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Any Airline Pilots With No Interest In Aviation?  
User currently offlineLIFFY1A From Ireland, joined Jan 2008, 120 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 12136 times:

Is there any airline pilots here who have no interest in aviation or never had an interest? Pilots who look at it as 'just a job'. If so, how and why did you get involved?

(This may be a very stupid question to ask on an aviation entusiasts website considering if you have no interest, you probably wont be on this site much! )

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User currently offlineKstatepilot From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 12110 times:

I have flown with a few pilots that have no interest in aviation, just want to travel.

User currently offlineSwissA330 From Switzerland, joined Mar 2002, 613 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 12103 times:

Well, you figured it out... Why should such a (ignorant  Wink ) person be on this forum??

I know of some pilots that only see it as a job, and have no interest in aircraft whatsoever, except for the money they get out of it...



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User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9054 posts, RR: 76
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 12079 times:
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Quoting LIFFY1A (Thread starter):

I flew with one or two who just see this as a regular job to pay the bills. Sure why not, it pays the bills. But I see it as a little more. For me it is hobby, job, passion, obsession Big grin Everything! I would chose that job everyday again  Wink

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User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 12070 times:

I knew once a captain who just flew to get enough years for a decent pension. He actually did not like his job at all.

Quoting SwissA330 (Reply 2):
Well, you figured it out... Why should such a (ignorant ) person be on this forum??

Bingo! Big grin


User currently offlineEuclid From South Africa, joined Apr 2005, 373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 11922 times:

My fiancé's boss is married to an SAA pilot. When I first met him he was a first officer on the 747-400. These days he is a 737 captain. To him it is also just a job to pay the bills. He told me that he never even imagined becoming a pilot when he was younger.

He told me when he was fresh out of university with (I think) a B. Com. degree he said he had no idea what to do next with his life, and decided to apply to the SA Air Force for pilot training. He was accepted and his future career path was set.

I actually invited him along once when I did my PPL renewal one year when I was busy flying the required minimum yearly hours, and he declined, saying that he was scared of small aircraft.


User currently offlineG4LASRamper From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 11774 times:

I know a guy like that. USAF Academy grad, became a T-38 flight instructor, then got hired at PSA. Took the first early buyout offer that had the right numbers. Hasn't flown since and doesn't miss it a bit.


"A pig that doesn't fly is just a pig." - Porco Rosso
User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 11764 times:

Unfortunately this is an industry where the love of aviation is the only thing that keeps people in the industry sometimes... so many other jobs have better pay and better quality of life. Its only the love of aviation that makes you try to forget all the negatives sometimes. Also unfortunately, it is an industry that has its heart set on destroying the love of aviation many pilots once had...

User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 11734 times:

Given all the hours a pilot must put in from ground school to become an airline hire, I cant imagine too many dont like it

User currently offlineTugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5627 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 11730 times:



Quoting Euclid (Reply 5):
I actually invited him along once when I did my PPL renewal one year when I was busy flying the required minimum yearly hours, and he declined, saying that he was scared of small aircraft.

That's actually an interesting secondary or follow-on question to the Thread Starter's: How many pilots (or people on this site) are afraid (probably not the best word) of flying in small planes (definition?) or vice versa, pilots who love flying but would never want to fly with 40-400 people in back of them?

To the thread starters question though, I know one pilot who flies cargo and just sees it as a job that gives him everything he wants: a lot of time off, travel, good pay, benefits, and a retirement to look forward to. He would be perfectly happy with a desk job if it gave him all that.

Tugg



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User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6483 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11627 times:

I know of a number of college graduates in the 60's who joined the Air Force rather than be drafted into the Army. after testing, they were assigned to flight school and became Air Force pilots. A good number of them quit as soon as they could, after their five year obligation and never flew again. And no, Vietnam experiences had nothing to do with it. The same with WW2 pilots. Most never flew again when they got out. It was just a job, they didn't particularly like.

User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6204 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11596 times:

Can't speak for the Vietnam era, but today I can't imagine anyone putting up with jumping through all the hoops to get this job who never had an interest ing flying. Perhaps the SJS wears off over time, and maybe there are plenty of folks who STAY in the industry despite the fading love; but with entry-level jobs paying slightly over the poverty line, there are plenty of other ways to pay the bills if that's all you want to do.


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User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 11518 times:
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Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 7):
Also unfortunately, it is an industry that has its heart set on destroying the love of aviation many pilots once had...

And to make matters worse, fewer and fewer kids are being exposed to the world of aviation. Airports are becoming surrounded with fences and gates, making views of aircraft a thing of the past. No parking signs line the streets adjacent to airports, and anyone with an interest in viewing airplanes is treated like a criminal. How can we expect to attract kids to the industry and inspire them to pursue a career in aviation when we're hiding the industry under lock and key? I think a lot of opportunities are being wasted in the name of "security".

Quoting Tugger (Reply 9):
How many pilots (or people on this site) are afraid (probably not the best word) of flying in small planes

I'm hesitant to fly with individuals who own their own planes but don't fly professionally. They usually turn out to be ok, but every so often I go up with one and am shocked at their lack of professionalism and maturity. If someone practices poor judgment in the air, chances are they don't take other things....like maintenance and general airworthiness....very seriously, either.

2H4



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19786 posts, RR: 59
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 11499 times:



Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 7):
Also unfortunately, it is an industry that has its heart set on destroying the love of aviation many pilots once had...

Funny. I could say the same thing of my job. I'm a doctor.

I love medicine. I love the problem-solving, the kids (I'm a pediatrician), the physiology, the pharmacology, the procedures, I love medicine.

But I hate the paperwork. And in 2006, approximately 75% of the average physician's time was occupied by paperwork. It's true. I can't do anything without writing a note about it afterwords. Sometimes those notes are 2-3 pages long. And if you forget some niggling detail, that can come back to haunt you in a lawsuit.

I know people who went into medicine without being completely in love with and fascinated by the discipline. Not only are they miserable, but they become bad doctors.


User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 11466 times:
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Quoting DocLightning (Reply 13):
I love medicine. I love the problem-solving, the kids (I'm a pediatrician), the physiology, the pharmacology, the procedures, I love medicine.

But I hate the paperwork. And in 2006, approximately 75% of the average physician's time was occupied by paperwork. It's true. I can't do anything without writing a note about it afterwords. Sometimes those notes are 2-3 pages long. And if you forget some niggling detail, that can come back to haunt you in a lawsuit.

Interesting comparison. I suppose the doctors that go practice in third-world countries do so to get away from the culture of paperwork and litigation and to get back to the fundamentals of medicine.

I bet the pilots flying in those areas do so for the same reasons.

2H4



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User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6204 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 11450 times:



Quoting 2H4 (Reply 12):
How can we expect to attract kids to the industry and inspire them to pursue a career in aviation when we're hiding the industry under lock and key

It's called the Young Eagles program. http://www.youngeagles.org



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User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6204 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 11444 times:

oh yea, and the Civil Air Patrol cadet program http://www.cap.gov


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User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 11434 times:
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Quoting Jhooper (Reply 15):
It's called the Young Eagles program.



Quoting Jhooper (Reply 15):
oh yea, and the Civil Air Patrol cadet program

I've flown Young Eagles and love the organization, but as admirable as those programs are, I don't think they sufficiently counter the draconian measures that are being taken to keep the interesting side of airports out of view from the general public.

2H4



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User currently offlineDavidkb From United Kingdom, joined May 2008, 2 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 11390 times:

My dad told me about a friend of his that flew Lancasters during the second world war, at the end after 3 years of operations he was offered position of captian with BOAC............he turned it down straight the way.......he never wanted to pilot an aircraft again (and he never did !)..........and went back into engineering for the rest of his working life....

User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6204 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 11341 times:



Quoting 2H4 (Reply 17):
I've flown Young Eagles and love the organization, but as admirable as those programs are, I don't think they sufficiently counter the draconian measures that are being taken to keep the interesting side of airports out of view from the general public.

perhaps not, but the programs I mentioned are two ways we can have an impact. Perhaps more than 'security', the rising cost of training (err, fuel) are keeping lots of young people out of aviation. I wish I had the magic bullet solution to the problem, but until then I all can do is spread the word that there are worthwhile programs out there young people can get themselves involved with if they're interested in flying.



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User currently offlineStarAlliance38 From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1445 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 11295 times:

Maybe not pilots....but there are some airline employees who don't seem to really care about their employer and just don't know anything about aviation.

Of course....there are great employees that do know something about their field  Smile



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User currently offlineSpeedbird2263 From Jamaica, joined Jul 2006, 470 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 11249 times:



Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 7):
Unfortunately this is an industry where the love of aviation is the only thing that keeps people in the industry sometimes... so many other jobs have better pay and better quality of life

I have what you may call a "Mother's Love" for aviation. The day my mom decided to take home that little 747 that had all the bells and whistles and even did a takeoff run I was hooked. That was 18yrs ago and I haven't wavered one bit, been to 'hell and back' with getting my licenses and ratings; still not done yet, but Im hard pressed to "drop out" as this is the one and only thing that I know for sure will make me wake up every monday morning actually looking forward to work. As a matter of fact Im one of those who dont see flying professionally as work per se...Id fly any day rather than 'work'  silly 

Kudos to all who stuck to it throughout the years through similar rough times and made it, they are the ones I Now look to, to inspire and encourage me to keep on pushing to achieve the dream and live it. 'dunno if I'll retire at 65 on a grand ol' airliner with a couple thousand cycles on her and another couple thousand hours in the log...but I continue to dream and work towards it. Sure isn't what it use to be, and one can only hope that some of the glory from the days of old returns.

 twocents 



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User currently offlineMjzair From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 401 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 11227 times:

Well, let me just say that I am an airline pilot and I love my job. I hate being away from home, but I guess you have to take the good with the bad sometimes.
That being said, I have flown with several people who hate the job, industry time away from home etc... but keep the job to pay for benefits (insurance and flight bene's and the such).
It has been said before on this post, I cannot imagine doing this job without a love for it.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19786 posts, RR: 59
Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 10951 times:



Quoting 2H4 (Reply 14):
Interesting comparison. I suppose the doctors that go practice in third-world countries do so to get away from the culture of paperwork and litigation and to get back to the fundamentals of medicine.

Interesting you brought that up. Why do you think "Doctors Without Borders" is so popular? Because you can go somewhere and be a friggin' doctor. Not a lawyer and a glorified secretary and a team manager and an account, but a doctor. You can treat a patient and not worry that he'll turn around and sue you for something that is beyond anyone's control. You can heal, cure, comfort, and console and never write down a single note that isn't a necessary record for the patient's care. You can do what doctors are meant to do, which is heal the wounded, cure the sick, and for those who we cannot help, console.

And I am sure that pilots feel the same way. They just want to fly planes.

As for me, I just admitted a 5yo boy with asthma to the inpatient unit. I spent 5 minutes with the child. I spent 15 minutes writing his admission note and putting in his orders.  sigh 


User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 24, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 10905 times:

Airline pilots - I mean American Airlines, Continental Airlines, and United Airlines pilots - may be less interersted in aviation today. Time tell the story.


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25 DeltaAVL : I've got a friend who's training for his PPL just for the heck of it... Doesn't even know what plane he's flying, which I found unbelievable. In his w
26 CX flyboy : Plenty of people in my airline who have no interest whatsoever....to the extent that when ATC at London Heathrow (Where there are lots of planes taxyi
27 Hp2us : I dreamed of following my Grand fathers foot steps and becoming a pilot, I even got accepted into Embry Riddle. How ever, as much as it is a passion
28 Pilotdude09 : Well i doubt you will find many guys in aussie that think its 'another job' when you have to spend 100k-200k to get the job in the first place -Studen
29 Captaink : I worked in the airline industry before and the majority of my coworkers didn't find aviation as exciting as I did. It was just their job simply put.
30 2H4 : I agree, but when I complain about the how the over-the-top "security" measures are adversely affecting the aviation professionals of the future, I'm
31 PhilSquares : I don't know if I would call it not interested, perhaps indifferent. Now, I will try to put this forum in perspective of how it is in the "real" worl
32 DocLightning : Look, as much as I hate what's happened to healthcare, I still show up. Yeah, it's hard to make a living. Yeah, the paperwork and litigation suck. Ye
33 Asuflyer05 : I've gotten to this point. I have my single & multi commercial licenses with about 235TT/120ME. I started my training with the expectation of eventua
34 Jarvis78 : I know several BA pilots who started their flying careers on 73's and 320's about 4 years ago. Many made it very clear how much they HATED the trainin
35 VS773ER : great thread. I too know if 747 cpt for BA who once told me stories of flying with ex-Grads who opted for a career being a pilot after failing to achi
36 LIFFY1A : The reason I started this thread is because I was talking to someone last week thats starting his ATPL training soon. He had no real interest in aviat
37 Warszawa : Virtually the exact same position i'm in. I have no family members in the industry (and never have). I too was accepted to ERAU (DAB campus). Even fl
38 TN757Flyer : I've a brother that started out with a passion for flying. His first job was a flight engineer way back in a TWA Convair 880. As his career continued
39 Type-Rated : I had an instructor who left to go fly with SO before he signed me off for my Commercial ticket, he just disappeared and went to ATL without notice.
40 FlyASAGuy2005 : This one hits home. My father is a Captain with Conti; has been flying with them 21 yeas this year and he's told me that he didn't develop a "love for
41 NwAflyer07 : To me, it seems that most serious aviation fanatics grew up with the industry. My grandfather worked in maintenance for PanAm, my father, who's origio
43 Avallillo : To add a bit to the gist of a previous reply, in my experience ( 31 years with AA, prior USAF) the most likely person to be an airline pilot and yet h
44 GlobeEx : Hehe, that is so true. I was in ORD in January, taking ORD-FRA with LH and started chatting with some LH employees at the gate. I had to tell them, t
45 Aguslamm : I met an AZ MD11 Cargo pilot last year, he told me he once confused a 321 with a 767 during trainig! And once I asked a United 737 pitot if the type I
46 Usair320 : that's a bit unsafe. It's one thing to not know the dofference beetween a -200 or -300, but the entire type is another thing....
47 RJ111 : If you don't have an interest in aviation it's very unlikely you'll become a pilot. It's very expensive to learn and quite an unstable business. Thoug
48 Confuscius : Hmm, that's a path to Commander-in-Chief... Three letters will do that: H.M.O.
49 PGNCS : Mission accomplished. Imagine it. You are very wise, indeed. Again, imagine it. I really enjoyed it when I started as well. I enjoyed my time in the
50 Woodsboy : Back when I use to work for Alaska AIrlines as an Ops agent I ran across alot of pilots who didnt seem to know too much about airplanes. In Fairbanks
51 Standby87 : 38 years I was taken to Ringway Airport Manchester by my Grandmother. I can still remember it like yesterday. If she hadn't taken me, how would I have
52 SBBRTech : That's a interesting question. Are there such people ? You got it. I've got a genuine passion for flying and I never turn down any chance of being in
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