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BA To Ground Some Aircraft From This Oct  
User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19230 posts, RR: 52
Posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 12560 times:

BA will ground some aircraft, which is likely to include some 744s, 763s and 737s, from this October to help reduce costs and to help stem potential losses as a result of the price of fuel.

Read more here: http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...ctors/transport/article3953811.ece


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User currently offlineIb16uk From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 90 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 12458 times:

Have BA moved some A319s to LGW yet ?

Replacing 1 737 for 1 A319...


User currently offlineJetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2798 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 12430 times:
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Fares across the pond that cheap! No wonder they are grounding planes!
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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7545 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 12407 times:

Didn't they just make over a billion dollar profit? So if aint broke don't fix it.


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User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4009 posts, RR: 33
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 12393 times:



Quoting Ib16uk (Reply 1):
Have BA moved some A319s to LGW yet ?

Yes two at the moment, next one in Aug.


User currently offlineJetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2798 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 12392 times:
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Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 3):
So if aint broke don't fix it.

I agree. But they must be seeing something we don't.
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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5957 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 12380 times:



Quoting Jetblueguy22 (Reply 5):
Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 3):
So if aint broke don't fix it.

I agree. But they must be seeing something we don't.
Blue

They did post a massive profit for FY07, however they are also forecasting that they may only break even this year due to the rising cost of fuel.



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User currently offlineSandyb123 From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2007, 1109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 12364 times:
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Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 3):
Didn't they just make over a billion dollar profit? So if aint broke don't fix it.

Absolutely!

Quoting Pe@rson (Thread starter):
which is likely to include some 744s, 763s and 737s

Some of the oldest aircraft in the BA fleet are included in this group. I flew on a very shabby 737 with BA recently home to EDI. I wondered how long they would stay in the fleet!!

Does anyone know if these planes are being sold or stored?

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User currently offlineBAStew From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 1028 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 12361 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 3):
Didn't they just make over a billion dollar profit? So if aint broke don't fix it.

The profits just announced were mainly earned last year.

BA expects their fuel bill to be £1billion more this financial year than last.


User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 12307 times:

I agree some of those 735s are in a bad state in the cabins. Surprised they might be getting rid of the unreliable 763s as who would want those RR powered 767s?

User currently offlineTheginge From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 1132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 12207 times:

I would imagine grounding aircraft at LHR will be out of the question due to the use it or lose it nature of the slots. Unless there is some clever shuffling of slots to mean that most of them are used for fewer aircraft.

User currently offlineB747-4U3 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2002, 990 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 12028 times:



Quoting Orion737 (Reply 9):
I agree some of those 735s are in a bad state in the cabins. Surprised they might be getting rid of the unreliable 763s as who would want those RR powered 767s?

The article doesn't say that they are getting rid of them. They are just grounding them, which may be or may not be permanent.

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 3):
So if aint broke don't fix it.

Maybe that attitude is what is causing problems in the US airline industry. BA clearly have a good idea on future operating conditions and are now making appropriate plans to weather the storm in the best possible way. It is better to decide these things now and potentially save a lot of money.

Quoting Theginge (Reply 10):
I would imagine grounding aircraft at LHR will be out of the question due to the use it or lose it nature of the slots. Unless there is some clever shuffling of slots to mean that most of them are used for fewer aircraft.

It will be interesting to see what they do. My guess is lower-yielding routes from Gatwick will go. Maybe the Gatwick 777s will be moved to LHR to replace some of the 744s whilst some of the LHR 763s will move to Gatwick with the remaining 767s being grounded. It will be interesting to see what actually happens.

One thing to consider is that BA have often stated recently that transatlantic Premium demand is strong, however Y demand is weaker. The 777s have 48 J seats, whilst the mid-J 744s have 52 (If I'm not mistaken). Therefore some of the LGW 777s could be used at LHR to reduce transatlantic Y capacity whilst maintaining Premium capacity and therefore maximise potential profits.


User currently offlineSandyb123 From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2007, 1109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 11886 times:
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Quoting B747-4U3 (Reply 11):
The article doesn't say that they are getting rid of them. They are just grounding them, which may be or may not be permanent.

I hope it is permanent. Those 737's are very down at heel and the newer BA airbus 319s 320s are far better.

Quoting B747-4U3 (Reply 11):
So if aint broke don't fix it.
Maybe that attitude is what is causing problems in the US airline industry.

The American airline industry is in a bad way!! BA have turned themselves round based on their recent profit announcement.

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User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8546 posts, RR: 54
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 11793 times:
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Quoting Orion737 (Reply 9):
agree some of those 735s are in a bad state in the cabins

- Agreed, flew G-GFFI last week, very tatty indeed!

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User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 11758 times:

No excuse for it either, they could have refurbished the 737 cabins ages ago

User currently offlineShamrock_747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 11746 times:

Personally I will be sad to see any British Airways aircraft become non-operational, but the reasoning is entirely understandable.

Although the last year has certainly had its moments, the latest financial results show the airline's management are in tune with what needs to be done to run the business successfully. I hope taking the rather significant steps proposed enable BA to be in a stronger, more robust position, for what will certainly be a challenging twelve months with the current economic climate.


User currently offlineAAMDanny From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2008, 357 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 11296 times:



Quoting Orion737 (Reply 14):
No excuse for it either, they could have refurbished the 737 cabins ages ago

Yes but if the A/C is old and working towards the end of its life with BA they would prob just keep it the way it is until it’s time to replace it, it’s the most logical thing to do... what’s the point on spending so much of refurbishing the cabin if the A/C is going to be gone in a few years time. (No orders for more 737’s have been made by BA)

And by the looks of it the B73X fleet with BA is being replaced with the A32X family. Especially if they are sending A319's to LGW. (If I am not mistaken all of their B73’s are operated out of LGW)


User currently offlineTonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1437 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10520 times:



Quoting Orion737 (Reply 9):
Surprised they might be getting rid of the unreliable 763s as who would want those RR powered 767s?

If you ask me they are perhaps the most reliable planes on the long haul fleet without a doubt! Even the AVOD works better on them! LOL!



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User currently offlineTeneriffe77 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 470 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10325 times:

As far as where to put those grounded planes, LHR doesn't seem like a good place due to space issues. A far more reasonable place would be Cardiff due to BA's hanger there and it being a smaller airport I imagine that the ground fees and overall storage costs would be lower.

User currently offlineA340600 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 4105 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10293 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 3):
Didn't they just make over a billion dollar profit? So if aint broke don't fix it.



Quoting AAMDanny (Reply 16):
And by the looks of it the B73X fleet with BA is being replaced with the A32X family. Especially if they are sending A319's to LGW. (If I am not mistaken all of their B73’s are operated out of LGW)

All 737-300/500's, aka not '36' models will be going but the 737-400 will stay.

Quoting Tonystan (Reply 17):
If you ask me they are perhaps the most reliable planes on the long haul fleet without a doubt! Even the AVOD works better on them! LOL!

Indeed hehe. The 767 is a good plane to fly on, especially in World Traveller.



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User currently offlineAAMDanny From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2008, 357 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9120 times:



Quoting BAStew (Reply 8):
BA expects their fuel bill to be £1billion more this financial year than last.

With obvious rising fuel prices it just look's like BA are just trying to save some money.

What would happen to the excess slots? Be leased out?


User currently offlineCandid76 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 735 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7883 times:

It's not just fuel prices either. Airport charges at their beloved LHR are set to increase dramatically (although I dare say as such a big customer they may have some sort of commercial deal). If aircraft are removed from service and flights pulled then, in theory anyway, those slots at LHR could be reassigned to competitors.

Therefore I would concur that LGW will be in the firing line (given that there is nothing left from MAN to pull now!).


User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 22, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7654 times:



Quoting Candid76 (Reply 21):
given that there is nothing left from MAN to pull now!).

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User currently offlineMhodgson From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2002, 5047 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6723 times:



Quoting Myt332 (Reply 22):

They could also pull the Sun-Air franchise



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User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2501 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6426 times:



Quoting Mhodgson (Reply 23):
They could also pull the Sun-Air franchise

What for? Sun-Air are paying for the franchise, so for BA it does not matter what Sun-Air does. It is a win win situation for BA.

I am afraid some ex GT routes will get the axe. I am sure that LGW routes will be the first to be reduce. Slots at LHR are very valuable to let them go.



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25 Sandyb123 : Do you think that we'll see more fleet commonality and rationalisation from BA in future? Perhaps they will adopt a similar model as the budgets of f
26 Jfk777 : Given how BA doesn't fly to many cities it once did to, like Osaka & Seoul, I wonder what now doesn't make the cut now that once did ?
27 Captainsimon : I think this is the way it will go. Running a fleet like above will cut a lot of cost and make BA become more efficient.
28 Bongodog1964 : Surely this has been BA's policy for a quite some time. The single aisle fleet is gradually standardising on A320 series, and the long haul fleet has
29 AirbusA6 : I thought BA's policy was to increase long haul flights out of LGW, with the JFK flight being at the expense of the MAN-JFK one?
30 Davescj : Are some of the planes being grounded due receiving new aircraft? I could see them getting 777 to replace older 744s on routes they've decided to down
31 A340600 : They do though. It will either do the YYZ or YYC which are both being downgraded to a 767, though YYC is going daily.
32 VV701 : All the 733s and 735s are leased and all have had their original leases extended at least once. Currently - see Reply 19 - it is not planned to repla
33 BALHRWWCC : The 777 are to stay at LGW. The cost and time of training the whole LGW fleet on 767 would be to high. I can see the 777's taking over some of the 74
34 AIR MALTA : BA can not cut on frequencies on those routes and leave the slots unused. It woule may be wiser to transfer some LGW service to LHR to fill in the ga
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