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User currently offlineRavel From Finland, joined Feb 2006, 137 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2832 times:

The first 787 has been just "787-8 Dreamliner". When will its complete model number be public information?

As it is destined for Boeing, the customer number is known, but I have not seen any official information about actual model numbers (for the prototype or other frames). It has been suggested that the actual model will be Boeing 787-8xx in the certification.

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User currently offlineANITIX87 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 3299 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2783 times:
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Most past Boeing models were xxx-200, xxx-300, etc. Then the 200 or 300 would change based on the customer number (777-328 for AF, for example). However, the Dreamliner will use 787-8 and 787-9, with the customer codes being ADDED to the designation. (787-828 for AF, to be consistent, albeit probably wrong, in my example).

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User currently offlinePianos101 From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 365 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2692 times:

Well since L/N 1 is ANA's aircraft, it will probably be 787-881 (787-8 is the basic model, and 81 is ANA's customer code).

AFA's would probably be -828. They're doing things a little differently with the "-8" instead of "-800" but I think the customer codes will still work the same way (right now L/N 1 is still listed as an original/current configuration of 787-8 with no customer code, but that will probably change).


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30409 posts, RR: 84
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2692 times:
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I expect ZA001's official designation will be 787-881 since "81" is the customer code for NH and they will receive ZA001 once it is completed.

ZA003 and ZA004 would have been 787-851s (NW's code), but I am guessing they will be 787-832s (DL's).


User currently offlineMicstatic From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 775 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2692 times:

Does anybody think that the aviation community will reject Boeing's vision of using 787-3 for example, and instead continue referring to them as a 787-300?


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User currently offlineLegoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3312 posts, RR: 40
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2655 times:

So if / when the Boeing 787-10 is built and flying, it will become 787-1081? (using Stitch's example of NH's customer code being 81). Effectively doesn't that just make the 787 series consist of 800's, 900's and 1000's?


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User currently offlinePianos101 From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 365 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2568 times:

After doing some digging something interesting came up... ALL future non-87 models (777, 47, etc) that are already assigned to a customer have a customer designation (e.g. 777 L/N 789 will be a 777-232. This delivery date is pretty far off). However, ALL 87's that have an assigned customer code do not have a firing order designation (777-232 in the other case). All 87's have a firing order designation of "787-8" (no other derivatives have been ordered yet). Firing order designation is determined when the aircraft is initially assigned to a customer and won't usually change. Unless something is changed right before delivery, it looks like there are no customer designations for the 87's (weird...). If this is the case, it might have to do with the fact that the 87's have a completely different catalog process than other models. Airlines were only given certain choices about what can be installed in the cabin, instead of the free-for-all that happens on other models (i've had experience in that, it definitely is a free-for-all). Greatly reducing the number of options makes the planes more "alike" and might be the reason for not having customer codes............

Quoting Stitch (Reply 3):
ZA003 and ZA004 would have been 787-851s (NW's code), but I am guessing they will be 787-832s (DL's).

I think we already talked about this... The aircraft are all contracted and final assy has even begun. The "-851" designates a configuration as set in the firing order, done when the aircraft are first contracted. Since all interiors and configurations have been set for these aircraft, I'm pretty sure that the "configuration" is still -X51 and will not be -X32. On top of that, who knows when the merger's going to go through... As for what I said above, let's see what happens with that...

Quoting Micstatic (Reply 4):
Does anybody think that the aviation community will reject Boeing's vision of using 787-3 for example, and instead continue referring to them as a 787-300?

No... I don't see why they wouldn't accept it...


User currently offlineRavel From Finland, joined Feb 2006, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2382 times:



Quoting Pianos101 (Reply 6):
After doing some digging something interesting came up... ALL future non-87 models (777, 47, etc) that are already assigned to a customer have a customer designation (e.g. 777 L/N 789 will be a 777-232. This delivery date is pretty far off). However, ALL 87's that have an assigned customer code do not have a firing order designation (777-232 in the other case). All 87's have a firing order designation of "787-8" (no other derivatives have been ordered yet).

Excellent research, thank you!  Smile

Do you happen to have an opinion on how much the customer differences vary between Boeing and Airbus aircraft, e.g. between models A319-111 and A319-122 and between two Boeing customer models? (And, how about Embraer, Ilyushin, Tupolev, Bombardier, ATR and so on...)


User currently offlinePianos101 From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 365 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2383 times:



Quoting Ravel (Reply 7):

Do you happen to have an opinion on how much the customer differences vary between Boeing and Airbus aircraft

Hmm i personally don't. But i think that since the codes are manufacturer related and tell a certain configuration, I don't see why they would be the same. But i have no idea....


User currently offlineRwy04LGA From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2281 times:



Quoting Ravel (Reply 7):
Do you happen to have an opinion on how much the customer differences vary between Boeing and Airbus aircraft, e.g. between models A319-111 and A319-122 and between two Boeing customer models? (And, how about Embraer, Ilyushin, Tupolev, Bombardier, ATR and so on...)

PilotBoi has an interesting website that might help answer those questions. I forget the URL for it...ask him.



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30409 posts, RR: 84
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2147 times:
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Airbus does not use customer codes for their aircraft. Instead, the first digit is the model series, the second digit is the engine manufacturer, and the third digit is the engine model.

0: General Electric
1: CFM
2: Pratt&Whitney
3: IAE
4: Rolls Royce
6: Engine Alliance


User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2109 times:

The first 787s for Air India will be 787-837 (CN 36273-36299) VT-ANA - E , VT-ANG - Z , VT-NAA , VT-NAC .

Ravel

Airbus doesn't assigne any customer numbers , only engine numbers.

A319-11X are CFM56 powered
A319-13X are V2500 powered

The "X" is the version of the engine.

A330-20X are GE powered
A330-21X are PW powered
A330-24X are RR powered

A380-84X are RR powered
A380-86X are GP powered

All the manufacturers you mentionned doesn't (didn't) assigne customer numbers. MDD didn't do it.

BAC , did it for the BAC111.BAC111-203AE was BAC111-200 for Braniff , BAC111-401AK was BAC111-400 for American.

Lockheed did it with the Tristar , by giving a letter as customer number.L1011-193C was an L1011-100 for Delta.B was for TWA , N was for British Aw , P was for All Nippon Aw ............


User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3946 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2097 times:



Quoting FCKC (Reply 11):
Lockheed did it with the Tristar , by giving a letter as customer number.L1011-193C was an L1011-100 for Delta.B was for TWA , N was for British Aw , P was for All Nippon Aw ............

I knew about the stuff in the rest of your post but I didn't know this ^ . Thanks for the info!

R


User currently offlineTdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1944 times:



Quoting Ravel (Thread starter):
The first 787 has been just "787-8 Dreamliner". When will its complete model number be public information?

787-8

Quoting Ravel (Thread starter):
It has been suggested that the actual model will be Boeing 787-8xx in the certification.

Very unlikely. Type certificates for all other Boeing models do not include customer codes, so I don't see why the 787 would.

Quoting Micstatic (Reply 4):
Does anybody think that the aviation community will reject Boeing's vision of using 787-3 for example, and instead continue referring to them as a 787-300?

Not really...why would they?

Quoting Ravel (Reply 7):
Do you happen to have an opinion on how much the customer differences vary between Boeing and Airbus aircraft, e.g. between models A319-111 and A319-122 and between two Boeing customer models?

It depends on which two customers you're talking about. The largest variance is probably between the LCC's and the BBJ's.

Tom.


User currently offlineRavel From Finland, joined Feb 2006, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1880 times:



Quoting FCKC (Reply 11):
Airbus doesn't assigne any customer numbers , only engine numbers.

I know, that's why I asked if the typical number of differences between ordered planes varies from Boeing to Airbus.


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