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AZ In 90's.. How Times Have Changed!  
User currently offlineLasflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 14 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3921 times:

As I read some other posts, I flashed back to an AZ flight I took in the mid-90's. TLV-FCO

It was a DINGY A300. It was so filthy we could not clearly see the video screen. My father and I were in the first row (1A&B). The overhead had the oxygen tanks and bin across the aisle was full. We told the flight attendant. She seemed incredibly young and inexperienced. After seeing all the storage space was full, she became flustered, putting the bag on the floor in front of my seat saying, "We put it here," and walked away. Immediately after takeoff, the F/A's lit up cigarettes in their crew seats.

The cockpit door never closed. At one point, either the pilot or FO left the cockpit to have a cigarette in the galley with the flight attendants.

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User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3308 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 3852 times:

Okay, I'll bite.... How have times changed? AZ is still osing buckets of money, and still staffed by many who see the job as a government paycheck. What has changed?

User currently offlineSflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 3829 times:



Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 1):
What has changed?

ROFL! Exactly, I don't think times have changed at all! My last AZ flight had flight attendants chewing gum and drinking (soft drink) while serving. I love the fact that they do it all dressed up and decked out though! True Italian style!


User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3784 times:



Quoting Lasflyer (Thread starter):

Good Ol´times. Big grin

Quoting Lasflyer (Thread starter):
The cockpit door never closed. At one point, either the pilot or FO left the cockpit to have a cigarette in the galley with the flight attendants.

Probably today they smoke in the cockpit.  Smile


User currently offlineBanjo76 From Italy, joined Apr 2008, 189 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3387 times:

Actually in the 90s cockpit doors were not closed in many other flights by different carriers.
FAs smoked too in other flights and it still happens to come across filthy aircrafts.
What should I say about current FAs in the US airlines I usually fly, I have been in flights (DL, US, WN, etc) where FAs are probabaly 70 year old ladies... How are they supposed to take care of my safety in the event of an emergency?

Sorry I don't wanna defend AZ at all costs, it is a crappy Airline that only deserves to die right now.
But this thread is useless and falls into the category of "bashing Italians for free" that is kind of a popular hobby amongst anglo-saxon countries. Please give us a break...

Banjo


User currently offlineSQ772 From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 1792 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3167 times:

When I saw the title of this thread, I was half expecting it to speak of how great AZ was in the 90s.... only to realise that apart from smoking openly in the aircraft, nothing else has changed.

I love AZ's crew uniform though, so chic and beautifully designed. It makes the ladies stand out at airports. Unfortunately, that front ends the moment these ladies get onboard the aircraft and inflight service starts. It's a real pity that so few of them show any pride in their work.

[Edited 2008-05-21 20:17:30]


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User currently offlineLasflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 14 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3114 times:

Banjo,

I enjoyed the time I spent in Italy and the charisma of the Italian people. That was just the most appalling flight I have ever taken and I thought others would enjoy sharing the experience with me.


User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5726 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 3083 times:



Quoting Banjo76 (Reply 4):
How are they supposed to take care of my safety in the event of an emergency?

"In case of emergency, find your nearset wheelchair/walker and brace"



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User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4757 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 2966 times:

Ah well... Alitalia is just another SABENA living on borrowed time.


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User currently offlineBanjo76 From Italy, joined Apr 2008, 189 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 2851 times:



Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 7):

"In case of emergency, find your nearset wheelchair/walker and brace"

ah ah that's an idea !!!

Quoting Lasflyer (Reply 6):
I enjoyed the time I spent in Italy and the charisma of the Italian people. That was just the most appalling flight I have ever taken and I thought others would enjoy sharing the experience with me.

Unfortunately it happens quite often that Alitalia flights are not up to standard...and in the 90s Alitalia wasn't any better.
AFAIK to have good Alitalia flights we have to step back to the 60s and 70s that's but way too behind in time for me... never had the occasion to fly on one of those.
I still don't see the point of this thread BTW, why don't we talk of what is the service like on current AZ flights (well maybe we don't because very few of us have the courage to book an AZ ticket nowadays...)

Banjo


User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6944 posts, RR: 77
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 2806 times:

I won't join the AZ bashing crowd. Just had two flights in early April - they weren't perfect, but not bad either. In terms of service, catering and IFE I have experienced numerous worse (European and American) carriers.

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...ums/trip_reports/read.main/124587/


PH



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User currently offlineLOUMEL From Australia, joined May 2008, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 2778 times:



Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 10):
I won't join the AZ bashing crowd. Just had two flights in early April - they weren't perfect, but not bad either. In terms of service, catering and IFE I have experienced numerous worse (European and American) carriers.

Count me in too...Flew MEL-BKK vv back in the '90, service was excellent the meal they served after takeoff from BKK still sets the benchmark I judge all airlines in Y by. It will be disppointing if they cease flying.


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8513 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 2560 times:
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Only if Alitalia hadn't been pig headed and merged with KLM in the 1990's, they would have had an extraordinary airline today. Air France or no AF, KLM-Alitalia would have two or three hubs.

User currently offlineJanmnastami From Italy, joined Apr 2008, 828 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 2553 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 12):
Only if Alitalia hadn't been pig headed and merged with KLM in the 1990's, they would have had an extraordinary airline today.

I agree with you. The AZ-KLM merger was a big opportunity!


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27337 posts, RR: 60
Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 2541 times:

My memory from AZ in the 90's was flying DUB-MXP-ATH and I have to say I loved them. The A/C were clean , the service was good and the crew looked elegant in their uniforms. MXP transit area was a dump though. I think things are alot worse than back then . Shame it went like it did....

User currently offlineTrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2400 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 2374 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 12):
Only if Alitalia hadn't been pig headed and merged with KLM in the 1990's, they would have had an extraordinary airline today. Air France or no AF, KLM-Alitalia would have two or three hubs.

Interesting, I wasn't aware they were close to merging. Too bad... maybe AZ's MD-11s would still be pax birds, for one airline or the other.



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User currently offlineTrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2400 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 2367 times:



Quoting Banjo76 (Reply 4):
But this thread is useless and falls into the category of "bashing Italians for free" that is kind of a popular hobby amongst anglo-saxon countries. Please give us a break...

In the US, there is almost always a mafia stigma attached for that category. And since we are not a minority or jewish, it is somehow acceptable in the BS politically correct American society.



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User currently offlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2446 posts, RR: 23
Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 2356 times:



Quoting Banjo76 (Reply 4):
What should I say about current FAs in the US airlines I usually fly, I have been in flights (DL, US, WN, etc) where

How was your WN experience?

I heard some good stories about AZ and bad ones- I have never flown on them so I guess thats what it takes in order to put in my 2 cents on their FA's.

Quoting Banjo76 (Reply 4):
Sorry I don't wanna defend AZ at all costs, it is a crappy Airline that only deserves to die right now.
But this thread is useless and falls into the category of "bashing Italians for free"

Coming from an Italian heritage myself, I would love to see AZ return to its former "glory days". I am sure the Greeks can say the same about OA too.



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User currently offlineBanjo76 From Italy, joined Apr 2008, 189 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2292 times:



Quoting SXDFC (Reply 17):
How was your WN experience?

I fly them constantly all over the US, and they remind me of FR.
Honestly I don't like them, but they do their job, good fares and they still allow to check 2 bags.
The FAs are usually appalling, min age in many flight is 60 (or they look like) can be very rude and when I lean just a bit out of the aisle seat they have the tendency to hit my head with their elbows and complain I'm bothering them (not directly).
It happens that some of them sometimes are nice and make weird announcements and often smile at you.
I guess at the end it comes to the individual.

Concerning AZ:
I have to say, I don't fly Alitalia much, my usual carrier is AF.
Lately (last 6 months) I've been flying them on MIA-MXP/FCO they are pretty inexpensive nowadays and since my company pays for the fare they don't let me fly AF.
I've flown on 763 and on 772 in Y and the aircraft were decent the IFE in the 772 was above average, on the 763 was just, you know, what you can get with no personal TV.
The food was much above average, the FAs were quite nice but really too many male FAs.
MXP is a mess, they have to take it down.
FCO tends to be crowded but OK, I think with AF injection of money FCO could have got a great hub. Well too late now.
I'd say that my 4 flights were comparable to AF and definitely better than DL (flew PBI ATL VCE and PBI JFK VCE).
So I'd say that they are just ok concerning the service, not wonderful, not bad, the ticket pretty inexpensive though.
On a side note, you could read concern big time in FAs' faces.

What is bad about Alitalia is simply the non-profitability.
In terms of service no way can Alitalia be considered worse than many US carriers such as AA US or DL. The only one that is surely better is CO.

Quoting SXDFC (Reply 17):
Coming from an Italian heritage myself, I would love to see AZ return to its former "glory days".

Me too. I don't think it'll happen though, at least in the short term.
What a pity.

Banjo


User currently offlineHalophila From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 646 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (6 years 7 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2279 times:

I don't like AZ for a number of reasons. In the late '90s I flew them primarily MXP/FLR/MXP, but more recently LIS/FCO/FLR/FCO/LIS and BUD/MXP/FLR.

I will say this in their defense: Their flight attendants on all flights were very professional, and the check-in attendants also very good.

But after a nasty stranding experience because of strikes, I wouldn't recommend flying AZ to my worse enemy. Sorry.



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User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (6 years 7 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2171 times:

Then and now, always and forever, a joke of an airline.

User currently offlineJanmnastami From Italy, joined Apr 2008, 828 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 7 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2005 times:



Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 15):
Interesting, I wasn't aware they were close to merging. Too bad... maybe AZ's MD-11s would still be pax birds, for one airline or the other.

The Board of Directors of KLM broke the merger (for many reasons, AZ made also some errors in my opinion) and KLM paid 250 million of euro to AZ.


User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2264 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (6 years 7 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1968 times:

In 2005, I flew AZ JFK-FCO for a week long vacation in "the Eternal City", returning FCO-YYZ.

The flight crew on the FCO-YYZ flight was without a doubt the surliest, most difficult flight crew I've ever flown with. I was seated in row 11 on a 767, two or three rows behind the bulkhead. FCO was very hot, so after I got to my seat, I went to the business class galley, and very politely asked the purser for a glass of water. The purser snarled at me that because I was not flying business class, he couldn't help me. I politely explained that I was seated at the front of Y, and didn't want to jam up the aisle by going all the way back to the Y galley for water. The purser got even madder at me - I thought he was going to drag me out of the business class galley.

On every other airline I've flown, the flight attendants in the F / C galleys have been glad to help me with a pre takeoff glass of water, as long as I drink it in the galley out of sight of other passengers.

Throughout the flight, the flight attendants in Y were totally indifferent to passengers, and, worst of all for an airline from Italy, the food was terrible!

My vacation in Rome was without a doubt the best vacation I've ever taken (and I've been to Europe many times); virtually everyone I dealt with, at my hotel and at the restaurants I visited, was friendly and attentive. It is a real shame that my dreadful flight home on AZ ended the vacation so badly!



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User currently offlineGT4EZY From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 1804 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (6 years 7 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1935 times:



Quoting Banjo76 (Reply 18):
the FAs were quite nice but really too many male FAs.

Why were there too many male crew members?



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User currently offlineBanjo76 From Italy, joined Apr 2008, 189 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 7 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1872 times:



Quoting GT4EZY (Reply 23):
Why were there too many male crew members?

I don't know why, but AZ FAs seem always to be 90% men. Not that this is bad indeed, but sometimes some feminine touch makes the flight more enjoyable.

Banjo


User currently offlineRAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 6
Reply 25, posted (6 years 7 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1696 times:
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Well, I remember when I started to work in Italy as a tourist guide... what a great remembers...

Last years of 90's taking the first flights from both MAD and BCN to LIN and FCO with the chance to choose your smoking or non-smoking seat, with those MD80's and with the same coffee than now, horrible for your tummy and your health...

Quoting Banjo76 (Reply 24):
I don't know why, but AZ FAs seem always to be 90% men

Ahhhhh!!! What a great remembers... But I must to confess that the crew of AZ to Spain was always in majority beautiful women. Not kind but beautiful women.

Regards,

Gerard

[Edited 2008-05-24 10:37:22]


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