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Flightblogger: Boeing Can Do A 787F Down The Road  
User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5752 posts, RR: 47
Posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3930 times:

Jon is saying that Boeing can do the the 787F but probably won't happen till around 2019-2024 time frame.

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/fl...oeing-were-ready-for-a-787-fr.html


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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19575 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3911 times:

I figured this was a given, anyway. It's a fantastic replacement for the 767-F and why wouldn't they?

User currently offlineOsiris30 From Barbados, joined Sep 2006, 3192 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3879 times:

Agreed. That's about as much news as 'birds fly (mostly)'. The timeframe however is a bit further out than I had imagined.


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User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10707 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3879 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 1):
I figured this was a given, anyway. It's a fantastic replacement for the 767-F and why wouldn't they?

Depending on which length such a future freighter is based on it could be a 777F killer as well.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 1):
I figured this was a given, anyway.

Me three. Would be odd if not.


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5752 posts, RR: 47
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3801 times:



Quoting NA (Reply 3):
Depending on which length such a future freighter is based on it could be a 777F killer as well.

Not necessarily. The 77F is bigger and (I think) would carry a larger load vs the 787F. Just as the 777F is to complement the 747F, Boeing wold try and aim the 787F to complement the 777F. I think the 787F would be a 767F and 767BCF killer.



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User currently offlineFuturecaptain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3749 times:

It was never a matter of if, only when.

Boeing has a long record of turning their airliners into freighters. No suprise.


User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2013 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3719 times:

Hmm, that suggests that the A330F has the market to itself in it's segment until 2019..


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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3713 times:



Quoting NA (Reply 3):
Depending on which length such a future freighter is based on it could be a 777F killer as well.

10-15 years later?



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User currently offlineZiggyStardust From Canada, joined Jul 2007, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3449 times:

Sorry for my ignorance, but why will it take up to 15 years after the 787-8 enter service before doing a freighter version? Are they planning to base it off the -9 model instead? Does it take a lot of engineering resources to create a freighter, ie increased strengthening to increase the payload? Or are production slots more valuable as a passenger airplane, so Airbus and Boeing wait until orders slow down before producing freighters?

User currently offlineMedAv From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 80 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3385 times:



Quoting ZiggyStardust (Reply 8):
Or are production slots more valuable as a passenger airplane, so Airbus and Boeing wait until orders slow down before producing freighters?

I've always wondered about that. I would think that the individual slots are probably worth the same, but passenger versions obviously sell in much larger numbers, so you need to please that end of the market first. Also, you're stretching out the run-time of a model with the later introduction of the freighter version.


User currently offlineBringiton From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 866 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3387 times:



Quoting ZiggyStardust (Reply 8):
Or are production slots more valuable as a passenger airplane, so Airbus and Boeing wait until orders slow down before producing freighters?

That is one of the reasons . The others being (Some not all) -

* Allocation of resources - Right now much work needs to be done to bring the 3 versions of the Dreamliner online and its going to take them almost 5-7 years of constant twitching around with their production line (not to mention the testing and cert of each variant) .

Moreover they have the 777F program that will be starting testing soon , the 748F and 748I programs and the 737RS somewhere in the second half of next decade . All of these will take time,money and brainpower so boeing is effectively in WAR mode for the next 10 years in getting the current programs of their feet and working on their next big project .

Its also a matter of HIGH demand for the PAX version (s) of the dreamliner , why spend a few billion in development--->selling production slots (2015-2020) when you can do so with easy and without introducing a new variant . Boeing will likely be producing @ full capacity till 2020-2022 after which they can introduce the freighter into their production line.

* All ready have a strong Freighter lineup in their offerings in the 777F , 748F and 767 freighter plus the BCF's and it might be a case where an early introduction of the 787F could eat away at potential sales of the 777F and the 767 freighter .

Just some of my thoughts..


User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8226 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3243 times:

Right now we're looking at the traditional time line for introducing a freighter, but the 787 is far from traditional in terms of production.

Right now we are also looking at the 787 as a plane with production problems and there is a tendency to project those problems over a long term. When Boeing & partners get the full production process worked out and running smoothly then we might get back to discussions like we had before the SNAFUs & FUBARs showed up.

It's LONG term, but I'm thinking mainly about the discussions of a second line - especially if the tanker deal stays with NG/Airbus. Boeing now owns the main problem child and could ramp up their production if they feel the investment is worth it. Other partners would also take a hard look at additional investments to increase production. When you reach a point where production is moving along at a normal (or better than normal) pace it looks attractive to look at growth through increasing production.

That leads to the potential for increased sales of the 3 planned models as well as adding a freighter. They might even decide to add a tanker to the list.  Smile

The challenge today is to focus on that point in time when the 787 production is normalized at the level originally planned.


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