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LH A330 Incident At MUC  
User currently offlineTommyBP251b From Germany, joined Apr 2006, 459 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 13980 times:

Hi Guys!

I was just checking some airliner photos and I found this one. What happened here?

http://www.flugzeugbilder.de/show.php?id=740136

Any infos?

Regards Tom


Tom from Cologne
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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26853 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 13740 times:

Certainly an interesting pic. Was the firemen banging on the door to get the crew to open it maybe??

User currently offlineAirPortugal310 From Palau, joined Apr 2004, 3584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 12582 times:



Quoting OA260 (Reply 1):

Most certainly but why is the captain hanging out the window?



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12128 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 12516 times:

Ding dong......Avon calling.  duck   duck   duck 

User currently offlineCBPhoto From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1551 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 12505 times:

Doesn't look too major! Might have been over heated brakes that caught fire or burst tires! Either way, by what the caption says, it appears that an evacuation was being considered, but apparently was not necessary, thus leaving me to conclude that the event must not have been a huge ordeal! The Captain is either trying to see what is going on, or could be trying to communicate with the emergency crews! And actually, if they towed the plane back to the gate, that kind of rules out the burst tires, so my money in on the brakes!!


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User currently offlineJet13 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 11860 times:

In my opinion, It looks like the fire crews are trying to get the door open, maybe because the flight attendants could not get it open, and it's an emergency?


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User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12408 posts, RR: 37
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 11635 times:

Looks more likely that the fire crews are just letting the cabin crew know they've arrived. Obviously, they don't want to open the door before the steps come up.

The plane looks brand spanking new; the fire vehicles are in the way, so can't see the reg - which one was it?


User currently offlineIcelandair75W From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 11400 times:

If you look at the picture at the bottomleft between the two fire trucks you see hoses. Probably brakes.

User currently offlineJogales From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 437 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 11247 times:



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 6):
The plane looks brand spanking new; the fire vehicles are in the way, so can't see the reg - which one was it?

D-AIKI


Josh



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User currently offlineBoeing6600 From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 45 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10651 times:



Quoting Jet13 (Reply 5):
In my opinion, It looks like the fire crews are trying to get the door open, maybe because the flight attendants could not get it open, and it's an emergency?

Fire crew does not want to open the door before the emergency slide has been deactivated! That would cause a little bit of an injury!!


User currently offlineLHFADUS From Germany, joined Apr 2007, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9147 times:

Regular procedure is no one opens the doors from the outside, as long as one can assume that the crew is on board and "intact". If you wish to enter through a closed door, you knock - just as the fire-fighter is doing on the pic. This is to ensure that slides aren't accidentaly deployed or people on the outside injured.

User currently offlineLVHGEL From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2007, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 8110 times:



Quoting LHFADUS (Reply 10):
Regular procedure is no one opens the doors from the outside, as long as one can assume that the crew is on board and "intact". If you wish to enter through a closed door, you knock - just as the fire-fighter is doing on the pic. This is to ensure that slides aren't accidentaly deployed or people on the outside injured.

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User currently offlineBeagleboys From Italy, joined Jun 2006, 230 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7275 times:

if you try to open an A330 armed door it will automatically disarm... but procedure say that no one should open a door froom outside if someone is inside and alive. (cabin may be pressurized, and forcing the opening could create a little mess)


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User currently offlineIndustrybuff From United Arab Emirates, joined Dec 2003, 347 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6818 times:

wow QF group do things differently.

All airbuses in our fleet are opened from the ground staff from the outside, cabin crew do not open and close doors at all.

Industrybuff


User currently offlineSleeperseat From Germany, joined Apr 2008, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6243 times:



Quoting Industrybuff (Reply 13):
wow QF group do things differently.

All airbuses in our fleet are opened from the ground staff from the outside, cabin crew do not open and close doors at all.

Industrybuff

I can not believe that such strictly procedures are handled different down under....
 confused 


User currently offlineBeagleboys From Italy, joined Jun 2006, 230 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6202 times:

maybe because they use everywhere QF ground staff... If someone opens a door, and it's not part of the company, and do it wrong culd damage the plane and cause a big damage to the company. Usually the procedure is: when the plane is on ground the FA disarm the slides and wait for the stairs (or finger), the stairs operator place the stairs and check that these are safe and knock the door to give the ok to the FA, the FA ask to the PU if he can open the door and, once the PU gives the authorization he can open the door.
Here in italy usually the only person that are authorized to touch the door are: Pilot, FA and ground enginers



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User currently offlineTolmachevo From Germany, joined Jun 2006, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6123 times:



Quoting Sleeperseat (Reply 14):
I can not believe that such strictly procedures are handled different down under....

well they do...



User currently offlineGA330 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5420 times:

Wow, that is really a detailed video. wonder what will it look like if its a video for pilot training


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User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5342 times:



Quoting LHFADUS (Reply 10):
Regular procedure is no one opens the doors from the outside, as long as one can assume that the crew is on board and "intact". If you wish to enter through a closed door, you knock - just as the fire-fighter is doing on the pic. This is to ensure that slides aren't accidentaly deployed or people on the outside injured.

Even if the slides are armed from the inside, they won´t deploy if you are opening the door from the outside.

Quoting TommyBP251b (Thread starter):

Why don´t you contact the photographer?  Smile


User currently offline777DAD From Germany, joined Aug 2005, 176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4287 times:

What is the difference if the door is opened from outside vs. from the inside in this case?
It's obvious the cabin is not pressurized or the Cpt. wouldn't have his head out the window.

Jeff



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User currently offlineXtoler From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 953 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4266 times:

We had an incident similar while taxiing. Of course that was due from $3.00 pitchers of Miller Light and all the free bean dip we could eat the night before.


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User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4089 times:

Isn't this about the fifth time a thread on this subject has been run in the past year?

One point - the fireman is not knocking, his hand is flat against the door.

Standard firefighter training around the world is when you come to a closed door - feel it with your hand to see if it is hot. It would indicate the presence of fire on the other side.

Yes, that would seem stupid in this case, if there was fire, you'd have other indications.

So would appear the practice of looking at the gear handle and looking for green gear down lights.

There is a reason for standard safety practices and training - usually a cost paid in blood, and the good people in any profession follow those rules everytime.


User currently offlineXtoler From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 953 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3525 times:



Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 21):
There is a reason for standard safety practices and training - usually a cost paid in blood, and the good people in any profession follow those rules everytime.

So true, and I've seen people be careless on the flight line and had to get their attention at times. But I've seen other people just watch and say nothing as someone screws up. Just a shame in those instances I could never communicate to those people.

On the bigger aircraft, opening a door isn't like opening a regular door, as the above training video shows, there is a bit involved. That was one drawback once I started having to commute, and a lot of times I'd fly main line UA, I wasn't door qualified to sit in the F/A jumpseat. But I sure can open the main cabin door of the J41 and EMB145.



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User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12408 posts, RR: 37
Reply 23, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3493 times:



Quoting Beagleboys (Reply 12):
if you try to open an A330 armed door it will automatically disarm...

Er ... then what's the point of arming them in the first place?


User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2992 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3432 times:



Quoting Xtoler (Reply 20):
We had an incident similar while taxiing. Of course that was due from $3.00 pitchers of Miller Light and all the free bean dip we could eat the night before.

Well, that could certainly cause an explosive decompression and/or a rapid evacuation...  duck 



Common sense is not so common. -Voltaire
25 CB97 : Firefighters will not usually check for heat with the palms of their hands, they will use the backs which are more sensitive. It also allows them to
26 Larshjort : /Lars
27 Albird87 : Depending on what finger the Ground staff give to the FA depends on if the door gets disarmed!
28 OHLHD : Priceless.
29 LHFADUS : You can knock a whole lot louder with your flat hand. Either with airplane doors or the desk your sitting at. Try it. Maybe so on A330s, but not on e
30 Breiz : From what I read, the A330 experienced hydraulic problems while taxiing after landing at Munich. The crew stopped the ac and called for an inspection
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