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User currently offlineCle757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1145 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5049 times:

Continental starts CLE-CDG service tomorrow!

http://blog.cleveland.com/travel/200...continentals_nonstop_to_paris.html


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User currently offlineAgentXE1225 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 166 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5031 times:

YAY! Yet another option for rebooking EWR passengers! Except that our CLE flts are filling up now that word is out and NW pax now know that they DO have options again!  goodvibes 

User currently offlineGreenair727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 617 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4847 times:

Looks like its almost completely sold out---14 seats left on the 757 for the maiden flight. Any chance CO will make the flight year-round rather than end it in a few months, and thus build on the momentum its already started?

User currently offlineFUN2FLY From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1091 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4783 times:



Quoting Greenair727 (Reply 2):
Looks like its almost completely sold out---14 seats left on the 757 for the maiden flight. Any chance CO will make the flight year-round rather than end it in a few months, and thus build on the momentum its already started?

In year's past, they have extended the LGW seasonal service into later Sept and Oct vs. what went on sale in the spring. An extension of the CDG flight would be a sign of the flight's profitability. If it does well, I think this could go 5x week during winter w/the CDG connection options. CO will have plenty of 739-er's in house by then to free the 752 up.

Long term viability of the route depends on two factors: 1) Most important: do they stay in Skyteam? (offering AF onward connections) and 2) do they start AMS service? (several companies would like this and most connecting pax would prefer it). I hope it works out - one less opportunity to go to EWR and get stuck!


User currently offlineHighflier92660 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 697 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4728 times:

"Michael Benz, president of Kollander World Travel in Cleveland, is hoping demand eventually leads to an aircraft upgrade, from a single-aisle Boeing 757 to a 767 or 777..."

He neglected to add that will probably happen when LeBron James, Kobe Bryant and Tim Duncan all play for the Cavaliers. For those of you overseas and unfamiliar with United States professional basketball, that is known as a hypothetical but impossible dream line-up.

O.K. folks it's groan time again with the mayor of Cleveland and four others ensconced in the tight coach confines of an intercontinental Boeing 757-200...that is 3,920 st.mi and 17.2" of "culo" space to you and me. And through it all, I've never been able to determine the publicity upside to these inaugural junkets by politicians.

Awhile back when former Mayor White went to London Gatwick aboard the same type of aircraft all we saw was a miserable guy sardined into a (IIRC) center coach seat trying to look diplomatically happy. Almost instantaneously, the reviews came back about the puny airplane Continental put on the run, leading to a reasoning process that perhaps all Cleveland was worth was a lousy Boeing 757. Yes, Cleveland was being deliberately slighted for being...well...Cleveland, as if (sophisticated airline passenger traffic generation models aside) we had been Detroit or Philadelphia a Boeing 747-400 would have pulled up the gate.

I just hope WEWS and WKYC use a fish-eye ultra-wide perspective for those in-flight interviews and maybe Continental Airlines could have some upgraded inaugural grub for the pax.  Smile


User currently offlineCLE757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4374 times:

Anyone flying on the first flight today?


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User currently offlinePbb152 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 619 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4355 times:

The loads for the weekend for CLE-CDG look solid, but the return flights from CDG-CLE on Friday and Saturday look pretty anemic. I counted 80 empty seats on Friday and 70 on Saturday according to this website:

http://pda.continental.com/Test20/FlightStatusGateInfo.aspx

BizFirst is booked well on those flights though which is where the money will be made (in addition to cargo which will probably be limited due to the length of the flight) if they aren't being taken by employees trying to go on the first flights. Obviously their is still time to sell last-minute seats at a premium for these flights, and it is a brand new flight so I'm sure it will get better as the route matures. It is Flt 134 outbound from CLE and Flt 135 for the return if you want to check the flights on the above site.


User currently offlineCLE757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4282 times:



Quoting Pbb152 (Reply 6):
The loads for the weekend for CLE-CDG look solid, but the return flights from CDG-CLE on Friday and Saturday look pretty anemic. I counted 80 empty seats on Friday and 70 on Saturday according to this website

I can tell you that there are not quite 80 and 70 empty seats left, its not full though. But pretty good loads for a new route.



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User currently offlineHighflier92660 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 697 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4213 times:

CLE757 : Are you able to get some photos of the inaugural party at the gate this afternoon? If not, perhaps someone like Chuck S. who is gifted with photography.

I really wish all the best for Continental Airlines as well as the city of Cleveland. International service on this level has been a dream (and only that) for decades.

Lastly, I promise to fight off thoughts that would ruin this special day.......like the vision of Mayor Frank Jackson and City Council President Martin Sweeney trying to chase down French President Nicolas Sarkozy and his new wife Carla Bruni aboard a luxury yacht off Cap d' Antibes in order to invite them for a Cleveland luncheon aboard the Goodtime III.


User currently offlineCLE757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4206 times:



Quoting Highflier92660 (Reply 8):
CLE757 : Are you able to get some photos of the inaugural party at the gate this afternoon? If not, perhaps someone like Chuck S. who is gifted with photography.

Sorry I wont be at the airport today.

Quoting Highflier92660 (Reply 8):
Lastly, I promise to fight off thoughts that would ruin this special day.......like the vision of Mayor Frank Jackson and City Council President Martin Sweeney trying to chase down French President Nicolas Sarkozy and his new wife Carla Bruni aboard a luxury yacht off Cap d' Antibes in order to invite them for a Cleveland luncheon aboard the Goodtime III.

 rotfl 



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User currently offlineDavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4189 times:



Quoting Highflier92660 (Reply 4):
And through it all, I've never been able to determine the publicity upside to these inaugural junkets by politicians

So they can have a few days in Paris "working" for CLE by being intertained by French counter-parts. What else?

Dave



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User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5604 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4130 times:



Quoting Pbb152 (Reply 6):
The loads for the weekend for CLE-CDG look solid, but the return flights from CDG-CLE on Friday and Saturday look pretty anemic.

Which makes it appear the bulk of the traffic is US originations. Give them a week in their destinations and see if the CLE-bound loads pick up.

The amount of money being spent to send a few politicians on the inaugural flight is chicken feed. If all they do is call at the Institut Pasteur, it will be worth it; but that won't be all they do. Jeez...



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User currently offlineMnevans From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 168 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4117 times:

Good day for CLE. I hope this route DOES get upgraded, maybe with a 764 when the 787's come in... wishful thinking.

User currently offlineCO7e7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2849 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4018 times:

I had the option of flying CDG-CLE on 7/11/08 but i decided not to do it. Instead, i'm flying CDG-EWR on a 772 and then EWR-CLE on a 752. All on CO of course.

I don't think i can handle 8 or 9 hours in a 757....

Good luck to both CO and CLE....

Quoting Mnevans (Reply 12):
hope this route DOES get upgraded, maybe with a 764 when the 787's come in...

That would be really nice!!!

- CO7e7


User currently offlineBcoz From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 372 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3987 times:



Quoting Cle757 (Thread starter):

Awhile back when former Mayor White went to London Gatwick aboard the same type of aircraft all we saw was a miserable guy sardined into a (IIRC) center coach seat trying to look diplomatically happy.

I could have sworn that Mike White was up front on the inaugural CO 66 from CLE to LGW (6/30/99), although it hsa been almost nine years so I could be wrong. I was on that flight as an intern for WTAM. I always was jealous how the PD writer and all the TV folks got to stay in London for a few days. Us radio folks turned right around and came home on CO 67. My passport has stamps for entry into the U.K. and re-entry into the United States both dated July 1.

I remember they had an Elvis impersonator at the LGW gate owing to the Rock Hall. I was assigned to get reaction sound from a group of high school kids from Stow who were returning home from Europe. I asked about one question and said, "yeah...let me get back to you a little later after I have had the chance to sleep a bit." I'd been up for about 27 straight hours at that point...

Ah....the memories!

Congrats to CLE on the CDG service!

bcoz


User currently offlineRampkontroler From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 859 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3817 times:



Quoting CLE757 (Reply 9):

Quoting Highflier92660 (Reply 8):
CLE757 : Are you able to get some photos of the inaugural party at the gate this afternoon? If not, perhaps someone like Chuck S. who is gifted with photography.

Sorry I wont be at the airport today.

I got some pics of the gate area (C-27) before going upstairs today, and it's quite an event! There are balloons, the Arc de Triomphe, little Eiffel Towers and everything. There will also be a water cannon salute and I WILL get pics! (I'll edit them when I get the chance, and you'll know where to find them!)

I'll also have the privelidge of being the guy who gets to clear his push and hand him over to ground!  Smile


User currently offlineADXMatt From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 954 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3675 times:

For those who care....

COA134 today went out with only 7 empty seats (not including the 6 f/a rest seats)

Was a/c N41140 B757-200 with AVOD throughout.

right now estimating CDG 3 min late but I'm sure that will be made up enroute.

Exciting day....

It would be nice for both LGW and CDG to go year round. .
..

Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 13):
I don't think i can handle 8 or 9 hours in a 757....

I've flown TA on the 757 and it wasn't bad. Granted I was in BF and not Y.


User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5727 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3667 times:



Quoting Greenair727 (Reply 2):
Looks like its almost completely sold out---14 seats left on the 757 for the maiden flight. Any chance CO will make the flight year-round rather than end it in a few months, and thus build on the momentum its already started?

Any chance CO will ever have the loads/yields high enough to warrant 767 service from CLE?



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User currently offlineADXMatt From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 954 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3618 times:



Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 17):
Any chance CO will ever have the loads/yields high enough to warrant 767 service from CLE?

A B767-200 (25/149) has pretty much the same number of seats as the B757-200 (16/159)

Unless CLE comes up with a lot of cargo or more BF pax on a consistant basis that actually pay BF fares it is doubtful. The range on the 767-200 is alot longer then the 757 and can serve more distant markets.

I would expect to see a 767 as a substitution every now and again due to MX or something.


User currently offlineBloodyrascal From Bahamas, joined Mar 2007, 191 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3544 times:

It is good to see that CO is sticking to its plan of expansion in CLE with more mainline flights. I really think this can be a profitable route. I just wondered why they never started it earlier. The only thing i can see about this flight not working is DL CVG-CDG flight

User currently offlineDavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3412 times:



Quoting ADXMatt (Reply 18):
Unless CLE comes up with a lot of cargo or more BF pax on a consistant basis that actually pay BF fares it is doubtful. The range on the 767-200 is alot longer then the 757 and can serve more distant markets.

Is it possible they'd get enough traffic connecting in for the flight to upgrade it? I know a great deal of CLE is RJ's, but it has a fair amount of mainline as well.


Dave



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User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5727 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3363 times:



Quoting ADXMatt (Reply 18):
A B767-200 (25/149) has pretty much the same number of seats as the B757-200 (16/159)

But it has more up front BizFirst availability, which might make a CLE flight more attractive than trying to connect through EWR.



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3346 times:



Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 21):
But it has more up front BizFirst availability, which might make a CLE flight more attractive than trying to connect through EWR.

Doubtful.

Three things working against it:
1) relative lack of paid-J O&D, ditto transfer
2) short runway for the distance being flown
3) opportunity cost of not using the 762ER elsewhere

A 752 can, and will, do this route well. Why "waste" a 762ER on CLE-CDG, when it could otherwise be used to address another market that is: stronger in premium demand, stronger in cargo demand, beyond the 752's range/payload capability, or a combination of all three of the above? Particularly when they're facing a major nearterm shortage of longhaul equipment.


User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5604 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3218 times:



Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 22):
Three things working against it:
1) relative lack of paid-J O&D, ditto transfer
2) short runway for the distance being flown
3) opportunity cost of not using the 762ER elsewhere

I agree a widebody for CLE-CDG (or any other CLE route) is unlikely before 787's are available in numbers.

Your reason 2, however, isn't valid. 9000ft (soon to be 10,000ft) is sufficient for anything to western Europe other than 747's, MD-11's, and some freighters at MTOW.

Do you think the very good front cabin loads this summer are a lot of reward flying?



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User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6538 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3169 times:



Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 11):
Which makes it appear the bulk of the traffic is US originations. Give them a week in their destinations and see if the CLE-bound loads pick up.

France is one of , if not the only country with flights to the US that relies on US boardings rather than foreign boardings. It has always been this way as far as I know.


25 CLE757 : Actually the J fare and O&D traffic is doing very well.
26 Davescj : That has to be a good sign. Any way to get a sense of the F connecting traffic? I would think they'd be able to pull from the entire midwest. If the
27 CLE757 : [quote=Davescj,reply=26]That has to be a good sign. Any way to get a sense of the F connecting traffic? I would think they'd be able to pull from the
28 ConcordeBoy : It's quite valid. 9K.ft won't present an operational challenge for getting a 762ER to Euroland, but it would not facilitate a guaranteed unrestricted
29 MasseyBrown : No, thanks; but you said: which I took to mean you think customers in the front cabin who pay business class fares are relatively few. But the front
30 ConcordeBoy : ...apparently, you missed the: Using EWR as the standard of comparison.
31 Goldorak : I don't understand what you mean ?
32 Bobnwa : What I mean is that France is one of the few if not the only country with flights to the US that does not outsell the US in tickets purchased. Put an
33 MasseyBrown : Too subtle for me, cb.
34 Davescj : This is slight OT, but could CLE be a good expansion for other routes to europe? I'm thinking of Shannon or Dublin, well within in a 757 distances....
35 Goldorak : Dear Bobnwa, I don't think this is true (although it doesn't really matter ). I just found these figures (2006-2007) on AF website. So, OK, it's only
36 CLE757 : I think we will see AMS next.
37 N62NA : I've done it (in coach!) a few times when I used to travel EWR - LAX/SFO. Here's a sample: 5:00pm - board plane for 5:30pm departure 5:30pm - learn t
38 Bobnwa : Your numbers do show that Americans supply more passengers to the flight than the French. I believe this would be the only country that the Americans
39 MasseyBrown : Philips and Akzo Nobel both have large operations in CLE so AMS might well be possible. AMS has certainly been rumored enough. FRA might also be poss
40 Bcoz : Aren't you comparing apples to oranges to a certain extent? The majority of the passengers still aren't Americans and France has less than a third of
41 Highflier92660 : MasseyBrown: I am wishing all the best that Continental is able to get a maximum yield out of this route, particularly for those 16 seats up front. Yo
42 WesternA318 : You make vaild points, I was just throwing an idea out there.
43 Bobnwa : The US has the 3rd largest population in the world, yet virtually all the countries in the world below it have passenger counts that outnumber the US
44 ConcordeBoy : Perhaps, though for every one of them, I'm willing to bet that there's a hundred people who don't have a clue what manner of aircraft they're on, nor
45 Highflier92660 : ConcordeBoy, you may be correct. After the last trip to London my aunt and uncle commented that the latest Virgin "747" interior looked somewhat diffe
46 DiscoverCSG : What does this mean?
47 ConcordeBoy : ...which would be your first mistake-- i.e., assuming that the aforementioned bore even the SLIGHTEST resemblance to the true market in question.
48 Davescj : I wouldn't mind a 757 in J.......but, usually CO has 2x the price of BA with more connections......so, I haven't made it on there yet. However, I thin
49 Highflier92660 : Deep beath...OOOMM. My example of A.netters was not meant as a typical airline market demographic. And don't be mislead by my seeming naivete; people
50 Bobnwa : ConcordeBoy is the resident intellectual on A. net. Think William F. Buckley.
51 ConcordeBoy : *aww, shucks cher*
52 MasseyBrown : Back on this subject, cb, and EWR comparisons aside, you may be right. In another forum a knowledgeable poster claimed 12 of the 16 front cabin seats
53 Brons2 : That's cause Bubba don't want to go anywhere that he can't drive to in his Suburban. 'Specially in one of those there airline seats! 17.2 inches? Tha
54 ConcordeBoy : It's very tough to analyze the situation with CLE vis-a-vis intercon flights without having the (private) numbers in front of you... this made doubly
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