BWI757 From Israel, joined Dec 2004, 429 posts, RR: 2 Posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2465 times:
From today's New York Times, along with video footage of the device
BOSTON — At the edge of Logan International Airport’s Runway 15-right, a technician watched a yellow sensor slowly scan back and forth across the pavement. He waited until it was pointed away from him and, like a man dodging a lawn sprinkler, he rushed to the middle of the 150-foot-wide runway, tossed a plastic pen onto the surface, and dashed back.
The sensor is being tested by the Federal Aviation Administration to detect “foreign object debris,” known as F.O.D., that can damage airplane engines on takeoff or even lead to plane crashes.
On this occasion, it worked. In less than a minute, a computer in the control tower half a mile away sounded an alarm in a mechanical voice: “F.O.D. Alert, F.O.D. Alert.”
The camera at the edge of the runway automatically zoomed in on the pen nearly 75 feet away, and in the image on the computer screen in the control tower, the computer drew a red box around it to highlight its location. A co-worker in the tower announced over a radio, “I see a pen.”
Flyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2397 times:
I wonder what would happen if it were put on some of the lower quality airport runways out there. There are runways at major international airports in the US that are covered with un-even patches leaving sharp corners resembling shallow potholes. After airplane after airplane goes over them, the edges get turned into gravel... which then covers the runway.
B6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2386 times:
This is really great to hear!!! FOD is very tricky. I do a FOD walk every day at the hangar when I go for my after lunch walk (not on rainy days) and pick up random FOD on the ramp. But, give it a few minutes and something else will get blown in with the wind.
Now if they could only do something about birds...
"If you do not learn from history, you are doomed to repeat it"
RandyWaldron From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 324 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2367 times:
What a joke. You mean to tell me that should this idiotic technology be put into place, the controllers are now going to issue a "FOD" alert? Also, how does this technology know the difference between, lets say, a pen or a bird? On the BOS atis, we're already subjected to "heavy bird activity in all areas" - on every single ATIS transmission, whether there's a bird on the field or not.
Also, they're testing this technology in BOS? Our runways are situated in the middle of a harbor and are consistently subjected to heavy winds and small amounts of extremely non-lethal debris that criss-cross the runways on a daily basis. What a joke and a waste of money.
The FAA should put their emphasis on their "you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours" policies rather than conducting a useles FOD study. I can see it now on CNN: "All traffic to Boston has been diverted due to a pencil rolling down runway 22L" - I'll never understand why the FAA is so backwards.
Yes, just another idiotic piece of machinery to divert a controller's attention. Hmmm, BOS has 6 points where runways intersect each other, two LAHSO light strips, and a complicated taxiway system. Sure, let's get some FOD detection out there...great idea...lots of times couches, tires and the odd moose or two wander onto the field.
Absolute stupidity. I can't wait to see the opening on the Massport website for a "FOD Manager" at $70k+ a year. I'm sure they'll be able to allocate the funds to hire another political kiss-a**. Is it me, or does anyone else in the nation see the corruption and bureaucratic pitfalls that plague this airport?
SeaBosDca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7016 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2339 times:
Quoting RandyWaldron (Reply 5): Is it me, or does anyone else in the nation see the corruption and bureaucratic pitfalls that plague this airport?
Don't let your blood pressure rise over it. The airport is located in Massachusetts, so there is no hope that it will ever be free of corruption and inefficiency. People there tolerate corruption, and the resulting infrastructure problems, as normal.
Pliersinsight From United States of America, joined May 2008, 519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2336 times:
All kidding aside my site name comes from a fun day awhile back when somebody dropped a pair of pliers on a taxiway at KAGC. As I was going down the taxiway on one of my earlier flight lessons ground advised that a pair of pliers was ahead of me in line with a mooney parked on the ramp. My instinctive, yet dorky, reply was "Ground, 2 romeo quebec has the pliers in sight". The laughter from my instructor and the commentary from some people back at the FBO who heard the exchange was rather priceless. My instructor added that I should have advised not only that I had the pliers in sight, but that they were "not a factor".
As to the pliers, somebody in a truck came and got them. Would they have been anything but a rusty pair, or a nice leatherman, I might have asked ground to stop and pick them up.
Pilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2165 times:
What ever happened this technology being tested at DAB? Lockheed Martin was partnering with ERAU and the airport to create "The Airport of the Future". There's suppose to be a building built across where the current school bus lot is on the southeast side of the airport. They were going to install tons of equipment, for example, microwave scanners that can detect FOD and other foreign things on the airport grounds. It was also going to monitor all movements of aircraft and make sure there are no errors. Haven't heard anything about this in a while.
But hopefully, no matter where it's tested, it will become standard at all airports and decrease accidents and incidents due to FOD and other on-the-ground issues.
ARFFdude From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 152 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2104 times:
Quoting RandyWaldron (Reply 5): the controllers are now going to issue a "FOD" alert? Also, how does this technology know the difference between, lets say, a pen or a bird? On the BOS atis, we're already subjected to "heavy bird activity in all areas" - on every single ATIS transmission
I'd wager its not so much to inform pilots, but to inform airport ops so that someone can get out there and pick it up. In my runway surface inspections I've found dead animals, gas caps, chocks, you name it.
TwinOtter4Ever From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1904 times:
YVR has has this type of system for a couple of year in permanent operation, though they tested it prior to that. I believe one system, which YVR uses, is the qinectiq Tarsier system. Both main runways have there surface fod detector off to the side of each end of the runway and can pick up pens apparently, though from the sounds of the tower communication.
Radar with signal processing etc..We might be the only major airport with it...
Checked again..Dubai (doha) is installing it as of '06..Been tested elsewhere too...Must be expensive for so few airports to spring for it. YVR probably got a nice promotional deal, as they are listed prominently in their literature.