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SAA Replacing 747s With 747s?  
User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2238 posts, RR: 9
Posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6234 times:

Plain ignorant journalism, but could hint a 748 order perhaps?

"Although fuel accounts for 40% of operating costs, we haven't been hit hard by the oil price increase. The market is growing at a rate of 15% a year. We are growing at 30% a year," Orsmond said.

SAA said it was looking for three Boeing 747 wide-body aircraft and three Boeing 747 narrow-body jets with lower running costs per seat.

This would bring to 55 the number of aircraft on the airline's fleet.

SAA's restructuring plan, which started in March last year, had reduced costs by almost R1bn.

The two biggest restructuring initiatives completed successfully were the grounding of six Boeing 747s and consultations with labour on standardising and simplifying conditions of employment, with final agreements being put in place.


Full story here: http://www.fin24.com/articles/defaul...Nav=ns&ArticleID=1518-1786_2324530


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User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6213 times:

Quoting JoKeR (Thread starter):
SAA said it was looking for three Boeing 747 wide-body aircraft and three Boeing 747 narrow-body jets with lower running costs per seat.

 rotfl  ... three Boeing 747 narrow-body jets...  rotfl 

If SAA has finally managed to get B747s at reasonable rates, then I'd say that it's not unlikely that we'll be seeing B747-400s in their fleet again. Whether it'll be B748s, well, I doubt that for now...

The question remains whether there's any route where they really need the aircraft: LHR maybe, but other than that?

[Edited 2008-05-18 23:14:57]


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User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2238 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6144 times:



Quoting Leskova (Reply 1):
rotfl ... three Boeing 747 narrow-body jets... rotfl

Maybe chopping-off the hump and slicing-off two engines and.... but hang on... that makes it a T7Big grin



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User currently offlineEuclid From South Africa, joined Apr 2005, 373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5985 times:

Bloody journalists. You'd think somebody would do some fact-checking before letting that article go public. Anybody with half a braincell would have been able to see that something just does not make sense.

On second thought, if that statement really came from someone at SAA then it's no wonder that SAA is in deep shit. How can you run an airline if you don't even know what the hell type of aircraft is available out there?

[Edited 2008-05-19 00:34:07]

[Edited 2008-05-19 00:35:44]

User currently offlineQF744ER From Australia, joined Jun 2004, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5841 times:

Still begs the question where are the ex SAA B744's that have been withdrawn?

ex ZS-SAX (26637/943) is now with Transaero as VP-BVR and ZS-SAZ has been some LIS flights for TAAG but where are the others?....ZS-SAK/SAY/SBK and SBS?

I would of though these RR and GE powered B744's would of been snapped up virtually overnight.


User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4398 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5788 times:

This could just be because nobody reads an article once the journalist has typed it - saving money to reduce costs always means reducing quality. For sure they seek to lease 3 B737 and 3 B747...

User currently offlineDennys From France, joined May 2001, 889 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5649 times:

I really wish they choose the 747-8i !!!!!! WOW !!!!!

regards

dennys


User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4398 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5292 times:



Quoting Dennys (Reply 6):

This would mean they send them to FRA to have them in hands of LH Technics regular.


User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3921 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4615 times:

I don't think they mean 747s will be involved at all... Probably large twins and 737s...

From what I read it as, they just seem to think the brand is called "Boeing 747" rather than "Boeing"


User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4454 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4079 times:

I'm going to guess that the journalist meant to write 3 widebody 787s and 3 narrowbody 737s.


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User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2238 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2730 times:



Quoting CX747 (Reply 9):
I'm going to guess that the journalist meant to write 3 widebody 787s and 3 narrowbody 737s.

Your guess is as good as anybody's... this will likely remain a mystery for now.



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User currently offlineKennyK From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 482 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2646 times:

I thought SAA had gotten rid off their 747s due to unusually high lease fees, so it would make sense for them to perhaps buy 3 744s or lease them at better rates. I think they still need 747s despite having A346s just to make up capacity if they are expanding as much as suggested. As for 748s, dream on, likewise A380s.

User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2425 times:



Quoting CX747 (Reply 9):
I'm going to guess that the journalist meant to write 3 widebody 787s and 3 narrowbody 737s.

B787? No... they're looking for aircraft that are supposed to join the fleet soon. Either B777 (which I seriously doubt, but stranger things have happened) or B747-400s.

I do agree on the B737s though.

Quoting KennyK (Reply 11):
I thought SAA had gotten rid off their 747s due to unusually high lease fees, so it would make sense for them to perhaps buy 3 744s or lease them at better rates.

That's what I've heard and read as well. Wouldn't necessarily agree on buying B744s on the other hand, unless there are some really rock-bottom prices on good frames out there.

Quoting KennyK (Reply 11):
I think they still need 747s despite having A346s just to make up capacity if they are expanding as much as suggested.

There's a very limited need for them from what I see - LHR is pretty much it.

Quoting KennyK (Reply 11):
As for 748s, dream on, likewise A380s.

I agree on that one - while I'd love to see SAA operating either one (with a certain preference for one of the two), I don't see either arriving in JNB wearing SAA's livery anytime within a decade... yet...



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User currently offlineTy134A From Austria, joined Apr 2008, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2288 times:



Quoting JoKeR (Thread starter):
and three Boeing 747 narrow-body jets with lower running costs per seat.

COOOOOOOOOOOOL... re- introduction of the 747SP GERAT NEWS!!! Or maybe they plan to accuire a 747-8ISP... just cut out a little in the middel,...there you go,...747 narrow body



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User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8455 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1863 times:
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Quoting QF744ER (Reply 4):
where are the others?....ZS-SAK/SAY/SBK and SBS?

There is a whole row of white 747s standing behind Hangar 8 at JNB. In addition there is a white SP in the run up bay and a 743 parked next to Hangar 8.



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31055 posts, RR: 87
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1771 times:
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SA evidently found the A340-600 to be a good replacement for their 747-400s, which it is if you don't need to maximize passenger loads.

So if SA still does not need to maximize passenger loads, but wishes to grow, the 747-8I might very well be a solid choice. It should have operating costs in the general range of the A340-600, will carry up to 100 more people, and offers a slightly higher maximum payload.

The A380-800 would make sense if SA wants to maximize passenger loads, but that would be almost two-thirds more people per flight so unless SA sees huge traffic gains really quick, those A380's would be flying with a not-insignificant amount of seats empty which would hurt their operating costs compared to the 747-8I.


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