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Stewardesses - Just Not The Same Anymore?  
User currently offlineEnzedder From New Zealand, joined Aug 2005, 53 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 14953 times:

here an interesting article (in german though) but the pictures speak for themselves.

http://einestages.spiegel.de/static/...round/1943/hotpants_am_himmel.html

enjoy

enzedder

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User currently offlineMiller22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 721 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 14948 times:

It really has sad the direction this industry has gone over the past few decades. The decline in "scenery" inside the cabin is just one of the problems we didn't used to have. I'm sure most of you have already seen this, but for those who haven't, there are tons of pictures of how stewardesses (now flight attendants) used to be:

http://www.airlineempires.net/content/view/112/88/


User currently offlineGT4EZY From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 1804 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 14854 times:

What a shame the article is in German. Hoewever, from the post title, we get the drift. Whilst the actual job has never, in my opinion, been glamourous the perception in years gone by has always been that it was. Sure, nightstops were plenty etc but the actual onboard duties have remained similar. BOB has prevailed to a large extent but serving a complimentary G&T and a £4.00 G&T is pretty much the same thing. Having done both, i prefer the latter as the me and my crew make 10% on everything we sell.

The article, just by looking at the pictures, seems to take a sexual undertone....am I right? Sure, the uniforms might not be PSA mini skirts or WN hot pants but on the whole crews look very smart and professional in what they wear, atleast in Europe and the middle/far east and dare i say it, even Easyjet nowadays. I also work with some, sometimes, stunning girls (and I am gay) but they aren't on the job because of that, they are there to look after the safety of all our passengers aswell as to make their flight more enjoyable through cabin service. They aren't there as some sex object for men (or women) to perv at. If you get a particularly good looking lady on your flight, by all means, admire but that is not why she is on board.

She is not chosen by the employer because of her looks. That is, thankfully, such an outdated criteria. I also work with some girls who are perhaps not as good looking but likewise they were chosen on the basis of ability. Nevertheless, grooming within cabin crew is still a big part of the job, even for the lads and again, even at Easyjet et al.

I would agree that perhaps the same illusion of our "hosties" no longer dominates but this is sometimes reflected in the service style and often through rose tinted glasses. A perfectly groomed stewardess afterall looks very elegant whilst "sponging" your meal or handing you an hot towel but this kind of service, in Y atleast, is becoming rarer. There is also an element whereby the crew have to put up with some pax who are becoming ever more rude. e.g arguing the toss about stowing bags in the overhead if sat at the exit rows etc. Even when i was a child back in the 90's, cabin crew were held in high esteem and most pax complied willingly with simple rules and regs. It is also worth while mentioning that some of the stewardesses that are remembered so fondly are still flying and, whilst very experienced, are often the grumpiest ones around!

The job is, like many ofther jobs, hard work but fun. However, the aisle is a passage down an aircraft and not a catwalk. The crew are there to offer you good customer service, but not kiss your ass, and above all to be there for safety purposes. By and large most crews, male of female, perform this role to a high standard.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20365 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 14824 times:



Quoting Miller22 (Reply 1):
It really has sad the direction this industry has gone over the past few decades. The decline in "scenery" inside the cabin is just one of the problems we didn't used to have. I'm sure most of you have already seen this, but for those who haven't, there are tons of pictures of how stewardesses (now flight attendants) used to be:

Honestly, boys, aren't there more important things in the air than hot girl FA's? It's not like most of you get to touch, anyway.

And what about those of us who are into boys? What about our eye candy? Too bad men don't typically wear skin-tight uniforms.  Sad Now, that pic in the article of Leo DiCaprio in a Captain's uniform? That's what I'm talking 'bout!

And as for those of you who really need the hot girls, you missed out on Hooters Air


User currently offlineGT4EZY From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 1804 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 14794 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 3):
And what about those of us who are into boys? What about our eye candy? Too bad men don't typically wear skin-tight uniforms.

No thanks, though the U2 uniform fits me better than the BA ever did. My arse looks pretty good in it even if i say so myself.  Smile



Proud to fly from Manchester!
User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20365 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 14759 times:



Quoting GT4EZY (Reply 4):
No thanks, though the U2 uniform fits me better than the BA ever did. My arse looks pretty good in it even if i say so myself.  

*rummages through GT4EZY's profile* Ah! That's what I like to see!  Wink

Hey, I'm always here to stand up for womens' rights. (That's my excuse and I'm sticking with it! )  duck 


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26021 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 14746 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 3):
And as for those of you who really need the hot girls, you missed out on Hooters Air

It's also hard to imagine most of today's flight attendants (the female ones) wearing one of Southwest's first uniforms from the early 1970s.



User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 14632 times:

Grow up. It's a profession, not a sexual fantasy for passengers. AND in today's world the passengers consist of gay men, enlightened men, women (both professional and respected homemakers), who care about safety first. I'm so glad times have changed for the better.

User currently offlineMicstatic From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 787 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 14602 times:



Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 7):
Grow up. It's a profession, not a sexual fantasy for passengers. AND in today's world the passengers consist of gay men, enlightened men, women (both professional and respected homemakers), who care about safety first. I'm so glad times have changed for the better.

Lighten up chief. There is a saying, "sex sells", for a reason!



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User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 14525 times:

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Quoting Micstatic (Reply 8):
Lighten up chief. There is a saying, "sex sells", for a reason!

Ok. I hope it's your wife, mother, daughter and/or sister we're talking about. Now do you feel differently?


User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 9294 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 14486 times:



Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 9):

If it was my Mother, wife, daughter, sister, I would still say, give me the good old days, they knew how to take care of themselves. I always looked at women and I knew they were sombodies relatives, seems normal to me. I still prefer a woman as a FA, somehow that appeals to me, even at my age.



It is better to die on your feet, than live on your knees.
User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20365 posts, RR: 59
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 14476 times:



Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 9):
Ok. I hope it's your wife, mother, daughter and/or sister we're talking about. Now do you feel differently?

Well, I always notice that men are quick to objectify women. When I turn around and start objectifying them then they don't like it so much. Double standard much?
 scratchchin 


User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 9294 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 14401 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 11):
Well, I always notice that men are quick to objectify women. When I turn around and start objectifying them then they don't like it so much. Double standard much?

Life is complicated enough, you look at who you want to and everyone else can look at who they want to. Simple, people are attracted to other people, I have never objectified anyone in my life, I think that term is silly, you either think a FA has it or they do not. I am not talking about a good job either. Such is life, deal with it.



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User currently offlineSkyGirl From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 451 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 14371 times:

I was walking to my car a few days ago, when a lady stopped me in the parking lot and asked if I was a stewardess. I smiled and said yes (I've never taken offense to the term) and she seemed so excited like she was meeting an A list celebrity. I found it to be a most interesting experience, because I've never had this happen before. And then I realized that she grew up in the glamour days of flying. When she was younger, a stewardess was a celebrity in her own way. And I feel like I was born 20 years too late (and 8 inches too tall)

I think a lot of the changes came about with political correctness, and as always deregulation. Travel is no longer a luxury. It's no longer exclusive. Then you dig into cost cutting to save money, decreasing the level of service. Add in longer work hours for flight attendants, less pay, and no rest. I can't tell you how many times I've worked a 14 hour day on 6 hours of sleep. One thing that I've always found to be funny (time for me to pick on some of my coworkers) is how they fought for the right not to be a sex symbol as it was, and then the second they get their uniform, the first thing they do is shorten the skirt about 5 inches above the knee and then put on 4 inch stilleto heels.

Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 7):
Grow up. It's a profession, not a sexual fantasy for passengers. AND in today's world the passengers consist of gay men, enlightened men, women (both professional and respected homemakers), who care about safety first. I'm so glad times have changed for the better.

Up until WWII you had to be a registered nurse. I believe that even with some of the saftey training that we go through today, and even with all the equipment we have on board, these women might have been better prepared to handle certain emergencies on board than some of the flight attendants we have on today. Just a thought I've had based on personal experience with some of my flying partners.



...Now they face an even greater danger...Tyrannousaurs in F-14's!!
User currently offlineAviateur From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1360 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 14265 times:

A year or so ago I published an article defending use of the word "stewardess," and you would not believe the amount of crap I got for doing so. Hate letters by the dozen.

Flight attendants, stewardesses, trolly dollies and Singapore Girls http://www.salon.com/tech/col/smith/2007/02/09/askthepilot220/

My mother signed on as a flight attendant for American Airlines in 1965. Correction, she signed on as a stewardess for American Airlines in 1965. I have her acceptance letter, with its invitation to training at American’s “Stewardess College” in Dallas. I also have her copy of the airline’s grooming and behavior handbook, a 200-page volume of tips and instructions titled “Look of the Leader.” Among the 12 chapters are “Streamlining the Figure,” “Complexion Care,” and no fewer than 40 pages devoted to hair, including a sub-section on “setting patterns.” And this, from the guidelines under “Mouth Hygiene” (page 10-1):

“Squibb’s bicarbonate of soda, followed with a strong, hot, salt-water rinse. Especially good for gum condition -- pink toothbrush.”

We in the United States might have a hard time grasping it, but in many parts of the world, flying for a living still has glamorous overtones. Not subtly in the concept of the Singapore Girl, that vestige of glamour lingers -- and carries with it, like it or not, a certain high fashion sex-symbol status.

On a hot, drenching night in 1993, I was at the Bangkok airport trying to catch a standby seat to Narita. It was four in the morning and the terminal was elbow to elbow with sweaty and exhausted travelers. Suddenly the crowd parted, and there before me was a vision I could hardly believe. It was the cabin crew from Gulf Air -- a dozen flight attendants -- making its way to the gate for their pre-dawn departure to Bahrain. Never in my life had I seen stewardesses like these. Each was stunningly attractive and looked about six feet tall. They walked single file, as if down a fashion show runway. Behind them, like servants, came a pair of porters towing the crew’s luggage on a metal cart. Central to the effect was the standard Gulf Air uniform. Created by Belanciaga, it featured a long beige coat and a chic redesign of a Muslim headdress -- a hat with a luxurious purple veil swirling across the neck and shoulders. People dropped their luggage and stared.



PS



Patrick Smith is an airline pilot, air travel columnist and author
User currently offlineSASDC8 From Norway, joined Mar 2006, 772 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 14186 times:
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Quoting Miller22 (Reply 1):
It really has sad the direction this industry has gone over the past few decades.

I totally agree with you.. Thankfully i do not have to fly an of the US airlines when I go to the states Big grin

Cheers
Stein



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20365 posts, RR: 59
Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 14121 times:



Quoting SkyGirl (Reply 13):
Up until WWII you had to be a registered nurse.

As absurd as spending 40 pages on hair might seem, this idea seems even more absurd to me. I understand why it was done back then.

But then again, back then, nursing didn't require a 4-year degree. Today, in the allied health professions, RN's are highly-educated, highly-trained professionals. And there is a huge shortage of nurses. *huge.* Right now, our inpatient pediatric unit runs at an 8:1 patient-to-nurse ratio. It should be 4-6:1. And so nurses are being offered very high salaries to attempt to attract more.

I wonder. How much did a F/A make back in the "golden days?" Anyone know? And anyone how that compares to today's dollars?


User currently offlineSkyGirl From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 451 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 14085 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 16):
I wonder. How much did a F/A make back in the "golden days?" Anyone know?

I should know this. I was just reading about this yesterday. I know that the first stewardesses didn't make that much. It was like $125 a month, with a minimum of 100 hours of flying, I think. Emphasis on the thinking part.



...Now they face an even greater danger...Tyrannousaurs in F-14's!!
User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20365 posts, RR: 59
Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 14078 times:



Quoting SkyGirl (Reply 17):
I should know this. I was just reading about this yesterday. I know that the first stewardesses didn't make that much. It was like $125 a month, with a minimum of 100 hours of flying, I think. Emphasis on the thinking part.

But in 1935 you could buy breakfast for 25¢. So $125/mo was a lot.


User currently offlineMicstatic From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 787 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 14061 times:



Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 9):

Ok. I hope it's your wife, mother, daughter and/or sister we're talking about. Now do you feel differently?

You make it out to be a strip club in the air. Being pretty is not a bad thing.



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User currently offlineSilentbob From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2188 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 13957 times:



Quoting Miller22 (Reply 1):
It really has sad the direction this industry has gone over the past few decades. The decline in "scenery" inside the cabin is just one of the problems we didn't used to have. I'm sure most of you have already seen this, but for those who haven't, there are tons of pictures of how stewardesses (now flight attendants) used to be:

Unfortunately for most flight attendants, they don't have much to look at when it comes to the passengers either. If you want to fantasize about someone in a uniform, I'm pretty sure there are websites dedicated to that. I'd much prefer my in flight staff to be competent and professional, not cute and vapid. It's guys like you that set the rest of us back every time you open your mouth.


User currently offlineL1011Lover From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 989 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 13725 times:

Well by the fact that the author of this article refers to the Hooters Girls as "Flight Attendants" it clearly shows me that he didn't do his homework. We all know they were additional (to the actual cabin crew) and never trained for any flight attendant responsibilities!

Sure times have changed... not only in the airline business but everywhere. And just as someone stated before it's not like it used to be on the passenger side either... On an international flight you can count those passengers who really dress up on two hands... in the 50's, 60's and 70's everybody dressed up for a flight.

So how come people wearing polo shirts and flip flops expect stewardesses to wear designer uniforms???!!!

BUT the FA's still wear designer uniforms... at least on certain airlines... BA, AF, DL, LH, SQ... to name a few...

So it's really not that bad. There is still class, style and grace among the majority of flight attendants... a few bad apples can be found everywhere. But it simply isn't true that most FA's nowadays are frustrated, ugly, overweight and hate their jobs!

There is still glamour... I've been a FA for almost 12 years now... and I still think of my job as a very glamorous one... On Monday I'll be working a flight to LAX... and will have a nice 48 hour layover with all expenses paid in beautiful, sunny California... afterwards I'll be off for 5 days straight... and just because the FA job has become a real career and nobody is forced out of it when reaching a certain age doesn't mean the excitement is gone!!! I still love it and wouldn't trade it for anything in the world!!!

And damn do I look good in my designer uniform that I'm wearing with PRIDE!!!

I know that actually most people who refer to FA's as "peanut pushers" "trolley dolly" or the well known German "Saftschubse" are jealous... hahahaha...

This article is very superficial, has a very sexual undertone and is even going so far as being rude, inconsiderate, offensive and insulting toward the entire FA profession!

So please Mr. Sebastian Heilig next time you write an article do us a favor and do your homework... some better research and be a bit less slander... or better yet: Stop writing at all!!!

Best regards

L1011Lover


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20365 posts, RR: 59
Reply 22, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 13682 times:



Quoting L1011Lover (Reply 21):
So how come people wearing polo shirts and flip flops expect stewardesses to wear designer uniforms???!!!

I dunno. I wear nice slacks, a nice shirt, and nice shoes under my white coat to work (no tie; ties spread germs). My patients and their parents come in the most fantastic displays of absurd fashion I have ever seen.

I am at work, thus I should look professional. And so should a F/A. Heck, the pilots have to wear uniforms and nobody even sees them most of the time.


User currently offlineL1011Lover From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 989 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 13650 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 22):
I am at work, thus I should look professional. And so should a F/A. Heck, the pilots have to wear uniforms and nobody even sees them most of the time.

Exactly... and the majority of FA's do look professional and well groomed... it's unfair and unrealistic to judge the entire airline industry on certain airlines, their service standards, uniforms or lack thereof (polo shirts, sneakers etc.) or the occasional sour apple flight attendant...

when in fact the majority of airlines dress their FA's in real uniforms... okay not all of them are very fashionable or designer uniforms... but still real uniforms... and as I stated above a lot of airlines still have designer uniforms... and always used to!

I found LH's, DL's and AF's uniforms always very, very fashionable and classy... to name a few...

[Edited 2008-05-24 01:32:00]

User currently offlineThirtyEcho From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 1662 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 13280 times:



Quoting SkyGirl (Reply 17):
I know that the first stewardesses didn't make that much. It was like $125 a month,

From the BLS Inflation Calculator, that $125 per month in 1935 has a 2008 value of $2000 per month.

Hell, there are R/J First Officers who make less.


25 Smi0006 : I think people world wide have to accept that grooming standards are not universal, and in many countries are no longer as culturally as important as
26 AFGMEL : In the light tone in which I believe this thread was started, I have to tell you that in my extensive experience, the DJ boys down here look rather w
27 Apodino : This is a big problem in America and the world these days. Women are seen as objects for our gratification, and not as the dignified human beings tha
28 Faustino927 : I was an F/A for Pan Am. I started working in 1979 until Pan Am folded in 1991. We worked very hard and always with a smile on our faces. I am talking
29 DocLightning : I'll be in Oz this winter (your summer). I will keep that in mind.
30 Type-Rated : Does anyone remember the fiasco there was over the National Airlines (original) "Fly Me" campaign and NOW (National Organization of Women)? They said
31 Highflier92660 : Those Pacific Southwest Airlines (PSA) stewardesses in the photo are grandmothers now. From the look of those "Go-Go" hot pants, California Dreaming i
32 DocLightning : I'm thinking Californication. OMG, did I just type that out loud?
33 Babybus : I really miss the days when you actually had to have a pretty face and a nice (in proportion) body to get a FA job. Flying should be a special, glamou
34 Post contains links JFKTOWERFAN : Try google translate to read the article. It's not perfect, but does an ok job. http://translate.google.com/translate_t Corey
35 Mauiman31 : My hire and 4 years as an FA were in the mid/late 70's - when male FA's were a novelty for US domestic. Looking back now, during that transitional tim
36 HomaDreaming : Hi I have seen a few of these posts in the last few years that I just logged on to read the threads.But since I see this topic coming up I thought eh
37 DocLightning : This reminds me of a funny story. I was 16 or so and was flying SYD-DTW via OSA. There was a F/A aboard who was a Japanese interpreter. She was an een
38 Maverick747 : Lighten up, sir!!!!
39 Drewwright : We have a FA at our company with a gold tooth. In the front. The others arent much better. When I got hired we had standards, now they go to the food
40 Drewwright : Our motto. Why use food stamps when you can be a flight attendant and eat for free!
41 L1011Lover : That quote coming out of the -mouth/mind/keyboard- of a former FA and a current fellow airline employee is a real shame!!! You really believe that al
42 GayStudPilot : I'm always studly in my uniform... I agree, even though the public sees me a fraction of my working hours, I always try to look good. And this also g
43 Smi0006 : Haha, god help us if Europeans and gay guys start dressing poorly can you imagine what the rest of us will be looking like Seriously though, I think
44 GayStudPilot : I don't want to even imagine! lol
45 Drewwright : These are the same people who do INTERNATIONAL flights and expect poeple from the places we serve to speak perfect english. It's not a class distinct
46 DocLightning : Show us pictures and we'll be the judge of that. *challenging glare*
47 GayStudPilot : LOL
48 FlyboyOz : LOL! We still want to see the pic of you - Gaystudpilot in the previous thread.
49 Iairallie : Eat for free? Um not these days most airlines do not provide crew meals.
50 NEMA : Maybe i should apologise, then again maybe not, but stewardess is the first title that comes into my head as opposed to flight attendant when thinkin
51 Highflier92660 : I just clicked on your location and it showed "Tampa, Florida." That is closed to the hallowed, sacred ground of Hooters store number one in Clearwat
52 Cody : Three out of the four "stewardesses" in that PSA photo still work for US AIRWAYS to this day. So in a way I guess it is still the same today as it was
53 MD11Engineer : Even in maintenance, I have started copying my British and Commonwealth colleagues. At least when I'm on dayshift (where I will have to interact with
54 SQ772 : Stewardesses not the same anymore? In Asia, they're very much the same, or even better! Most of them still love their jobs, and passengers are happy.
55 Tsaord : If Flight Attendants have changed over the years as far as attitude and dress are concerned, passengers have changed right along with them. Everyone c
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