries enough fuel to fill a very large swimming pool. That amount of fuel is just amazing to me! U
30 Post contains links Acidradio : They purchase futures or options, which is a practice known as "hedging." Airlines commonly hedge fuel prices by purchasing futures contracts, option
31 Seafleet : I am amazed at the figures quoted and for the purpose of my point lets take the cheapest I saw roughly $167k for a 747 -400 so my question is does thi
32 RJ111 : At 100 dollars per barrel you would be looking at about $180k. Though few routes actually require a full load of fuel.
33 Post contains links Mikoneill : Point8six says at 747 takes 175T fuel. BA's latest financial results indicate that Jet fuel prices are now at $1200/T http://library.corporate-ir.net/
34 HT1000 : That 's true if you have a nearly 100 % load factor Not every route requires the size of the A380.
35 Vald : I wouldn't, don't think he would like to know that you think of him as an IDIOT!
36 F9Animal : Reguar avgas is running a cheap $5.30 a gallon in some of the smaller airports in Washington State. What a deal!
37 Movingtin : So you have personally checked every Jet A retailer in the world, and Not a single one is charging $8 a gallon???
38 Point8six : According to The Sunday Times (UK), fuel broke through $1300 per tonne, last week. Therefore, a fully-fuelled B747-400 would cost $227,500. Of course
39 Jetstar : A lot of corporate jet operators have signed up for fuel discount cards, even though the meter might show one price, when they get the bill it will b
40 Flighty : All I am saying is, I am an able bodied person. If you give me the opportunity to (1) buy a fuel truck, (2) sell Jet-A for $8 per gallon, I will go pu
41 Boston92 : You could just as easily take your tanker truck to a gas station in the states, fill her up, take her across the pond, and sell that gas to the "idio
42 Flighty : Well yes, if the non-tax fuel price in Europe was really high. I think it's the exact same in Europe vs. the USA, plus or minus 10%. Because the oil
43 N770WD : This has nothing to do with hedging. FBO prices include the base price of fuel, taxes for general aviation and markup for the FBO. It is true that Je
44 Viscount724 : Keep in mind that fuel purchased by airlines is usually much cheaper when used on international routes since bilateral agreements generally prohibit t
45 Dw747400 : Depeding where he flies and what fuel contracts his company has, it is possible he has not seen these extreme prices. But $8 Jet A is very real at so
46 Timo007 : To give you guys an idea. Platts reported Friday that a barge of Jet is trading for 1326 dollars per ton in Northwest Europe. I have friends that work
47 BillReid : I do not know where you get your fuel prices. But about $3.90 is what the airlines are paying.
48 Post contains images CAP2008 : How are airlines charged for fuel at a particular airport. Take NW for example, are they charged a lower price at US airports (DTW,MSP in particular),
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