Starship From South Africa, joined Nov 1999, 1098 posts, RR: 15 Posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1220 times:
SAA chief executive Coleman Andrews is to step down at the end of March. It was announced in a news conference at Johannesburg International, that he's to act in a supporting role to CEO designate, Andre Viljoen. Present SAA chairman, Bheki Sibiya has also announced that well-known businessman, Don Ngube, will take over from him as non-executive chairman of SAA from 1 March.
Essjay From South Africa, joined Dec 2000, 75 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1185 times:
I've also just read this story in my local newspaper. Here's some more information...
- Coleman Andrews' resignation comes 14 months before his contract was due to expire.
- Mr Andrews said the reason for his decision to leave was to help SAA prepare for its public listing next year.
"It simply is impossible to do a listing in the middle of a leadership transition. We should rather make the transition now - the timing is right," he said.
- Mr Andrews said that SAA's financial results had improved significantly since he took over in June, 1998.
*1998: Losses of R280,5 million
*1999: Profit of R9,6 million
*2000: Profit of R349 million
Check out the new SOUTH AFRICAN AIRWAYS website @ www.flysaa.com
747sp_rulez From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1178 times:
I also saw the story in The Citizen. But they don't have a website for some stupid reason. You've got to admit Coleman Andrews has done a great job in turning the company around, although I still, and always will, despise SAA! Long live Sun Air!!
And I agree with you Nick about the website...All they've done on some pages (for instance the fleet page) is cut, copied and pasted the code from their previous site onto this new one. And another funny thing I found was the cadet training application form. One of the questions asked was what race you were, which I found quite ironic, since that's what they used to ask in application forms during apartheid. I understand they asked the question since they want to give more opportunities to black people, but I still laughed when I saw it. And another thing I laughed at was when they asked if the applicant had passed Matric. Except it was spelt "Metric". That really cracked me up!!
Looks like it was as hot back then as it was today!
I've been meaning to ask you this for a while (but never remember when I'm at a PC) ... a while back you posted that the old SAA A300 "Love Plane" had ended up as an artificial reef - where'd you hear that? Last I heard of that aircraft was from those Florida college kids who were keen to start attacking it with blow torches
Southflite From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1150 times:
Thanks for the info. Has your neighbour mentioned anything about retirement dates for the 747 Classics? Seeing as the airline's just acquired two B743s ex-Swissair (with 3 more to come), I thought the phase out might already be starting.
I was disappointed to hear that SAA has delegated ZS-SAU "Cape Town / Kaapstad" to the new Nigerian codeshare service - hope this doesn't mean that it'll lose its name and SAA identity. I was rather hoping they'd use that awful Ndizani thing instead, and take the opportunity to repaint it at the same time
BTW, Tommy, Sun Air was a great airline, but IMHO Flitestar was even better (I even half-named myself after them). But SAA did the dirty on them too Still like SAA, though ... the others can never match its history, even if they outclass it on service.
Starship From South Africa, joined Nov 1999, 1098 posts, RR: 15 Reply 7, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1131 times:
Nothing has been mentioned about retiring the 747 classic fleet other than what I read in the Cape Times Business Report on Thursday, in which it was said that Mike Smith, Boeing's sales director for Africa, was offering updated versions of the 747 to SAA, but he expected the airline to be interested in the new long range 777.
That aside Airbus have also been making representations to the airline in the hope of securing an order.
The report mentioned that SAA would need to replace its long haul fleet by the end of the year. I don't think that statement is entirely correct. I see the 747 200s and SPs going as well as the 767s (if they havn't already). The 747-400s would stay - there is no need to replace any of them and perhaps the 747-300s will continue for another year or two.
747sp_rulez From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1127 times:
Hi Andrew and Nick,
I have only flown flitestar once, I think way back in 1992, and from what I can remember, it was a great flight. Their breakfast was fantastic (and it was on this flight that I developed my love for airline breakfast's) and the service was great as well.
I saw a photo of one of the 743's lying somewhere around, in SAA colours, and also saw that they are naming ZS-SKA (the one photographed) "Swiss Miss". Not a bad name, eh? And I hope sooooooooooo much that they don't scrap the SP's!! I would enter into a day of mourning!!
Essjay From South Africa, joined Dec 2000, 75 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1113 times:
Hey I think you added in an extra 0 there!
You need 20 000 Voyager miles for a return, economy-class, domestic flight. So keep flying...you still have some way to go! Your only real hope of getting a free flight sometime is to fly some international flights...and remember to link your Diner's Club card to your Voyager account.
The new website is definitely an improvement on the old one, but by no means brilliant. I agree, some of the info has just been copy-pasted to the new site, such as the fleet information (it is there Starship, take a closer look).
SA-JET From South Africa, joined May 2000, 297 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1106 times:
SAA-the company I hate to love!!!!! I think I will be giving SAA the benefit of the doubt until the day I die. Having said that, I'm glad Coleman Andrews is leaving. At first I had great respect for the guy, and I understood that he needed to make some tough choices, dealing with an ailing company like SAA, yet in the past few months things have been happening that makes me think twice. 1) can mangement and the cabin crew union ever get along? Somebody is forever threating someone over something. 2) this crisis between flight ops and the flight deck union, all the power to the pilots!!!! Things like this happen because people like Andrews are not managing properly, not ensuring that the right people are appointed for the right positions. People obviously have great respect for Viljoen and Don Ncube. I hope that these new appointments will revitalise the employees, because at the moment I think they have 10 000 pissed off people donning the SAA uniform.
New Website-DISCRASE!! Check out web sites for BA/Qantas and Northwest, and you know what an airline site should look like.
Even though, I would fly SAA anyday-because the day they get it right, I want to be there!!
Southflite From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1107 times:
Yes, the fleet info is on the new SAA website, but it's out of date. It includes at least 8 aircraft which have left the fleet (eg. ZS-SRA Protea, ZS-SDC Waterbok, ZS-SDE Springbok, ZS-SHD Visarend, ZS-SHG Korhaan, etc.), and there's no mention of the new B737-800s. The older B737s are referred to as "Boeing 737-200 S" - taken from their 73S type code no doubt - instead of the correct "Boeing 737-200 Advanced"
Tommy, you might have missed it, but one of your beloved B747SPs has already been scrapped. ZS-SPF "Soutpansberg", the newest one, was dismantled at Maputo about this time last year; this after the uncontained engine failure it suffered on take-off whilst on lease to LAM the previous October. Apparently it suffered R3M worth of damage but was only insured for R1M ... so was declared DBER (damaged beyond economic repair). A Gauteng-based company did the job of crunching it up into smeltable-sized bits after all re-usable components were removed
BTW, I think "Swiss Miss" is just ZS-SKA's nickname amongst the SAA staff, not its official name.
Another (former) SAA bird that recently went off to smelter heaven was LV-WBO of LAPA Airlines (Argentina) - she flew for SAA as the "Nossob" ZS-SBP 1970-1993. Three of her sisters are still flying for BA-Comair, another is with Vanguard Airlines (USA), and the other (of the original six) is with the Peruvian Gov't airline TANS.
Nick, what's the bet Airbus wins the fleet update contest? The 744s are definitely in it for the long haul ... and I think SAA intends to have the 743s around for a bit longer than 2 years, but you never know ...
747sp_rulez From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1098 times:
Yeah I heard about ZS-SPF - terrible. I know they still have ZS-SPA Maluti and ZS-SPC Hantam in their fleet, and there is a third one, ZS-SPC I think. Maybe if I win lotto I can buy ZS-SPE, and live in it for the rest of my life.
As regards to your's and Nick's bet about SAA's long haul, I would say Boeing. SAA has been a loyal Boeing supporter from the B707. Granted they did have the A300's and A320's, but they didn't exactly last long when compared to the 742's and those ageing 737's! And added to this, they've gone Boeing for short haul, so I would say they'll also go Boeing for long haul. Agree/Disagree?
Maybe there has been all these problems because Andrews is American. It might get better with a South African management team, but then again many airlines have these problems...No wait, I'm sticking up for SAA here...SAA is pathetic cause it can't deal with it's employees!
Regards - Tom.
PS...this is a question to everybody, and it's REALLY been bothering me...WHY HAVEN'T SAA NAMED THEIR 737-800 FLEET????
SA-JET From South Africa, joined May 2000, 297 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1091 times:
Know where you're coming from re. the comment about Andrews being American. He could have been any nationality, I think SA is populated by a pretty unique group of people, this country has been through so much, that yes, maybe a South African at the helm, who truly understands the SA situation, and inter-racial sentiments will maybe steer the company in a different, more understanding(?) way.
Is SAA planning another fleet overhall, beyond the 738 purchase? If so please tell me more (anybody) about this, as it is the first I've heard of it. I would love to see some 777-300s in the SAA colour scheme.
Nick, Tommy/Southflite-what do you guys think about the 737-800 fleet upgrade? Is it really the kind of plane SAA requires for domestic/regional services? I would have though that maybe a couple of 767s would have filled the A300 niche nicely, or maybe the 757?
Southflite From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1090 times:
Oops, got your SP rego/name tie-ups a bit mixed there, Tommy
Here's the complete list:
ZS-SPA Matroosberg (in service)
ZS-SPB Outeniqua (left fleet 99 / stored Marana as N747KS)
ZS-SPC Maluti (in service)
ZS-SPD Majuba (left fleet 85 / with Corsair as F-GTOM)
ZS-SPE Hantam (in service)
ZS-SPF Soutpansberg (scrapped 00)
Reason I say Airbus gets it is for political reasons - Boeing (USA) got the last order, so the pressure from the Europeans politically to get the next order will be extensive, and probably irresistable.
I think politics is the answer for your other question as well - they probably can't decide what to call the 738s. Remember that 744 ZS-SBS hasn't had a name since it was acquired two years ago. Its sister got named "The Great North" -> what kind of a name is THAT?? I know it's named after the Northern Province, but it's hardly a proper name. The B747s started out being named after mountains, and then after cities as the B707s bearing the city names were sold ... but now they seem to be getting names in no particular pattern. I could understand the switch to indiginous names, but then along comes "The Great North" ... bizarre !!
Southflite From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1087 times:
The next order will be to replace the 3 B747SPs and the 5 B747 Classics ... the Classics were delivered in 1971/2, and the SPs are only about 5 years younger - which means that many people who fly on those birds are younger than the aircraft they're flying on!
The choice will be between the B777-200 (of which SAA previously ordered 4 but then cancelled) and the Airbus A340-500/600.
As I understand it the switch to the B737-800 (21 aircraft) and the acquiring of extra B737-200s (to make about 20 of those) is to allow the airline to switch to a shuttle system on the golden triangle (CPT-JNB-DUR), as opposed to the old large-capacity flights early and late daily, with smaller capacities inbetween.
747sp_rulez From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1084 times:
Hi Andrew - thanks for the clearing up. The reason I got confused was because last December, as we were taxying out on my way to CPT for a holiday, I saw one of the SP's...it's name started with an "M" but I was pretty sure it was Maluti. I knew the rego was ZS-SPA...so I must have read it wrong.
Regarding "The Great North"...there is actually a road just under the taking off path at JNB (as opposed to the aircraft approath path) called "The Great North Road". It's not the motorway, but I think it's the old road that would have eventually got you to Europe. I agree with you that it's a bizarre name. The one thing that I respect about SAA is that they name their aircraft. In my opinion, it shows that a company has some pride in their aircraft, and does not see them as just machines. They could name their new aircraft after plants, birds, famous South African's (Sol Kerzner?) and so on.