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VirginBlue , Are They Safe?  
User currently offlineQFTJT From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 278 posts, RR: 0
Posted (13 years 6 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3021 times:

Hi all,

I have just found out that the new Australian airline VirginBlue has only 1 person in its engineering department for over 4 737-400 aircraft. This is also matched by special maintenence treatment from CASA, why should Qantas and Ansett have to follow different maintenence procedures and rules to Virgin!?

QFTJT

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User currently offlineBA747-436 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 1259 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (13 years 6 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2998 times:

I don't think that a sub of the world renownd "Virgin Atlantic" would have just 1 person maintaining 4 737's. I think somone has told you a porky!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy



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User currently offlineDatamanA340 From South Korea, joined Dec 2000, 547 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (13 years 6 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2993 times:

If it's right, maybe VB runs its maintenance all by out-sourcing. It's what VAA did early days.

User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8088 posts, RR: 54
Reply 3, posted (13 years 6 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2980 times:

Maybe the one person is a supervisor. But CASA have some of the highest standards in the world (along with the British CAA, who were the ones who insisted on the lower ventral stabiliser on the 707) and the question isn't, "Are Virgin Blue safe?", it's "Are Australian airlines safe?" cos all airlines operating in one country have to exist under identical standards. And the answer is unquestionably YES, since no Australian airline have lost a single passenger on a jet airliner or written one off.


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User currently offlineQantas737 From Australia, joined Jul 2000, 738 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (13 years 6 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2969 times:

Nicely put cedarjet. And as BA747-436 says "I think someone has told u a porky"  Big grin

User currently offlineVictor Hotel From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 305 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (13 years 6 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2961 times:

This I saved of a forum here once before so someone else deserves the credit for it, I found it rather amusing.
From PPRUNE.org..... (the Virgin Blue travel diaries)
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>>>I had my first ride on the Virgin today, and was a little 'shocked' myself. Boarded the aircraft, FA makes her welcome and says, thanks to all those people who tryed to screw up my counting, then proceeded to say something like how about the olympics we're pumped about it. After takeoff attempted to sell their merchandise before the food was brought thru. After that they annoucned in the spirit of the olympics they'll be doing face paintings in the rear galley, then proceeded to tell us how good the kids looked. On landing in SY the FA just says, and the winner is Sydney...usual landing speech all finished, then another FA grabs the PA and says 'all i have to say is Aussie Aussie Aussie OI OI OI', most pax didn't know what to think. Return flight was far better, no 'crap' just a usual flight with no carry on, except the girls sung the boarding message much the same as First Officer Tunedog mentioned. I mean some of it is a little funny but when they go overboard it just seems so unprofessional. One good point though is EVERY FA I saw was very very attractive! Either way crap or not loads were good, BNE-SYD had 156 pax, return SYD-BNE 162!<<<<

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>>>Yesterday in Sydney I decided to take a walk through "Domestic Express". The moment I walked in, all I heard on the PA was histerical laughter, followed by something like "we are VirginBlue, our big red toy is ready for you" sung by the idiot gate girl to the tune of "we are family". I promptly turned around and got the hell out of there. Apparently it's a regular occurance.
Come on people, what a bunch of unprofessional morons. I feel sorry for the peasants that fly with this joke (literally) of an airline. I wouldn't trust my life with a bunch of clowns flying "big red toys" around the country side.<<<
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>>>Yes I witnessed it the other day and I cringed as well. They where singing the Mickey Mouse Song but inserted Virginblue. If you look at the check in girls it looks like they came direct from the Coles check out. No offence to the girls at Coles.<<<

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Sounds interesting

VH


User currently offlineBostonBeau From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (13 years 6 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2959 times:

It is quite common for an airline to contract with someone else to do most or all of their maintenance. Especially a new airline, or an airline starting a new route, or an airline with a limited number of flights into a given city. I mean, is it safer to have an airline contract with experienced outside mechanics at a station, or to hire a whole bunch of brand new people and have to train them? I would go with the experienced people. It also costs a lot of money to set up an engineering/maintenance base, and for a new airline who doesnt know yet if a given route will be profitable, it would be a waste.

User currently offlineGardermoen From Australia, joined Jul 1999, 1522 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (13 years 6 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2952 times:

Face painting? Singing songs on the flight?? "Aussie Aussie Aussie Oi oi oi"???
What a total joke!! If i was there I would've got the hell out of there fast too. This is so bizarre, I mean, Virgin Express doesnt do anything like this. They are very professional for a no-frills outfit, why cant Virgin Blue do the same. When Richard Branson launched Virgin Blue, did he think the Aussie travelling public were a bunch up for a laugh?
I know he is known for doing somewhat outlandish things, but this??


User currently offlineQFTJT From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 278 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (13 years 6 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2929 times:

Cedarjet,

The one person in the Maintenence department is Mr. Clarke, clearly not a CASA supervisor. This is going to be very interesting when they receive over 5-9 737-700's this year. I would like to see how CASA handles this one!

QFTJT


User currently offlineVH-BZF From Australia, joined Oct 1999, 832 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (13 years 6 months 2 days ago) and read 2922 times:

Ansett does the maintenance on VB's B737 brakes & wheels & they have just signed a deal with LH Technic, for other major maintenance on their B73's.

cheers - BZF Big grin

PS. Yes I believe they are a very safe airline!



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8897 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (13 years 6 months 2 days ago) and read 2916 times:

I don't think Branson would set up an airline without considering safety. VS has one of the better safety records in the industry (no crashes, right?)

Jeff


User currently offlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2598 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (13 years 6 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2910 times:
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Maybe I could expand on the situation where one person appears to be responsible for the maintenance of a fleet of aircraft from experience with another company (not Virgin Blue)

The situation where all line and heavy maintenance is contracted out is a very common situation in small and medium-sized airlines.

The maintenance organisation is responsible for all maintenance, the airworthiness of the aircraft, implementation all ADs and SBs and maintaining the aircraft to an approved maintenance schedule, as approved by the CASA.

So it is the maintenance organisation, with a large staff of trained engineers and technicians that is the responsibility of the maintenance organisation, and not the airline, in this case, Virgin Blue. So it isn't that one man is responsible for the entire maintenance operation of the airline - far from it, the airline does not have a maintenance operation it is contracted out.

His role is a Liason Engineer, to ensure that maintenance is conducted to Virgin Blue company standards and deal with any issues that need to be resolved between the maintenance organisation and the airline - he will probably also be responsible for placing contracts for the outsourcing of various engineering roles. As his job title would suggest - he is the link between the airline and the maintenance organisation.

The costs of having your own in-house engineering department are high for a small airline due to the specialist skills and equipment needed so it makes sense to outsource. As an airline grows, it becomes more and more cost effective to bring more engineering functions in-house.

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User currently offlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2598 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (13 years 6 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2909 times:
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Obviously doesn't make sense because I've been moving my sentences around again without re-checking grammar!

Fourth paragraph should read;
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So it is the maintenance organisation, with a large staff of trained engineers and technicians that is responsible for the maintenance of the aircraft, and not the airline, in this case, Virgin Blue. So it isn't that one man is responsible for the entire maintenance operation of the airline, far from it. The airline does not have a maintenance operation, it is contracted out.
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User currently offlineRmm From Australia, joined Feb 2001, 524 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (13 years 6 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2901 times:

If it's of any interest to you an outfit called Jetcare handle the
Line Maintenance. I know 7 engineers alone in MEL working for
them. All ex AN.

Ade


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