Socalatc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 548 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9337 times:
Quoting PremoBrimo (Reply 6): I am curious to see what Northwest is going to do with this. I know they are code-share partners(and have been for a while) but the MSP-SEA route is very lucrative for NW.
Maybe with the merger, Alaska knows something that we dont, and they will be reducing frequency from SEA-MSP.
FATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5895 posts, RR: 27
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9267 times:
From the press release
"Horizon Air will discontinue nonstop service between Spokane, Wash., and Sacramento, Calif., effective Sept. 7. The carrier also will replace its twice-daily nonstop service between Spokane and Los Angeles with two daily same-plane, one-stop flights via Boise, Idaho."
Did I miss this in a previous announcement. I saw Orlando and all the Mexico changes before, but not Spokane changes.
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EVA777SEA From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 9064 times:
This isn't much different then when AS added SEA-DFW. AA still flies that route with 8+ dailies. I don't think much will change. Besides, adding 2 737 flights a day to a market that fills 6 or 7 daily flights with 757s won't make a big dent. If anything, maybe Sun Country will loose here?
RwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3186 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 8954 times:
Interesting choice for AS (with respect to MSP at least), but good to see more competition. NW has sometimes 11-12x daily frequencies in the summer, all on 752/753 equipment, so the demand is certainly there.
KOA is also a good addition; currently there is no nonstop SEA-KOA service (although there is a one-stop through OGG that is nonstop on the KOA-SEA return, operated by NW).
AS must be doing very well to Hawaii - going from 2x daily to 4x daily in a matter of months, and now serving all major Hawaii airports.
Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 9): I'm thrilled to see AS in MSP, but it will be very interesting to see how NW reacts.
Well they haven't done much yet to protect SEA-HNL or SEA-OGG.
AirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 23
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 8735 times:
Quoting KELPkid (Reply 15): I can imagine a certain carrier whose birds have red tails not being too happy over this (rather small) invasion of their turf, as they are also big at SEA...
I dont think its THAT big of a deal. Remember, NW and AS are codeshare partners and they have been for years. What is 2 flights a day by AS going to do to NW? Nothing. See: SEA-DFW & AA's 8 daily flights on that route. Again, not a big of a deal.
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Alexinwa From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 8619 times:
Not surprised by either new city and very happy about both.
I am waiting to see if IAH becomes the next new spot on AS's route map? I'm thinking out loud but I believe with the MSP service IAH is the last major city out of SEA that only has service with one carrier??
GRRTVC From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 310 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 8536 times:
Quoting RwSEA (Reply 13): NW previously flew this route; I wouldn't be surprised to see it come back. It needs more competition anyways now that UA is gone.
UA resumed operations in ANC back in February.
I wouldn't hold your breath on waiting to fly a NW B757 from SEA to ANC. The issue with most of the routes from the lower 48 to ANC is a/c availability. The reason CO, UA, US, etc., at least generally speaking, year-round service is that most of the a/c on these routes are RON and therefore can make a 9 hour rountrip to ANC and get back from a mornig launch.
Yes NW does have a/c that RON in SEA but the SEA-ANC market is very well covered by AS. The only way that anyone could make a dent in AS' customer base in ANC is to offer more then one or two flights a day. The reason AS does so well is that this has been a market for them for years. If NW had 5+ flights a day year-round between MSP-ANC then may be but that seems pretty unrealistic with both the distance/time as well as the cost of fuel and dedication of a/c to the route.
Keep in mind that SEA is the closest major US city to ANC. Thus being the first choice of many Alaskans having to make connections.
And please don't add all the summer activity that the non-Alaska Airlines airlines add. THIS IS TOURIST TRAFFIC. If you were to separate out the tourist traffic from the year-round Alaskan traveler there is not a huge demand. The day-to-day ANC or even State of Alaska traffic does vary much from summer to winter. Yes we Alaskans head to Mexico and Hawai'i but considering there is only 675,000 people in the state that doesn't equate to a market. Alaska Airlines satisfies the day-to-day need well.
Hatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1510 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 8531 times:
Every airline has every right to build out of their home hub. Why is AS any different? Delta is an AS partner yet they are adding LAX-ANC. Why aren't we flaming them for doing that when AS already flies there? If anything, this is smarter than most moves because you're still feeding NW traffic in MSP. And I agree with Socalatc...maybe this is a precursor to reduced SEA-MSP frequencies by NW once the merger is complete.
I just don't see why AS should have to defend their route choices when SEA is THEIR hub. If anything we should have said NW should never have been allowed to fly to Hawaii from SEA because AS should have done it first. Great for AS to expand east. Would love to see SLC, DTW, IAH, STL and definitely ATL someday.
PlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 6273 posts, RR: 28
Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 8517 times:
Quoting Hatbutton (Reply 22): I just don't see why AS should have to defend their route choices when SEA is THEIR hub.
If you mean defend their decisions to NW, then I don't know. If you mean defend their decisions to us, I guess I'm missing where anyone is criticising them for adding MSP to their network. If anything, some are only wondering what NW might do, as their track record speaks for itself.
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Hatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1510 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 8480 times:
Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 23): If you mean defend their decisions to NW, then I don't know. If you mean defend their decisions to us, I guess I'm missing where anyone is criticising them for adding MSP to their network. If anything, some are only wondering what NW might do, as their track record speaks for itself.
I guess I'm not responding to criticism. I just hear these same questions every time AS goes to a new place. Problem is, there aren't many large cities left without service out of SEA so I don't know where else AS is supposed to go. If anything, this extra capacity should supplement some of their partner flying and bring even more people in to places like MSP as connecting passengers. I don't think AS would go into NW's hub without thinking about their closest partner other than QX first. If they launched 8 times daily service I'd be worried. But AS probably worked it out to see that 2x/day similar to DFW would do nothing but benefit both partner carriers.
: I don't think NW will do anything. They might be thankful that AS is adding more flights between the two cities, I do support that.
: No I was thinking more like an A330 on the SEA-ANC route Honestly, I do not think AS entering the market will impact NW much. NW mostly flies larger
: When LGA is something like AA's 8th-largest domestic station, MSP-LGA is arguably less 'justified' than a route from MSP to a carrier's principal hub
: I would agree. I guess my only point - if it was even necessary - was that I don't really see anyone complaining, criticising, or even really questio
: When DL vacated their hangar at SEA, AS was close to buying it. NW wanted it, and when it looked like AS would get it, NW added a large plane to the S
: Great news for AS, this comes as a surprise to me since I thought they were tight on A/C but both these routes seem like winners!
: I think the AS MSP service could be a test to see how the NW/DL behemoth will respond... I think AS is betting they can make some money as NW and DL a
: Sweet, this should be good for KOA in general I feel and to a lessor MSP.
: They are cutting SFO-YVR and seasonal SFO-CUN/PVR/ZIH. That will free up some a/c
: I wished alaska air had 757 or order a few of the 787's
: Dave I guess it was just this quote that annoyed me a little because AS is bigger at SEA than NW... I agree, I may have overreacted a bit off the bat.
: I am betting we will see a separation between NW/DL and AS. There is a point when you start bumping into each other and I think this proves they are a
: This wouldn't be very wise if you think they want to increase their presence from the west coast. Remember that not only do they codeshare with AS, t