B6MoneyGuyJFK From United States, joined Jun 2006, 198 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 21608 times:
AirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 21486 times:
Quoting B6MoneyGuyJFK (Reply 5): If I'm reading this correctly, in an effort to gain revenue, they will now be charging for the FIRST piece of baggage.
That's how I read it also ($15)...wonder if they gate agents will be stricter about carry-on's, so that they can attempt to increase revenue. Credit Card device at the gate?
B6MoneyGuyJFK From United States, joined Jun 2006, 198 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 21352 times:
Quoting AirCop (Reply 8): That's how I read it also ($15)...wonder if they gate agents will be stricter about carry-on's, so that they can attempt to increase revenue. Credit Card device at the gate?
Doesn't Delta have a system whereby all hand luggage has to be "red-tagged"? No red tag, and its not allowed as hand luggage. I would imagine American will institute this as well. I can just see the overloaded carryons...
Opinions are like @ssholes. Everyone has one, and everyone thinks everyone elses stinks!
Hiflyer From United States, joined Nov 2004, 1623 posts, RR: 6 Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 21353 times:
Quoting AirCop (Reply 8): )...wonder if they gate agents will be stricter about carry-on's, so that they can attempt to increase revenue. Credit Card device at the gate?
Have heard a few gate announcements already that if you have to surrender a bag at the gate and already have checked a bag that you will be charged for the second bag even though gate checked. I would surmise that charging at the gate will happen with the first bag as well now. However, I would suspect that focus will be put on the TSA checkpoints to strip folks of luggage prior to entering the checkpoint using vendors to avoid taking the problem to the gate.
UAL Bagsmasher From United States, joined Sep 1999, 2076 posts, RR: 14 Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 21250 times:
All this nickel and diming may seem ridiculous. But, people refuse to pay a fair price for tickets, so now they will be forced to fork over. I hope other carriers follow suit.
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Really? So I should refuse to pay $600 for a last-minute trip (full fare) from OKC to Houston on American (who is bleeding money) when I can get it for $350 on Southwest (who is still making money)? You really think that $600 is FAIR?!?!?
The majority of airlines in this country didn't get to this nickel and diming phase because of high gas and people refusing to pay fair prices for tickets. They got here because of their mismanagement....and we the passengers are now paying for it.
Hiflyer From United States, joined Nov 2004, 1623 posts, RR: 6 Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 21089 times:
AA is between a rock and a hardplace...they have no buyers for the expensive Eagle franchise, they have all their labor contracts open, they have 300 older MD80 series aircraft, the A300 fleet is tech heavy...and they don't have a dance partner.....credit is tight...and oil hit 130 this morning. They are upping all fees including ticket change and such as well.
So..if you don't want to pay the fees then pay an unrestricted fare.....otherwise it is all going a la carte now.
RFields5421 From United States, joined Jul 2007, 2568 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 21013 times:
While the bag fee is getting the most notice - that AA is cutting capacity by 12% is the biggest / best news in my opinion.
Glbltrvlr From United States, joined Oct 2007, 272 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 20897 times:
Quoting B6MoneyGuyJFK (Reply 10): Doesn't Delta have a system whereby all hand luggage has to be "red-tagged"? No red tag, and its not allowed as hand luggage. I would imagine American will institute this as well. I can just see the overloaded carryons...
Iloveboeing From United States, joined Oct 2005, 679 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 20855 times:
Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 7): That's it...I'm done with them! It truely has gotten out of hand with all the charges.
Yes it has! And if I hear these carriers calling themselves "premium," I will just laugh. These airlines have forgotten what it means to truly serve the people.
I know that oil just hit $130/barrel, but it isn't an excuse to nickel and dime customers to death. That is not good customer service.
They need to think how the consumers think. If they need to raise fares, then fine, but they need to offer additional services and INCLUDE it in the ticket price! It doesn't cost THAT much more to offer PTVs with AVOD and hot meals, and no, a sandwich does not constitute a "meal." The slight cost increase is marginal, compared to the new revenue they would gain from happier customers.
The purpose of an airline should not be to maximize profits and deliver higher earnings per share. Transportation should be for the people and offer the best service at an affordable price. No one expects interstate highways to make a profit. Why should airlines be any different?
It's time for flying to get back to what it should be. The best service at affordable prices. Management should be interested in the long-term health of the company, and not short-sighted and short-term goals just to please shareholders.
U.S. airlines, please stop this tyranny and oppression and get back to what you were meant to be! You should belong to the people! Humble yourselves and serve the people! Provide the best service you can possibly provide at an affordable price!
Maybe the executives of airlines like AA, CO, DL, NW, UA, and US should fly foreign carriers like SQ for several weeks and take notes on what airline service is supposed to be! Maybe they will get the idea through their heads that they can do better!
LAXdude1023 From United States, joined Sep 2006, 4434 posts, RR: 22 Reply 22, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 20804 times:
Wow, thats kind of a bombshell (the $15 to check a bag fee). I agree that if the other carriers dont follow suit, they probably wont go through with it in the long run. My guess is that other carriers will follow. I think they should have just increased fares $15 instead of charging for checked bags.
The domestic capacity reduction is a long time coming. It something that just has to be done. Does anyone know yet which markets will be affected?
Aside from the probable 2000 or so pilots and flt atts getting laid off as a result right? Not to mention ground personnel and such. Laid off into an economy that is tanking in front of our eyes.....
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United_Fan From United States, joined Nov 2000, 5814 posts, RR: 11 Reply 25, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 20742 times:
Since the last thread was deleted 5 minutes ago that I posted my question on,I'll post it again . When is this bag-fee taken? At check-in? If so,there are going to be alot of pissed off people. I'm planning on flying them to BUR this Summer,so I'de like to know....
[Edited 2008-05-21 07:51:37]
[Edited 2008-05-21 07:55:03]
Never rat on your friends,and always keep your mouth shut-Goodfellas.
26 PSU.DTW.SCE: Wow, I would really, really hate to be an AA / Eagle Customer Service agent this summer when this policy goes into effect. They are certainly going to
28 ATWZW170: I understand the need to raise prices but don't offer a fare of $200 then hit the passenger with $200 in fees. That does nothing but leave most people
29 Av8tor: Only because of their fuel hedges. When the hedges run out, they will not be profitable either.
30 ItalianFlyer: WOW...thats allot of metal going to Arizona !! Why the prop on the Eaglet side though? I was under the impression that in an high oil environment like
31 Airbazar: That statemet is ridiculous. People will pay fair market value. If AA's management can't make their business work in a fair market environment they s
32 B6fll: I hope all airlines including the LCC's start charging for all bags...Its time the customer start paying more to help offset the cost. Let them whine
33 GSPSPOT: Hear, hear!! This has been my thought process on the U.S. airline situation, almost verbatim, for quite some time.
34 PSU.DTW.SCE: I agree - this industry, economy, and country really is starting to suck. Oh if we could go back to 1997.
35 Hiflyer: Read the press release...eff for tickets purchased after June 15.....
36 AWACSooner: Ok...take out the part about country, and we're in agreement.
37 VictorKilo: From the press release: American Eagle has 39 E135's. Wouldn't be shocked to see all of them retired as a part of this action. I also wouldn't be shoc
38 Richierich: I'm flabbergasted that people are as suprised by this as they say they are. The fact that this is happening to a legacy carrier is very significant, I
39 Hiflyer: The big carriers are teaching their checkin machines to handle that data....another reason they are forcing folks to them....the machines know ticket
40 RFields5421: The new fee goes into effect June 15. http://www.thestreet.com/s/american-...pla=Feed&cm_ite=Feed&puc=cnnmoney& http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/.
41 AAJFKSJUBKLYN: Something will bust very shortly at AA. Just read the press release on Jet Wire.....not GOOD..at all. Not good. Its the economy as a whole, it's scary
42 Nonrevman: I am glad my only trip on AA is before June 15. A lot of people make ticketing decisions on cost of the ticket. AA was a little cheaper from DFW to EL
43 CasInterest: Folks, This is the sign of desperation at the airlines to raise revenues. Unfortunately they are trying to raise revenues from the customers that have
44 B6fll: What it boils down to is if customers and people like AWACSooner dont want to pay for the charges or higher ticket prices, then dont. Have fun paying
45 Richierich: Whoa, easy there. Yes they just made a profit last quarter, but believe me they are as alarmed as other airlines. They know that without some good de
46 COflyerBOS: Maybe AA can charge a fee for bathroom use while in the air too? Oh, and they can add charges for seats while waiting at the gate! Seriously, did all
47 RFields5421: Quite frankly that is one thing which people tend to ignore when talking about Southwest and it profitability. My experience is that long distance or
48 EXAAUADL: I dont know if its scary as hell to be an American right now....you ve obviously had wayy too easy a life...but your point is the resultof the USA de
49 AWACSooner: That's true...it is about me me me. Cause I'M THE ONE PAYING!
50 RFields5421: No - they went to the Ryanair School of Airline Profitability.
51 Fleet Service: By virtue of commodities trades, in the business of transporting passengers from point A to point B they are in the same boat as the rest of the indu
52 VictorKilo: Why should I care what the airlines are going through? Why should I pay anything but the best fare (which may not be the cheapest base rate) for a fl
53 Lucianflyboy: Here's something from the local station http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dw...wfaa080521_wz_aafees.1522e30e.html
54 US330: If AA was smart, they'd institute a policy like Spirit, where you save money by pre-paying online for checked baggage. That said, I think that for AA
55 Ckfred: First, AA and Eagle better increase the amount of time it takes to turnaround aircraft, because there will be more carry-on bags. The more carry-on ba
56 Jacobin777: Ok, you can fly the other carriers which will do the same thing... Last I recalled, FR didnt' fly to NRT, DEL, etc... ..really, what about all of the
57 Fleet Service: You know, the more I think about it, the more I like the idea of nationalizing the airline industry. Just think, then all you people can bitch at the
58 Jaysan: This is easier said then done... Capacity is an issue and if AA tries to pass along a fare increase, one that would cover there cost and produce a sm
59 Bond007: Yes, it's quite laughable that the legacies still believe they can sell last minute tickets at $1200. The guys who bought those ten years ago, no lon
60 Spacecadet: Why should any of us worry about "what the airlines are going through" unless we work for one, in which case it's still a selfish sentiment? *We* are
62 AWACSooner: Really? Does WN do this? That wasn't what I meant, and you know it. I was talking about all the nickel and diming to death that FR is infamous for. B
63 AAJFKSJUBKLYN: Yeah I guess you don't. Welcome to it.
64 DocLightning: No, nobody is refusing to pay for tickets. The airlines are refusing to charge enough. If I need to get from A to B I will generally select the least
65 AWACSooner: I wholeheartedly agree with the first part. The second part though, might be a bit of a stretch. Let's see what happens after a few of them go belly-
66 Jacobin777: 1)I stated "will do"..2)I didn't state "all" of the carriers will do. I wouldn't be surprised to see some of the legacies do it. So what? The bottom
67 SQ452: Wow, charging for the first bag?! WTF! Every other airline better not follow suit, cause that's just ridiculous...why are they dumping all their costs
68 AAJFKSJUBKLYN: Look at the history and facts of nickle and diming for added features, AA didn't start 90% of them, and most were iniatated by other airlines and AA
69 TOLtommy: Av8tor has it right. WN is finding it harder and harder to remain profitable as their cost of fuel goes up. It just isn't going up as fast as it does
70 AWACSooner: Link? Cause if this is true, then AA just lost a whole bunch of ground. I almost did as well...come to think of it, I still owe them one after the wa
71 737DAB320: Because airlines are not directly controlled and operated by government. Airlines are corporations and as such, they are expected to maximize profits
72 B777a340fan: US airlines seem to have no long-term plan and appear to be caulking patches here and there in order to stay afloat. What they don't realize is that t
73 United_Fan: So,is this a one-way fee,or a round-trip charge? AA is still cheaper than B6,so far,for mt ROC-BUR trip. And,I don't want to change planes more than o
74 AWACSooner: That may be true, but their hedges have been running out for several years now, and they've SLOWLY raised fares to keep it profitable. They haven't g
75 Md94: I think AA has crossed the line now and the new baggage charge will not stick. There is a limit to what people will put up with and to me this is it.
76 DocLightning: Who is left to go belly-up? UA? AA? CO? DL/NW? US? How many carriers do we need to be down to before we have to regulate it to prevent it from acting
77 Rbgso: I wonder what will happen when the next terrorism incident happens and they clamp down again on all carryon luggage. Baggage revenue will go through t
78 Lightsaber: This shows how tough it is for all of the airlines. I notice that full fare is exempt. Hopefully from the check in hassles too. (I fly about half full
80 Alitalia744: Yes they do. When you check in it gets a red tag "Carry-On Luggage/Up-and-Away." No tag, not usually allowed on the plane.
81 SQ452: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080521/...bi_ge/american_airlines_reductions Extracted from story linked above: 'But rival Delta doesn't plan to match A
82 Jfk777: Finally the A300-600R are going to the grave yard, they should have been gone long ago.
83 Jacobin777: What we don't need is re-regulation..the market will take care of itself... What we need for the govt. to do is to improve the current antiquated inf
84 LMP737: If there's anything I've learned being in this industry almost ten years is that anything can happen. IMO AA should have just added a $15 fuel surcha
85 Jetstar: My wife and I have flown Delta on 6 flights within the past month and we have yet to have our carry on luggage tagged. We each had a rollaboard and a
86 CrAAzy: At least the olives and guard dogs survived this round or cuts ... whew! I would expect that all first class and elite passenger will be exempt from t
87 Bond007: Not sure why you're banging your head against a wall. Is it because you truly believe that airlines ARE charging the correct fares in order to cover
88 LAXintl: Here is the employee Q&A regarding todays annoucement. 2008 Capacity Reductions Q & A 5/21/2008 2008 Capacity Adjustments, Aircraft Retirements and Re
89 Mir: I'd pay a fair price if the airlines would charge it. I agree with airfare. I have no problem paying more for tickets if that's what it costs the air
90 Alitalia744: Mostly out ofmajor hubs right now.
91 FATFlyer: I can see that the first checked bag fee is going to get all the criticism. Even if no other airline follows and they drop that fee, AA will still hav
92 MoMan: Does anyone know exactly how many A300 and MD80 aircraft will be retired? Supposedly AA is supposed to return 3 A300 to lessors this year, so is this
93 Mirrodie: Well, that pretty much has made my mind up. We got back from SXM to JFK this Sunday: We flew AA. I have been flying AA since birth, over 30 years now
94 IronDuke08: No offense, but I'm so tired of hearing this crap. What exactly do you want in the form of "service" on a 2 hour long flight? A full meal on crystal,
95 Jhooper: A new low--no wonder the public hates the airlines. I will be avoiding AA if at all possible.
96 MSYtristar: Yeah, this is freaking ridiculous. The problem here is that AA is still promoting itself as a full service carrier with high service standards. This i
97 StuckInCA: Exactly. Consumers shop. If there's a low fare, we may decide to take it. If airlines continue to offer those fares it's pretty disingenuous to blame
98 FlyASAGuy2005: Ummm...most fares you find on those sites will be the exact same on the carrier website. It's just easier to compare all of them at the same time on
99 BigOrange: But you don't go to the grocery store and the price sticker says $4 for a gallon of milk. WYSIWYG. Why can't the airlines do the same? That's because
100 Argonaut: Instead of which, AA and others are creating a forest of prices, giving the customer headaches when trying to price a journey, and giving an impressi
101 SparkingWave: Ditto that. I predict this baggage charge will become a total public relations disaster for AA. It was hard enough dealing with an AA LAX-JFK flight
102 United_Fan: So,after you fork over the above amount,they are going to insult you by asking for another $15 for your bag? Or are these charges only for us in the
103 OzarkD9S: This sounds like another step towards a la carte pricing in the US domestic market and it's high time. Pay for what you want. Baggage handlers draw a
104 JCS17: Congratulations, you have basically summarized the business philosophy of the MBAs that sit in upper management at most legacy airlines. We all know
105 JoePatroni: OOOh, I just love these discussions! A LOT of you talk of AA and several other airlines not charging the "right" price for these fares. I think you're
106 PiedmontINT: Im surprised no one has mentioned that this is also AA taking advantage of the asinine liquids ban. What happens when TSA catches you with a 4 ounce b
107 Mirrodie: Whats more, they are charging for a service they can't handle when it was free! AA is all over the map. You want to cater to your J and F passengers?
108 Surfrider1978: NO...How about stop the mismanagement and give the customer a premium product at a satisfactory price. If this trend keeps up we will start seeing al
109 AirNZ: What's the difference? At least you now have a personal choice whether to check a bag or not, or pay for any other service which are deemed 'importan
110 Imapilotaz: For those of you who think its just as easy as "charging what it costs to fly" then you are sorely mistaken. The reality is, if an airline charged the
111 LH423: Long weekend up here in the Great White North. Add to that a dollar that has been sitting for a few months now between 97¢ and $1 US and overall che
112 JCS17: I fly about 3-5 round-trips per year on AA out of necessity due to the convenient schedules from DFW. Usually I fly NW/CO or UA. For example, I had to
113 UAL-Fan: Can you even imagine what the check-in process will be like when all of a sudden almost every person has to hand over a credit card or cash? AND they'
114 Ckfred: It will be interesting to see where AA cuts the schedule. I would assume that AA won't cut its schedule at any airport that has slots or capacity cont
115 RFields5421: I was very disappointed in 2001 when the Commerce Dept change the way statistics like inflation and such were calculated. To minimize and almost excl
116 AirNZ: And you forgot to add they are very highly profitable, with record numbers flying them each year.
117 EXAAUADL: That's not what happened..there is CORE and NONCORE.....the CPI that is released each month does include food and energy.
118 PRAirbus: Not surprising at all. Sadly for AA unions who have unrealistic expectations about getting ALL their money back...get real! It is not gonna happen...l
119 MMEPHX: Because they are a private entity with shareholders that expect a profit. They are no different from a car company selling you a car, or an electroni
120 SparkingWave: What else might AA have in mind for future fees? This video on YouTube says it all... Our times are a changin' SparkingWave ~~~[Edited 2008-05-21 10:1
121 Ikramerica: their own fault. consolidating into 1 type in a "one size fits all" was their choice. they ignored the changing aircraft market and kept on adding MD
122 TUNisia: Well said! It's a BIG PROBLEM when those who are a so-called aviation fan are content with the dumbing down with services. It's actually more of an i
123 Swatpamike: Hello All $15 buck to check a bag. WTF?????? From all 38000 Southwest Employees. Thanks American Airlines!!!! And I hope all the other legacy airlines
124 AviationMaster: By introducing a $15 for the first piece of checked baggage, AA just bought themselves the title as America's worst airline. Only a matter of time unt
125 Jhooper: Are you telling me AA could downsize it's operation 99% and still get to keep almost half it's revenue?
126 Iloveboeing: AMEN, AMEN, AMEN!!!!! YES!!!! Couldn't have said it better myself! I am not asking for first-class service. I am not being unreasonable. A simple, bu
127 Aa757first: AA offers to charge a passenger X. The passenger may decide to pay X, or not buy the ticket. It seems very fair to me. Can you imagine how fast our e
128 Cloud4000: Doesn't AA have 20 MD-80s already parked in the desert?
129 FATFlyer: That and the economic pendulum swinging back, just like after the 50s/60s. I wonder if I still have an old "WIN" button from the Ford presidency. And
130 Ikramerica: You want a premium, nationalized airline industry at a discount? So who pays for it? Raise the death tax? Raise taxes on the rich again? If you truly
131 AAJFKSJUBKLYN: Excellent perspective...everyone at AA knew Juanita...she was the number one FA...ever wonder why?..she got great money travelled the world-never wan
132 NYC2theworld: Excuse me, non-rev travelers are exempt? I don't care if you're an airline employee traveling on business or pleasure you should pay up to! In fact,
133 FFlyer: I haven't seen it either. But since I have only flown from ATL, JFK, SLC, SAN...
134 RFields5421: I do have my WIN button. My favorite from the 1976 presidential debates by Carter - went something like "Under my administration we will work so that
135 Iloveboeing: How so? Boeing could greatly benefit from a nationalized airline industry. New 737s, 748s, 777s, and 787s could be purchased to provide the most mode
136 Boeing4ever: I'm honestly shocked at the attitude some have. Airlines are not charities. They need to make money to stay in business. The economy is bad ACROSS the
137 B752OS: While some points you say make sense, however how can you put the whole blam on the way the airlines are managed? Because they are trying to create r
138 US330: My prediction: this management decision goes down as one of the worst marketed decisions of the decade, if not all-time. It might make sense from a be
139 APFPilot1985: My question is, since AA is treating the fee to transport you, and to transport your baggage as seperate if your bag fails to arrive on time do you ge
140 B752OS: While I don't know the direct cost of doing so, putting in PTVs in the entire fleets of the legacies and WN, FL, YX, AS seems like it would be a very
141 GoDIA: So what's next? A $10 fee to use the lavatory? A $2.50 seatbelt rental fee? Just wait until they start charging $4.00 for a Coke like they do at the b
142 NYC2theworld: Established that fact. Doing your job day in/day out should give you the experience. I'll give you that one. Well since we want to turn the industry
143 RFields5421: That was in the historical context where the concept came from - it's obviously not a major point today.
144 BAGoldEx: Anyone check the AMR stock lately? It's down 21.5%. I'd hate to be one of those poor suckers.
145 Chase: So, the article says this fee is for tickets purchased after June. I just redeemed miles, for a flight I will take in January. By that time, this fee
146 AirTranTUS: Why do all the articles compare AA and DL? There are other carriers, why just limit the comparison to DL?
147 Arrow: So you'd rather they stayed home? Run that idea by those NY merchants whose stores are full of Canadians spending money. Yup -- that's a real benefit
148 KBOS: That stands for "Whip Inflation Now" for all the younger folks out there.....
149 Atrude777: Just a bit of reminder for those predicting doom and gloom when WN's fuel hedges run out...Fact is for the long time period they will NOT run out. WN
150 RFields5421: More than three times normal volume. I need to put in a buy order this evening. I love panic sellers - so easy to make money off of them. NWA down 12
151 Chinook747: this charge is for US domestic flights..not international..so they are becoming like FR
152 Ikramerica: Well, until recently, AA carried the most pax in the world and still is the largest in terms of pax-miles, and DL is now vying to take over that spot
153 777STL: Yeah, so tell me when I can fly to NRT, SYD(codeshare) or LHR on WN and then maybe I might listen...
154 Belizexp: This Red tag program is for Int travel only so if you do see this tag that means the pax is coming or going Int.
155 JoePatroni: Since when do rental car companies pay for everyone's fuel? If they do have to pay for fuel they charge a PREMIUM. Have you ever returned your car on
156 DTW757: What this all comes down to is that aviation is for the rich. For years they have tried to put it in the hands of the common man but $130+ oil is goin
157 DocLightning: No, let me tell you about service: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R06dAgpmmbg We need regulation to prevent stuff like this from happening. We need m
158 Ikramerica: No, it does not. It costs an airline 20-30% more. Fuel costs rose from 25% to 40% of the cost, adding 20-25% to the overall cost. Catering costs also
159 United1: How did/is the meeting going? I saw a news report that the pilots and FAs are protesting although thats not that unusual, combine that with the stock
160 Avek00: Those who have ALREADY BOOKED are NOT subject to the new baggage fees. Those who have ALREADY BOOKED are NOT subject to the new baggage fees. AA's fa
161 Avek00: Yes, bring the news release or printout from the AA website as a unknowledgeable or less-than-scrupulous agent may attempt to charge you. Never rely
162 MD-90: Two weeks ago they required it out of Atlanta (ATL-JFK-SNN), but flying back from Gatwick they didn't.
163 JoePatroni: Airlines want to maximize revenue for a confirmed seat. If they can sell an employee a confirmed seat at $20 then they can sell a non-employee that s
164 Jacobin777: It will happen... If you look at the stock of all carrier..its going from "bad to worse"....all these carriers will try it..or if not, then AA will e
165 RFields5421: The union protests disappeared from the local news completely after the announcements were made public and Arpey's speech. As far as the actual meeti
166 Intermodal64: I wonder if these miscellaneous fees are subject to Federal taxes?? If not, please humor me while I add up some of these fees for one flight: 1 checke
167 Falstaff: you can still check your bags on the bus. If you check the bag or don't check the bag you will still be carrying the bag and the airplane will still
168 RFields5421: But it's not understandable to customers AA wants to attract. It does not offer them options. Their web site doesn't even provide information which t
169 Bond007: Much less. Real figures from the last AMR quarterly report ... For 3 months ending March 2008, fuel accounted for 35% of total operating costs. The s
170 United1: There's at least one market analyst out there now that says DL is going to regret that statement, I think its inevitable that all the airlines are go
171 StuckInCA: Why? For many people they are both options to get from A to B. What are you trying to say? Maybe that's what has to happen. What other solution is th
172 RFields5421: I live in Dallas - frequently AA and WN are the only options.
173 AirNZ: Sorry, but I would be inclined to disagree as many are. It is up to the airline to price accordingly, and that makes it a management issue. You've no
174 Boeing4ever: I'm not going to go around naming users, but one poster seemed adament that airlines should be able to provide hot meals and PTVs at prices as they a
175 Jerion: Oh wow! This is incredibly fitting. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZwAmz69guE Is this the new American Airlines?
176 Avek00: I would never say something so stupid as "fares must double because fuel prices doubled". However, considering that the airline industry is a busines
177 Bond007: I didn't mean to imply you said that .... but some have If you remember, many airlines could not make the numbers breakeven when fuel prices were not
178 YULWinterSkies: Not in the US, but in "socialist" France, highways are making profits. They were supposed to become free once the tolls had paid them back, but this
179 RFields5421: I personally think most US airlines - especially the legacy carriers - are making a mistake and missing an opportunity with electronic entertainment
180 Avek00: In fairness, the North American majors shed BILLIONS from their business models and have become very efficient airlines compared to their pre-9/11 op
181 Glbltrvlr: I heard an explanation for all these after the fact fees that sort of makes sense. Apparently the airlines have corporate contracts in place that pre
182 Junction: Oil accounting for 27% of total carrier costs is truly a frightening statistic. If it went up 8% more in only one year that is a dire situation. Even
183 Ikramerica: And AA and WN are the two largest airlines in the world in terms of pax flown. That's not current. Average of Q1 was something like $105. It's $125 n
184 JoePatroni: Before these record fuel prices many (legacy) airlines had a business model that could not compete with the likes of WN, B6, FL, AS and F9. When thes
185 Ckfred: Here's an idea for the government. Eliminate overhead bins and go back to the open rack that was solely for hats and coats. Then, all bags bigger than
186 Bond007: Well, we'll wait and see what 2Q says. At least 25% of the 2008 fuel is price capped. Oh, if the airlines provided a better level of service for thei
187 EA772LR: I couldn't agree more . The so-called "Legacy" carries of the U.S. are out of control and if they go out of business, they deserve to. Why should the
188 Contrails: There are a few problems with this: First, with a checked bag comes the possibility of it getting lost, a wait of several minutes for the bag to come
189 Boeing4ever: Don't get me wrong, I'm not crapping all over PTV's and electronic entertainment. But it's easier for JetBlue or VX since they started out new, with
190 United1: I'm not taking a side either way when it comes to the level of customer service at US carriers however just to be fair comparing the US airline indus
191 JoePatroni: I'm not doing that at all. 9/11 was a huge factor as to why airlines went into bankruptcy. I guess I have a problem with saying that AA, DL, NW, US a
192 Mir: Heck, I'll be happy with a decent sandwich. Unfortunately, it can't be done. Not in the US. SQ has many advantages over US airlines that allow them t
193 EA772LR: Perhaps it was a bad analogy or a little unclear, my apologies. I completely agree that Enron was a total fraud and scam and caused a lot of pain for
194 RFields5421: Stocks went to the toilet today of course: UAUA - 29.50% down - 20 million shares traded / daily avg shares traded 5.5 mil - close $8.15 - down $3.41
195 United1: I would agree that there is some miss management in the aviation industry, however management is not entirely to blame. There are alot of factors are
196 Plunaaircanada: Now do you think that AA and other airlines that are charging people like crazy care about you? all those airlines just think me, me, me ..... Dont w
197 Swatpamike: Hello All Listen and understand are 2 different things. Maybe you should take another look at the article. Cheers swatpamike
198 United1: I could see your argument, and I would agree with it, if the airlines were making money however you can not expect any company to simply behave like
199 Yellowtail: If AA has the right to charge $15 for the bag...the the customer should have a refund claim against AA ( $15) for the bag not getting there. It is a p
200 767Lover: Oh boy, going through security is going to be even more of a delight now, with all the extra carryon luggage this will cause. Not only that, I suspect
201 Teneriffe77: I'm surprised that n one has mentioned is AA fleet problem. Since they retired the F-100, they have nothing between the 140 seat MD-80 and the 70 seat
202 AirNZ: There you go again, for the second time, and would you please explain (which is what I asked you in post 174) what on earth you are talking about, or
203 MAH4546: SPR is Spirit AeroSystems. That has nothing to do with Spirit Airlines, which is privately held.
204 StuckInCA: A new thought... When flying on a MadDog where there is little room in the overhead bins if you board in the last 1/3rd of passengers you might end up
205 United1: I suppose a better way to phrase it is to say that no aircraft flying today was designed to be profitable with $135 a barrel oil and fares as low as
206 JoePatroni: The keyword here is profit. The MD-80 was designed to be profitable when carrying X amount of passengers with X amount of fuel back in the 70s. Today
207 Copa737DFW: I just sent this NASTY e-mail to AA
208 Cubsrule: I'm not sure how much of an assumption aircraft design makes about fuel prices. If 2 aircraft both fly the same routes equally well save fuel burn, y
209 AA777: I love AA, really. But this is too much. Charging for the first bag? What they NEED to do- all the airlines- is cut capacity and raise fares. The end.
210 LAXdude1023: So do I, but all I can say is: STUPID, STUPID, STUPID!!!! This is the stupidest thing they have done in a long time. The reason why its stupid isnt b
211 Aa757first: I've seen some posters on here with part-time airline jobs that say they work just for the free travel. I imagine there are others like them and I'd
212 Avek00: It's not nonsense, but common sense. In deciding on a particular aircraft type to acquire, airlines use all sorts of cost projections on factors such
213 Drerx7: I've only flown American on one trip (HOU-STL-ORD-STL-HOU) and I found them decent, not great but not bad. Unfortunately, that will be my first and la
214 AirNZ: I can somewhat understand what you are trying to say, but these are still totally inaccurate. Yes indeed, the keywords here are profit and profitabil
216 ABQ747: Yet another reason to avoid AA. I have been avoiding them since I had an encounter with an extremely rude flight attendant on an ORD-ABQ flight two y
217 LAXdude1023: This isnt Europe and AA isnt a low cost carrier. Its apples and oranges dude.
218 Warszawa: More economical to ship your baggage via UPS/Fedex/DHL now to many destinations, especially if you're hauling enough stuff to fill two bags. What real
219 Rampart: Good grief. So many posts to read. I'll say this, and hope that it wasn't mentioned already. American airlines: ~98,000,000 passengers last year. Mayb
220 AEramper1974: They offer this to us as an added benefit since the main benefit package they give us is not that impressive for the work we do. We put our all into
221 ScottB: Spirit Airlines isn't publicly traded. This Spirit is the airframe component manufacturer. Plenty of other people have said this, but it can't be rep
222 Ctbarnes: Those who say above that hotels are getting progressively better are, by and large, correct. Hotels, however, along with car rental companies are noto
223 Luv2cattlecall: I believe you have the burden of proof to prove that your assertion is truly the case. The airlines going bankrupt had little to do with 9/11...they
224 Wolfpacker: Whats the chances, if the $15 bag charge sticks, of AA handing out free bag chits to its Business customers? Also, how many business people check bags
225 Commavia: Well, I personally applaud American for doing what just about every airline in this country (save fuel-hedger extraordinaire Southwest) should have be
226 TAN FLYR: Unfortunatly, I think you are very close to the truth DTW757..it will revert beck to what it was in the 40's, 50's and 60's before any "super saver"
227 LTBEWR: The USA, and some other parts of the world are facing probably the worst recession perhaps since the 1970's. Cutbacks in service along with removing t
228 Chris133: This should put it in perspective for you (i don't like the fees either but lets keep it real we all want something for nothing) "The change in oil p
229 LAXDESI: I would argue that the whole demand curve for the airline industry has shifted to the left due to stagnant income, high gas/food/healthcare prices. A
230 United1: So when the fare rises by $10 or $100 will you and others be on here complaineg aobut how much it costs to fly? If thats the airlines costs then so b
231 FLALEFTY: American will survive, even if they make their first trip into Chapter 11 during this recession. Why? Because they have "critical mass". The MD-80 (oo
232 FATFlyer: I doesn't surprise me that no questioned the Carter quote. Even today I know college educated people who don't know the difference between mean, medi
233 Jumbojet: Delta has stated that they WONT match AA's 1st piece of checked baggage fee. Good for Delta, at least they understand the ridiculousness in what AA ha
234 Jhooper: What he's saying is that there becomes a point where the cost to operate the airplane exceeds the revenue you can possibly bring in from flying that
235 United1: There's also at least one annalist out there that said DL is going to regret that statement, all it will take is one more carrier to implement this c
236 KingCavalier: I've read through this entire exhausting thread. Most of the discussion seems to center on the charging of the 1st checked bag. I'm more happy about t
237 AirframeAS: Heh! The memories! We started that when I was with HP in 2002. Obviously, you don't understand airline aircraft maintenance and airline law. the F.A.
238 Jhooper: Did Delta really say they won't, or did they just say they currently have no plans to? There's a difference.
239 KochamLOT: Talked to a friend/CFI who has just enough hours to get hired by AEagle and he said that a few of his friends already flying there say that within 6 w
240 United1: Agreed and the fact that AA is doing it makes it much more likely that the capacity cuts that UA, DL, & NW have coming in Fall 08 will actually help
241 Jumbojet: they said they have no plans on it. here is the link http://www.wxix.com/Global/story.asp?S=8359791 FORT WORTH, Texas (AP) - Delta Air Lines says it
242 HPAEAA: ok, honestly.. here's my thoughts as far as I got... The simple fact is that in THIS fair market (as you've put it) only 1 carrier is barely making it
243 AEramper1974: At AA/AE most employees don't travel for free... we do pay taxes, terminal fees, along with other misc charges. Granted, we are not paying full fares
244 KingCavalier: It's not that insane. AA is one of the few carriers that haven't been down that road, but they came very close in 2002? I would not see it as such a
245 MAH4546: " target=_blank>http://www.wxix.com/Global/story.asp...59791 Of course they say that, it's PR BS. If other airlines follow suit with the $15, Delta w
246 Drerx7: What is going to carry all that Caribbean VFR traffic and cargo?
247 Desh: LAME! Unless they were planning to slip that charge under the radar .... I cannot see how this benefits AA. Customers will automatically add the $15 i
248 AirNZ: No, not really at all in your example as they are doing it now as this is already built into the fare in the first place. Sure, as in your example, s
249 Goomba: Hopefully this will put AA out of business which in turn will put them and us out of misery. Good riddance AA. You reap what you sew. I know the fuel
250 KingCavalier: and this is why it's gets more and more difficult to visit a.net lately
251 AA777-200: Ok thanks.....its really nice to see that you wish upon about 90,000 people to lose their jobs in these hard times. Its not like I have a 10month old
252 AirframeAS: Right, I remember now....reading from our interlining agreements with AA when I was with AS, WN and HP. With all those airlines I was with, the agree
253 AEramper1974: It's sad to see people wish the worst on others...... what's the world coming to?
254 Drerx7: They are already committed to flying and they are ill suited to the job. Cargo and VFR is the sole reason the AB6s have remained in the fleet, otherw
255 Mariner: That's up there among the more offensive posts I've ever read on a.net. Ain't that the truth. mariner
256 HPAEAA: I could make this argument for alot of carriers, last I checked (haven't seen the new fee structure) but AA typically charges less than it's peers fo
257 AirframeAS: Then they need to find something else that WILL do the job. Obviously the A300's are not doing the job: Always a maintenance hog and the dispatch rel
258 767Lover: I agree. I recently took 2 business trips, and while I was trying to be economical about it, the airlines could have charged me more and I still woul
259 BrianDromey: Maybe because they are the most suitable aircraft for the jobs they do? The A300 does not have teh same size and therefore scaled costs the other air
260 44k: My oh my ..did our AA haters have field day today!!! I have never read soo much convoluted nonsense...I dont even know where to begin.... What, are yo
261 MSYtristar: You do realize that there are hard working people running the airline, don't you? You may not like their service, you may not like their policies, yo
262 AEramper1974: Thank You!!! I could not have stated that any better! Only one thing I can add to it though... with capacity cuts and fleet reductions, I am afraid t
263 44k: Thank you! All AA bashers please read above. it's obvious that a lot of people just plain hate AA on anet and exploit every opportunity to bash. I th
264 IronDuke08: It wasn't. It was a run on the bank, just like they said seven years ago. Too many idiots were invested in something that they didn't understand, and
265 SkyguyB727: Don't count on that. At one airport where the TSA did checked baggage screening in front of the ticket counters, I saw a family take all of their ful
266 SkyguyB727: Interstate highways are not a business; airlines are.
267 B752OS: And why do you think there was a "run on the bank?" Because idiots at Enron were cooking the books and smoothing their earnings to put up false earni
268 DocLightning: I agree on this. We can do with less capacity. But we need an alternative form of transportation. We need something that doesn't run on oil. And the
269 DTW757: Most ignorant statement award! Yep that seems pretty reliable. In the first place, the two letter code for American Eagle is not AE, it is MQ. Second
270 RFields5421: Is it just me or does this quote sound a lot like "Danged why didn't we think of that first?" It goes back a lot longer than that. Southwest was buil
271 PagoFlyer: We've also heard that they'll start charging for water.....and yes, pay toilets on international flights...and maybe life vests![']
272 Pdxcessna206: People are complaining about surcharges and reduced service when all a company is trying to do is make a profit? Stop complaining. Oil closed near $13
273 Cubsrule: Coal is better than oil? Coal will power HSR in most parts of the country... On a route that currently has 8 daily flights, I think it's safe to say
274 Ikramerica: Nobody questions Obama, either. About where the 7 additional states are that make up the 57, why we need to send Arab speakers to Afghanistan, or any
275 Cjpark: And now we hear from the 800lb Gorilla in the room. Notice everyone that WN is the only airline in this country able to make money according to their
276 Cubsrule: AA or DL could hedge fuel... just like WN. They choose not to.
277 Ikramerica: Nope. WN had lots of free cash to do it, and that cash built on itself to keep doing it. Other airlines didn't, so the losses built up. Good planning
278 Cubsrule: All right... AA and DL could have been hedging for 25 years. They've chosen not to--even though, by and large, cash has been easy to come by in that
279 HPAEAA: WN has been very Lucky... but I would just like to point out that the first of this run were purchased from AA when AMR was forced to sell them due t
280 RFields5421: AA and DL used to hedge fuel - did so for years even before the current WN hedges. But theirs expired in the downturn after 9/11 and the airlines did
281 Avek00: Oh yes. I have encountered numerous instances where I would have been erroneously charged fees by agents had I not known of (and in some cases, physi
282 9252fly: It's unfortunate that AA chose not to just add a fuel surcharge of $15.00 to all it's fares,or simply increase the lower end fares applicably. It's al
283 Ssides: I have long defended AA as my favorite airline, and I fly them often. I think they offer the best service, the best global alliance, the best frequent
284 Boeing4ever: This is all true. However, it doesn't support the argument that "it's the fault of the aircraft". AA's management is responsible for staying on top o
285 LAXDESI: Most airlines have had decent cash reserves. One can check the balance sheets for the last few years. These airlines chose not to hedge fully, unlike
286 Ken777: If the USAF tanker selection is any indication of how a nationalized airline would order planes Boeing would be very unhappy indeed. At least they co
287 Lightsaber: I guess the days of being impressed with AA's 300 strong Maddog fleet are over? I wonder if the baggage fee is to get around Hotwire, Priceline, Orbit
288 NWALAS: I wish I had the link to this article I read but here is a summation: American Airlines had their fuel hedged at $100 dollars a barrel and they ended
289 United1: I'm curious as to when this occurred as as of March 31st AA had around 27% of their fuel hedged is this something that happened in the distant past a
290 ItalianFlyer: In all fairness to AA lets not forget that the financial effects of those two 'groundings' this quarter have to be significant. I shudder to think wha
291 AirNZ: Sorry, but it is complete nonsense and how on earth is it common sense???? Of course things happen like you've just said above, that is perfectly cor
292 FlyASAGuy2005: O.K. here goes. Love it! But I would say it is more like 2000 - 2008 IMO. Are you serious? Your saying that the MOST BASIC expectation has to have a c
293 Christao17: A company exists to turn a profit for its shareholders. Interstate highways bear no relation to airlines - it is an apples to oranges or, more accura
294 AirNZ: Why? I'm sorry, but I can't quite fully understand this constant premise put forward that paying 'full fare' entitles you to extra privileges, be tre
295 FlyingSikh: Let AA go belly up...that should open up the market a little bit more breathing room. This nickel and diming is embarrassing now
296 MAH4546: Marketing BS. If other airlines do it, Delta will damn well follow. It's a sad fact. I think it is disgusting AA is taking the lead, but if other air
297 PanAm_DC10: Please continue the discussion at the following thread AA Announce Fleet Reduction & Baggage Surcharge 2 Thank you.
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