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Which AA Markets Will Get Cut  
User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 15090 times:

The bag issues is getting all the attention, but it is minor compared to the 12% capacity reduction coming:

What do you think will get cut?

EAGLE Cuts:
All 135s will be parked (some markets will be replaced with 145, some just cut all togehter)
Eagle pulled from LAX and SF3s moved to DFW to replace 145s on short routes.
Longer haul routes that are PTP, like XNA-LAX (zero system contribution)
What's left in BOS


AA Mainline Cuts
Mostly thining the existing schedule from ORD and DFW. Less frequency


Any ideas?

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User currently onlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3278 posts, RR: 45
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 15042 times:

Looks about right, if you ask me...

I wouldn't be surprised at all to see AUS to go back to only DFW/ORD/LAX/SJC, dropping the SNA flight as well (I don't believe that was slated to be dropped already, just SEA and RDU, and mainline STL, IIRC).

But as far as mainline cuts go, I think you're spot on. Particularly to smaller mainline destinations, I think you'll see a 3x daily flight to DFW, ORD, or both get cut to 1x or 2x. With destinations like AUS, who see 15x DFW and 5x ORD, I wouldn't at all be surprised to see that dwindle down to 10-12x DFW, and 3-4x ORD.

I expect connections will be retimed to offer the maximum about of availability at the hubs.

I'd be surprised to see any specific market/city singled out for cutdowns, but you'll see a lot of the cities that have been thriving for AA of late (namely, AUS, since I'm familiar with it) sized back down, and become more like a large spoke in their system, rather than approaching focus city status. As far as AA sees it, it's better to send out a full DFW-SNA flight, rather than a half full AUS-SNA flight, and a 3/4 full DFW-SNA flight...

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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4917 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 15010 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Thread starter):
Longer haul routes that are PTP, like XNA-LAX (zero system contribution)

What about all the Walmart related business traffic. May not be feeding a hub but isnt't AA's XNA operation like BNA-LAX and still lucrative?



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User currently offlineAAJFKSJUBKLYN From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 901 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 14905 times:

Definately ORD and DFW flying...I dont think they will touch MIA, some minor JFK potential (DFW-JFK), some SJU flying (already being done ie: JFK-SJU down to 4 flights).

User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 14906 times:



Quoting Humberside (Reply 2):
What about all the Walmart related business traffic. May not be feeding a hub but isnt't AA's XNA operation like BNA-LAX and still lucrative?

BNA-LAX didnt make money 10 years ago...they flew it cuz entertainemnt industry threatned to stop flying AA on JFK-LAX, if AA didnt fly BNA-LAX........BNA-LAX is a good candidate to cut


User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 14892 times:

XNA functions like a private executive airport for Wal-Mart executives. They pay premium fares for the privilege of having XNA-LGA and XNA-LAX. With the closure of RDU as an AA hub, I can see that going away unless there's some market necessity.

Sarcastically, I was going to say "Bakersfield"...oh wait, that was cut years ago...



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User currently offlineChase From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1054 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 14858 times:



Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 5):
They pay premium fares for the privilege of having XNA-LGA and XNA-LAX

I hope not...on Monday I just redeemed miles for STL-XNA-LAX-HNL-ORD-STL, travelling in January.


User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2877 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 14855 times:

Wow, based on one of the posts in the other thread:

Quote:
Are we also retiring aircraft?
Yes. Based on the reduced schedule, American expects to retire at least 40-45 mainline aircraft, primarily MD-80s and a limited number of A-300s, and 35-40 regional jets, along with some number of turbo-prop aircraft.

I wasn't surprised to see the regional jets, but the MD-80's surprised me a bit. I was originally thinking that some routes with high frequency on small aircraft would be consolidated into a larger aircraft (MD-80) with reduced frequency and cutting capacity a bit as well on those routes.



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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4917 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 14827 times:



Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 5):
With the closure of RDU as an AA hub, I can see that going away unless there's some market necessity.

I thought RDU-XNA has already been axed



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User currently onlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2913 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 14666 times:

My guess:
LAX-FLL (already mentioned)
LAX-EWR
LAX-IAD
SFO-BOS
SAN-BOS

As well as what's left of mainline at STL except DFW, ORD, MIA, LGA, and LAX. I'd also expect to see reductions at DFW - not ORD so much.


User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8894 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 14664 times:

I'd expect the entire fleet of ERJ-135s to be parked for good. Very expensive to be operating with $130 barrel oil.

As for cuts, I think RDU will take a big hit. I could easily see RDU-JAX/MCI/SDF/CMH/BDL/EWR all being cut, with RDU-BOS/JFK/LGA/DCA staying (DCA might be gone too)

Same with BOS - I'd expect YYZ and CMH to both disappear, RDU be reduced and maybe DCA.

I could also see a decrease in LAX flying - it's been trimmed a good bit over the past several years and I've heard rumours of AA wanting to decrease it more, especially since I believe they're going to have to move their remote terminal due to construction (not 100% on this though).


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32612 posts, RR: 72
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 14447 times:

Dallas will see the most cuts, IMO, but mainly in terms of slashing frequency. I could also imagine some cuts at St. Louis and point-to-point cuts at Boston and Los Angeles. I bet many P2P trans-cons, like BOS-SAN, are gone. Also, the Saab ops at LAX, likely a goner.

I bet O'Hare sees some cuts, but nothing huge. JFK and MIA will likely see, IMO, the least cuts, with maybe some frequency cuts (i.e. cut MIA-LAX from 7x to 6x; MIA-CLT from 4x to 3x, etc)., but overall they are probably the two strongest operations in this kind of environment since their revenues are majority international (and their domestic flights fill up with a lot international connects). LGA will remain untouched.

I can also imagine that AmericanConnection will discontinue more STL flying and move it to MIA. This will allow Eagle to discontinue more MIA flying, and move it to DFW and ORD to replace some lost capacity.

Just some random routes I could see getting the axe (because they are either poor performers as-is or because they are P2P, and I think P2P will be cut heavily) include:

FLL-SJO
BOS-SAN
BOS-YYZ
LAX-SJC
SAN-SJC
LAX-FAT
LAX-SBP
LAX-XNA
RDU-CMH
RDU-BDL
BOS-CMH
PHL-SJU
BWI-SJU
ORD-EZE
DFW-PTY

I'm also curious to know the fate of the DCA-LGA-BOS shuttle flights. I know they were doing surprisingly well when they launched and when fuel was cheap, but are they really doing that well right now? Maybe those slots are much better used elsewhere. I don't know the answer to that, though.

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 10):

I could also see a decrease in LAX flying - it's been trimmed a good bit over the past several years and I've heard rumours of AA wanting to decrease it more, especially since I believe they're going to have to move their remote terminal due to construction (not 100% on this though).

LAX flying hasn't been trimmed at all, outside of Saab flying. AA overtook UA as the largest mainline carrier at LAX last year (not sure if that's still the case, though).

I do agree, though, that we will see a decrease in LAX flying.

[Edited 2008-05-21 12:18:31]


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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7499 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 14164 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 11):
Dallas will see the most cuts, IMO, but mainly in terms of slashing frequency.

This makes sense to me. DFW is AA's biggest domestic hub and since the cuts will be domestic for the most part, it stands to reason that DFW will be hardest hit. That being said, I dont expect DFW to lose any destinations (1 at the most). DFW's international network preforms well (ecORD will probably lose some frequencies too. MIA probably wont really be touched because its mainly international.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32612 posts, RR: 72
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 14082 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 12):
That being said, I dont expect DFW to lose any destinations (1 at the most).

I don't think O'Hare, Dallas, or Miami will lose any domestic destinations. I think Dallas might lose some international destinations that are already served from elsewhere, but even then max 2-3 underperformers (i.e. maybe MBJ, PTY, and PLS).



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7499 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 14012 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 13):
I don't think O'Hare, Dallas, or Miami will lose any domestic destinations. I think Dallas might lose some international destinations that are already served from elsewhere, but even then max 2-3 underperformers (i.e. maybe MBJ, PTY, and PLS).

Are PTY and SAL doing poorly? I havent heard. I have no clue why they decided to fly DFW-PLS. I havent heard anything that bad about DFW-MBJ. I dont think it will go right now. Would this also be a good time to cut ORD-EZE?



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User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2214 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 13845 times:

There have been discussions in the past about Horizon replacing AA Eagle at LAX.

Is this allowable with AA's labor agreements?

Is it likely?



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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 13832 times:



Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 15):
There have been discussions in the past about Horizon replacing AA Eagle at LAX.

Is this allowable with AA's labor agreements?

Is it likely?

only with DH4s I think, not with CR7s.


User currently offlineA300AA From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 394 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 13750 times:

BAQ, and MDE, will get reductions also.


BAQ, is doing very very bad.


User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3524 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 13733 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Thread starter):
Longer haul routes that are PTP, like XNA-LAX (zero system contribution)

Who cares about the system when you have a high-yield guarantee on that route - it's not an official guarantee from Wal-Mart, but that flight is nearly all biz pax. Ditto the rest of XNA flights that aren't point to point.



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User currently offlineJoeljack From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 933 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 13709 times:

Does anyone have any idea when revised schedules will come out??

My dad is in the process of organizing a trip from OMA-SJU next February. The trip will be for 400-500 people. He has figured out it is cheaper to book American then charter planes. They will be taking up almost every seat out of Omaha connecting in Dallas on the way out and back for the 5 flights those days. He is concerned that 1 flight may be cut affecting their plans. If this is the case, he needs to assess his the options now because they are going to book by the middle of June. He wanted to fly united but they didn't have enough seats to SJU to accommodate them at a reasonable fare. I don't know what other options he has but to split between 2 airlines and he is very adamantly against that. He wants everyone on the same planes for the entertainment factor and to get the cheapest rates...american is giving them a really good price. I think the first 4 flights out of OMA to DFW on a Friday in February is the plan. I don't know though.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24858 posts, RR: 46
Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 13695 times:



Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 15):
There have been discussions in the past about Horizon replacing AA Eagle at LAX.

Dont forget, Horizon itself is reducing capacity by 20-30% and trimming things itself by getting rid of the CR7s.

Additionally even if they had free capacity the Q400s are too large for many of AEs LAX markets.



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User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4234 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 13638 times:

Anyone else see STL getting DeHubbed the way US has done with PIT? AA has cut and cut and cut this market since TWA, and it is only a shell of its former self. ORD and DFW are much bigger cash cows for AA than STL, and I get the feeling that STL will go bye bye as a hub, and American connection flying will be moved to replace the MQ flying going away.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32612 posts, RR: 72
Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 13602 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 14):
Are PTY and SAL doing poorly?

PTY is doing poorly, even though they made it year-round; SAL is too new a route to know.

Quoting A300AA (Reply 17):
BAQ, and MDE, will get reductions also.


BAQ, is doing very very bad.

MDE might get cut to 1x daily, but the frequencies will transfer to BOG.

BAQ isn't doing "very very very bad." It is actually outperformed CLO this past winter. I don't know what your obsession is with trashing the route - you seem so bitter about it. The loads are in the 50-60% range right now, but that is fine for this market during the off-season. Those kind of loads still make money on this kind of flight.

AA will not cut BAQ. They are staying for the long-haul, and they might even add CTG in the near future. Flying a half-empty 738 between Miami and Barranquilla is much more profitable than flying an 80% full 738 between Washington and Los Angeles.

[Edited 2008-05-21 14:57:36]

[Edited 2008-05-21 14:57:54]


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User currently offlineVictorKilo From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 13581 times:



Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 9):
As well as what's left of mainline at STL except DFW, ORD, MIA, LGA, and LAX. I'd also expect to see reductions at DFW - not ORD so much.

Looking at the DOT O&D report and the yield figures it contains, I think AA will retrench STL to only serve the following cities with a combination of mainline and regional, with much of the regional service being intended to rotate the Chautauqua and Trans States aircraft to other American hubs:

ORD
DFW
MIA
LGA
JFK
LAX
DCA
BOS
RDU
CMH
BDL
MKE
BNA

Like Southwest, I expect a major reduction in transcon flying, such as IAD-LAX, BOS-SAN, and the like. I also expect that many of the same Eagle routes that would have to be cut in an Eagle spinoff - such as RDU-CMH and BOS-YYZ - will also get the axe.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22726 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 13476 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 4):
BNA-LAX is a good candidate to cut

...a good candidate to cut with the amount of paid-Y and F demand that it has?

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 14):
Would this also be a good time to cut ORD-EZE?

I suspect they'll wait until after the Southern Hemisphere summer and see if it does any better... winter isn't the best time to start most routes (so it's not like there's another route begging for the 763), and that would give it another high season.

Quoting VictorKilo (Reply 23):
I think AA will retrench STL to only serve the following cities with a combination of mainline and regional,

You're missing some cities with very favorable corporate contracts, including JAX and ORF, and I'm not sure there's sufficient local demand to some of those cities to continue to serve them if there are significantly decreased connecting opportunities... CMH (which also happens to have WN competition) and BNA jump out at me as two such cities.

Quoting Apodino (Reply 21):
Anyone else see STL getting DeHubbed the way US has done with PIT? AA has cut and cut and cut this market since TWA, and it is only a shell of its former self.

If STL were as much of a drag on the system as PIT is/was on the US system, the hub would be long gone. That doesn't mean that STL can survive $200/barrel oil, but STL certainly isn't the only hub in that situation.



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25 CIDFlyer : would be a shame if it happens, STL is such a breeze to connect in vs. ORD, but as the market conditions that persist right now continue anything is
26 SANFan : I'm even beginning to wonder about SAN-JFK. Most of this year AA has run only 1 flight -- including the summer season that as recently as last year sa
27 B752OS : How has AA ceded to B6 in the BOS-SAN market? Speculation aside, BOS-SAN is loaded in the AA schedules for Summer and Fall. They have both been on th
28 MAH4546 : Absolutely none of these additional capacity cuts are loaded into any schedules, and won't be announced for at least three weeks. They will be rolled
29 MrSTL : Ease and efficiency of connectivity (getting your passengers from point A to point B) has never been more important. Airplanes that sit on the tarmac
30 A300AA : BAQ will operate only 4 weekly flights MDE, will operate 11 weekly flights., if things improve, they will go daily for DEC, and JAN,. And I dont have
31 Apodino : I agree, but if that were true US would have never DeHubbed PIT, and DL would probably not have cut CVG has dramatically as it as. It may not be as c
32 SANFan : Certain people have talked for over a year or two about SAN-BOS being on AA's death-watch list, especially since B6 started the route last year. I kn
33 Super80DFW : With AA saying they are laying off workers, and grounding planes; unfortunately I believe the closure of STL would be the "Easy Way Out." I sure hate
34 747fan : I'm guessing some of the Eagle E135 routes out of RDU will simply be cut all together such as RDU-SDF, RDU-CMH, and RDU-BDL.
35 MAH4546 : For the fall, yes. It will quickly return to daily in December. AA puts planes through heavy maintence in the fall, and cuts frequencies on many MIA
36 Jacobin777 : I expect some SFO flights in frequency might get cut as well. I'm bracing myself for SJC flights to get get, especially the MQ flights.... I think SJC
37 777STL : Who has a corporate contract to JAX? It's not AB. Trust me on this. Indeed. STL may lose a couple frequencies but nothing significant. Contrary to po
38 CrAAzy : Well I don't want to jinx everything at MKE, but I for one hope this means then end of the MKE-DFW eagle cramp fest. These flights are too long and to
39 LAXdude1023 : I dont think AA is going to exit the DFW-MKE market.
40 MAH4546 : The hub loses money in the seven digits. It was profitable two years ago. That is no longer the case.
41 LONGisland89 : Park all the 135's? What about all these East coast routes which are primarily 135's? Can DFW and ORD afford to lose 145's? So many questions
42 MoMan : Not good at all, AA has a nice operation at STL and I really hope it's not drastically affected.
43 CIDFlyer : Same here, it's been pared down enough as it is. I use STL whenever I can and avoid ORD like the plague. If the STL hub goes then I more than likely
44 HPAEAA : I think you might be right.. mostly MD80 routes and the 757s can easily be redeployed... My bets are: 1. any market that has 4 or less mainline a day
45 MAH4546 : I think 2-4 are good guesses, though 1 is simply not going to happen at all. RJ flying is not profitable right now.
46 Enilria : I wonder if they will seal the CO deal in short order and use a CO code share to facilitate continued service in some markets that will get the ax. Ot
47 HPAEAA : Agreed, but I bet it'll be threatened since TWU passed on the last contract offer... in reality they simply won't be able to convert the stations fas
48 Sxf24 : If you're talking per quarter, a seven-digit loss is excellent performance these days (and could be eliminated by a relatively minor fare increase or
49 United1 : That may not be to far from the truth, doesn't the AE satellite at LAX need to be relocated in order for the TBIT expansion?
50 B752OS : People have been saying for more than 3 years on these boards that BOS-SAN on AA was going to be cut, or should be. In any event, the BOS-SAN market
51 HPAEAA : Not Public yet.. I would expect a first round within the next month or so, and revisions till the fall and then winter schedule are finalized.... Mig
52 LAXdude1023 : Do you guys think they will cut any international routes? And if so I would love to hear thoughts on which ones are in danger. My thoughts are if any
53 B752OS : BOS-CDG has been mentioned to be cut on these board by memebers for the last 3 or 4 years and still continues its seasonal run. I doubt AA will cut i
54 MAH4546 : BOS-CDG will be cut at some point in the future, it's a question of when, not if. Just like BOS-MAN, which was finally put out of it's misery this ye
55 Cubsrule : I thought A-B did... the flights are often empty, and I can't figure out why else they would fly the route. STL-JAX has as much service as ORD-JAX. A
56 ERJ170 : I would say the following would remain: RDU-LHR/MIA/DFW/ORD/LGA/DCA/BOS/STL/JFK slight possibilities: BDL, CMH, MCI dismal possibilities: JAX, SDF AA
57 Aaway : Though I've been a skeptic regarding Eagle over the long term @ LAX, I believe that Eagle - LAX will largely escape unscathed this round. Perhaps some
58 MAH4546 : I don't think it does. I think we'll just see 757s replace the A300s were appropriate. Caribbean routes are one of the few things that are profitable
59 LAXdude1023 : LAX-YYZ and SFO wont be cut. LAS (mainline), MCO, and DEN are in more danger.
60 AEroc : Do you all think that this means an end to all Eagle LAX flights? Would they have to move the e140's to ORD DFW LGA BOS ect to replace the e135's and
61 Lightsaber : All of the airlines need to look into cutting 50 seat (or less) RJ flying. Quite bluntly, until 15%+ of the domestic system's capacity is removed, we
62 Thunder9 : Just about 4-6 well-placed B-61's in each country! -J
63 United1 : I'm glad that I wasn't the only person to think that....I still think I'm a bit twisted for thinking it but at least I know I'm not alone.
64 Post contains images Beagleboys :
65 Post contains links MAH4546 : Let the media speculation begin. Raleigh expects to lose flights... http://www.newsobserver.com/business/story/1081276.html Miami doesn't... http://ww
66 PSU.DTW.SCE : Mark & Commavia - I know that your ears are closer to AA than mine, but here is what I heard from a few of my connections & Eagle pilots buddies yeste
67 DaCubbyBearBar : I have to agree with LAXDUDE that I believe LAS could be in jeopardy of losing some mainline flights. LAS is very low yield and a popular destination
68 Wedgetail737 : OAK-DFW is being cut.
69 WA707atMSP : Other posters have said in the past that one of the main reasons AA flies LAX-YYZ is to accomodate QF codeshare traffic. If this is true, and if the
70 BigGSFO : I imagine AA would keep LAX-SFO as either mainline or eliminate it altogether. Not sure about SFO/SJC-SNA though. I wonder if the OAK closing and oth
71 2travel2know : Making NK angry is worth keeping that route? If AA was in such a good shape to throw away money operating FLL-SJO. ORD-EZE was a mistake from the sta
72 Jfk777 : Fares to COLOMBIA from the USA are ridiculously high, its an inelastic market. Who goes to Colombia that doesn't have to, I certainly stay away from
73 B752OS : We shall see. You have said on a few occasions the flight will be cut in years past and it still ran. I believe almost all of MAN flights were cut, B
74 EXAAUADL : This generally is the better schedule as most of latin america has a weighting point of sale that is like 65% latin.
75 Yellowtail : Well AA has just informed us here...that they are pulling the plug on one of their MIA-BZE frequencies early....this usually doesn't happen till Sept.
76 Ckfred : Any airport that has some kind of slot restriction, such as ORD, will not see a reduction in the number of daily departures. Simply put, AA isn't abou
77 UPSMD11 : Here at SDF we have mainline to DFW and E135/E145 to ORD, RDU, LGA and MIA. I can see the RDU and LGA getting cut for sure. I hope the LGA gets cut --
78 CrAAzy : Good point. I imagine this will go against STL with the new schedule cuts. If AA is looking to cut flights from ORD but keep capacity controlled slot
79 WA707atMSP : SDF-LGA is a historic AA market - it was served from the DC-3 days until 1981, when it was dropped to free up aircraft for the expanded DFW hub. It w
80 Jfk777 : Since most of it is Domestic, DFW and less ORD. Given the amount of Md-80's at DFW that where the knife is coming strongest. Miami will see little per
81 Cubsrule : Agreed on STL... WN owns STL-LAS (it's not dissimilar to STL-PHX, though US doesn't fly STL-LAS).
82 LAXdude1023 : DFW will no doubt recieve the most reduction of frequencies. Being that its their largest domestic hub, it makes perfect sense that it would recieve
83 MAH4546 : AA has a monopoly on MIA-LAS now. They will definitley keep both MIA-LAS flights. If anything, that market needs a third daily, not cuts. They seem t
84 CayMan : I have no date to back this up, it's anecdotal but it seems that YYZ LAX brings in a fair amount of business on the Qantas codeshare, ie. a reasonable
85 MAH4546 : I don't think AA will cut it. It's a strong route for them; cutting it would be stupid. Possibly reducing routes like ORD-BRU/MAN and JFK-MXP/BCN to
86 MAH4546 : Okay, this is what I just gathered, and it is remarkably similar to what PSU.DTW.SCE has: American Eagle *Significant reductions in BOS flying. *Signi
87 PRAirbus : Who's guessing all these SPECIFIC cuts? It seems most cuts would be on the domestic side. AA's trend as well as of other US Majors is to expand intern
88 LAXdude1023 : Id love to hear you thoughts on which ones. I cant imagine much going in the way of Euroepan destinations from DFW. They only have three and they do
89 MAH4546 : That should have read ORD/JFK, my mistake.
90 LAXdude1023 : No worries. Id still love to hear your thoughts on which routes might be cut/reduced from ORD and JFK.
91 MAH4546 : Well, we already have FCO going 0w ORD/5w JFK. I would not be surprised if MXP and BCN went 5w each from JFK. From ORD, I think BRU and MAN might go
92 LHR777 : Just a question for you - is Dash-8 Q400 flying any more (or less) profitable than ERJ/CRJ flying at the moment? Did CO head down the right road with
93 BigGSFO : Which would mean..?? LAX-EWR? LAX-IAD? LAX-BOS? SFO-BOS? SAN-BOS?
94 EXAAUADL : same fuel burn , 20-25 more seats
95 MAH4546 : CO was very smart to go with the Q's. Plus, Horizon is getting rid of all their CRJ-700s and going to an all-prop fleet. In my opinion, it means just
96 CIDflyer : couldn't they use those planes and route them, for example, STL-JAX-MIA-JAX-STL and so forth?
97 MAH4546 : Yes, and that's what they are going to be doing when the flights start next week (i.e. STL-ORF-MIA-RIC-STL). However, I think AA has their eye on act
98 777STL : So what is the performance relative to the other hubs? I'm sure STL isn't the only AA hub in the red. Considering usually AA posts quarterly losses i
99 MAH4546 : The annual losses are close to $35M, from what I have been told. STL probably needs to go. As for the individual hub performances, I do not know how
100 MrSTL : [ Interesting, I just read a quote today from our Mayor that said STL was profitable for AA, or at least that is what he was told. Not doubting you bu
101 MAH4546 : The hub wasn't doing so bad at $50-$60 oil. It's probably taking such a beating because it is so RJ-heavy.[Edited 2008-05-22 16:43:01]
102 WunalaYann : You meant "how the heck do we make that happen without throwing the world's economy down the toilet?", didn't you? Well, there's always price fixing.
103 AJMIA : I don't think LAX-LAS would be cut. Honestly I would be surprised to see the route go all RJ. With the tons of low fare passengers in the market I wo
104 MOBflyer : As long as Wal-Mart guarantees a profitable number of passengers at a profitable fare. Till then, you'll be hard pressed to find easier money to prin
105 MAH4546 : At $130 fuel, Wal*Mart can only guarantee so much. Fuel killed MIA/RDU/DCA-XNA, and don't be surprised if it kills LAX-XNA.
106 LAXintl : Yes there is tons of low fare passengers in the market, is that was AA wants to chase? The biggest reason I see AA in the market is simply providing
107 LambertMan : As late as early 2006, I was told that St. Louis had either the best average load factor or average profit per passenger in the whole AA system (can'
108 MAH4546 : Again, from what I've been told, the heavy losses are quite, quite recent. Things were going just great two years ago, but they've turned for the wor
109 Tan Flyr : Stop buying all the stuff made there and enriching their workers not ours. I sure hope that FAT retains the 2 DFW flights and maybe a few to LAX.. Ma
110 LambertMan : I'm prepared for the worst as St. Louis is understandably the bastard child of the operation. I hope the brass is willing to keep the operation somew
111 Lightsaber : For the others: I'm thinking a mass drop of B-61's (Which, IIRC, have been replaced by W-88's...) might hurt the world stock markets. No one gets lef
112 Post contains images Aaway : My suggesting that LAX-YYZ may be cut wasn't in reference to its financial performance - hence the "maybe" (side note - AA originally planned 2x p/da
113 Ckfred : Two factors in ORD's favor. First, the third east-west runway opens in November, which should cut down the delays (i.e., allowing for landing 3 plane
114 MoMan : I heard the same as LM, that the STL Operation was the bright point in the AA network, only behind MIA in relative profitability. I'm saddened to hea
115 FATFlyer : Hopefully the yields are there because FAT has exploded this year with pax. Unless something has changed in the last few weeks airport-wide passenger
116 Cubsrule : NW still flies LAS-LAX (on mainline!) for essentially the same reason... if they can profitably do it, AA probably can too. That will likely (though
117 PanAm330 : Again, you mean. IIRC, they cut LAX-LAS to Eagle-only, and very quickly added a couple MD80s back on it. My guess is that pax were less than happy ab
118 VIflyer : One point people tend to forget about LAX-XNA is that Walmart itself is only part to the driving force for this flight. A majority of this flight is
119 B752OS : Bentonville isn't nicknamed vedorville for nothing. I think LAX-XNA should survive based off of the business traffic alone, it's not like AA is sendi
120 DFWEagle : The current A300 rotation requires a minimum of 28 aircraft to be in service on a particular day. (3 days a week do only require 27 because JFK-PUJ-J
121 Cubsrule : Most of the RONs are stunningly long. There's room for better utilization, but I don't think that AA would do it--because it would make some of the s
122 Lightsaber : Its sad discussing the cuts for AA. But if anything, what I'm reading is that the A300 isn't well loved. And that seems to be the long term trend. Rep
123 WunalaYann : LH sends its love... So do 5X and FX, by the way...
124 Cubsrule : It's more about how they use the aircraft than the aircraft themselves... 763s would likely be nearly as bad.
125 TUSAA : ORD will see the elimination of a few cities, it's not known yet which cities are being eliminated. My guess it's going to be a few out west. ORD will
126 Aaway : I'll refer to a portion of my orginal post regarding LAX-XNA: If serving Walmart, et. al, means providing transportation to gateways for Asian connec
127 Aaway : Somewhat of a surprise since discontinuing ORD flights means slot opportunites for some hungry-for-slots competitors.
128 WesternA318 : Any idea if SLC will get some flighta axed?
129 JDAirCEO : BNA-LAX XNA-LAX Or anything at XNA IAD-LAX RDU-DCA These and a couple other routes are ones people have suggested will be cut. Its easy to look at a r
130 TUSAA : There have always been rumors about ORD-SLC/RNO/ELP/ABQ/TUS getting axed, however this time around a few of those just might happen. Any slots gained
131 Post contains links Aaway : I'd hope so, otherwise these guys will be knocking on ORD's door: Virgin America asks to fly to Chicago http://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/stories/20
132 WesternA318 : Dang, a far cry from when AA used to send DC-10s on the ORD-SLC run
133 SANFan : I've wondered "out loud" lately (on this or another thread) about the ORD-PDX route as well; it was cancelled last winter and reappeared this spring.
134 Jetboy319 : LOL SanFan you are so predictable.... I haven't read this thread until now, but seeing you were the last post, I had a feeling I would look and you w
135 EXAAUADL : I thought ELP, ABQ and TUS were decent performers...I could see SLC and RNO getting cut
136 MAH4546 : Well, here are two markets that will get cut: San Juan-Aruba San Juan-Samana
137 Lucianflyboy : Good grief! I thought I was bad!!! Pack a good book, food and patience!
138 Travelin man : I could see AA axeing whole stations where they can (similar to what they've done at OAK). BUR & ONT could be on the chopping block -- exclusive MD80
139 SANFan : Predictable is SANFan talking about PDX? That doesn't seem like anything one could really count on... Please note that I've also posted about SAN-BOS
140 MAH4546 : BUR is a strong-yielding airport. I think it will survive. Lots of business traffic to the studios.
141 LAXdude1023 : I dont think they will leave either. BUR and ONT seem to do well for AA. If it comes down to it, they might leave ONT, but they wont leave BUR.
142 Jamake1 : ORD-EZE and ORD-HNL are the the first two to be announced... Press Release Source: American Airlines AMR Corporation Announces Initial Round of Capaci
143 PSU.DTW.SCE : Wow, AA Flight 73 is gone......that flight has been around FOREVER. What a shame. It is burn the furniture mode at AA and in this industry. This is g
144 ABQ747 : I could see RNO and ELP getting cut, but not SLC, ABQ, or TUS. AA is the second largest carrier at ABQ, by market share.
145 WA707atMSP : I agree - it is a shame to see the flight get cut. AA flew ORD-HNL (and JFK-HNL) in the early 1970s with 707s; the flights continued from HNL to SYD
146 PSU.DTW.SCE : Yep. The routing went DTW-ORD-HNL-OGG. I'm really surprised on this one, I almost would rank this up there when AA cut ORD-BWI in 2001, or the propos
147 AJMIA : Do you expect the Samana flight to be flown from MIA or will the new station be dropped? They might be able to split a 737 with LRM. AJMIA
148 MAH4546 : We will know within 2-3 weeks. AA is considering it. That is exactly what is being looked at. 4w LRM/3w AZS.
149 Chase : Well, HNL-ORD is still bookable at the moment for January 9th (the day I'm ticketed on that flight). I just tried to call to change my itinerary, and
150 MAH4546 : Saturday, between 1AM and 3AM EST.
151 AJMIA : True MAH, Sabre is usually updated only in the wee hours of Saturday, but I am surprised they have not zeroed out the flights that are going to be cu
152 Chase : Thanks, I'll give them a call on Sunday morning. Another question, if I may - are there restrictive rules for rerouting people who have redeemed mile
153 PanAm330 : Just posted this in the SJU thread, and am copying it in here for those who won't check/haven't checked it. MCO update: Not sure if it's a previously
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