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Caribbean/Caribe/Caraibes Aviation Invasion 36  
User currently offlineCaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5960 times:

The invasion of the West Indian Community

Part 35

Caribbean Aviation News and Updates


  • Oil at US$130 per barrel, are time going to be hard in the Caribbean Tourism in the fall?Tourism ministers and officials meet this week.
  • Delta to end flights to Guadeloupe and Martinique before summer and LGA-BDA from September. Barbados gets weekly.
  • American Airlines CEO confirms some that reductions and cuts in service to the Caribbean will come soon.
  • Caribbean Airlines flights to FLL starts, daily service will commence from June 15th. The airline has received its 7th 737 registered 9Y-SLU for St. Lucia George F. L. Charles Airport configured 12 first and 148 economy from ex-ATA.
  • Cayman Airways to get two new aircrafts Saab 2000, reports revenues up and celebrates it 40th anniversary
  • Air Jamaica unions threaten more unrest for the management if wage negations fail.
  • CO divest itself of Copa as Copa continues to expand its fleet and routes.






On a side note the Trinidad and Tobago VS England game is on next Sunday at the Hasely Crawford Stadium.
The West Indies VS Australia begins 1st test march 22-26 May in Kingston Jamaica. All the best to the fellas.

[Edited 2008-05-24 19:07:39]


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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32782 posts, RR: 72
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5962 times:

Quoting Caribbean484 (Thread starter):
American Airlines CEO confirms some reduction and cuts in service to the Caribbean will come soon.

He has confirmed no such thing. Poor Caribbean journalism with no proper sourcing at its best. AMR has kept lip tight about the cuts, and it's sad that a Jamaican media source thought it was okay to lie.

The cuts are purely domestic. Whether are not there will be Caribbean schedule changes is another thing - it has nothing to do with the grounding of the S80s and ERJs.

Again, let's look at the original PR which should end confusion:

FORT WORTH, Texas, May 21 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- AMR Corporation, the parent company of American Airlines, Inc., today announced significant reductions to its 2008 domestic flight schedule, including a fourth quarter mainline domestic capacity reduction of 11 percent to 12 percent from the previous year.

The PR also highlighted that international capacity will increase year-over-year by between 1% and 2%.

We will definitley see changes in the Caribbean schedule, but whatever we do see is independent of the cuts announced this past week. Personally, I expect to see capacity to Caribbean increase slightly. Its where the money is.

[Edited 2008-05-24 19:07:17]


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User currently offlineLIA310 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Mar 2008, 407 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5947 times:

continuing from the last thread,

shortly after April last year VH stopped using their own equipment into POS and were chartering Avior 732's to do the flight for them when they started having fleet problems, and even now Avior has stopped doing the flights for VH, before its demise VH operated a daily MD-80 into POS which was full most of the time both ways


User currently offlineCaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5936 times:



Quote:

VH is "brain dead" at the moment but is still breathing, they are down to one flying aircraft at the moment. VH hasnt touched Trinidad ground for at least a year.

The CAL flight to CCS has been operating near full in both directions recently. It really has picked up since it began.
I dont know about CAL and PMV, they probably could make some money off of it because Avior operates a daily B1900 in the off season and during the busy periods you can see a few flights with 732's each day. Conviasa just recently started flying a second daily ATR42/72 flight but it stays the same during the busy period.

VH having fleet problems was the reason so many travellers did not wanting to fly to CCS with them and as LIA310 said they had to charter flights from Avior. Right now CCS-POS is basically very high yields for CAL with the break even much less than 50% loads.

PMV would be nice to do but maybe CUR can work too with some links to the different islands near the coast of Venezuela. There are always Trinis and business pax willing to go to PMV and CUR from POS.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8816 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5928 times:
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Quoting Caribbean484 (Reply 3):

I would think BW would aim to re-establish a POS-GND Dash-8 service since Liat is the only competitor on the route and also due to the obvious proximity and the demise of the POS-TAB-BGI route.


User currently offlineCaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5926 times:



Quoting SCL767 (Reply 4):
I would think BW would aim to re-establish a POS-GND Dash-8 service since Liat is the only competitor on the route and also due to the obvious proximity and the demise of the POS-TAB-BGI route

From what is being told they would re-established most regional routes and they would not really compete with LI. The last thing CAL and the GROTT is to compete with LI with low fares since it would cause many gripes with other regional governments.
Well all is being said is that they plan to have flights to GND and UVF/SLU this fall, remains to be seen but would be nice for connections to international routes.



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9821 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5902 times:



Quoting AA1818 (Reply 213):
And like I said, I am willing to put money on POS...what business is POS linked to the US via? OIL AND GAS. Have you seen what's happenned recently? Price of oil...UP UP UP...
The IAH flight is not going anywhere! YYZ and JFK are so filled with VFR and University students going back and forth that they too will not be affected!

We are all feeling the economic crisis worldwide, I don't see Trinidad being so special compared to the rest of the world because of gas or oil. Every island and country has it's own VFR, students etc but if the economy is in a downfall there just is no money. Again I don't see how Trinidad in this case would so special. Besides, YYZ and JFK are just two destination of all the other destinations. I think we will just have to agree to disagree.

A388


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8816 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5887 times:
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Quoting A388 (Reply 6):

I think we all know that Trinidad is blessed with Oil & LNG, but I think Trinidadians should be cautious, because as the world has seen, high oil prices comes along with higher inflation. Also, Trinidad needs to wake up and realize that if they don't solve their crime/infrastructure problems they will eventually lose foreign investment in other sectors.


User currently offlineTrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3238 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5856 times:

It is a major shame that VH has ended service to POS and indeed it is probably the end for them overall. Aeropostal was originally a French company and was the first airline to fly to POS (as in Piarco Int'l) in 1930 when it opened. Pan Am had flown to Trinidad before but used seaplanes (it had also served Tobago with seaplanes prior to TAB opening). When Aerropostal was reborn as a Venezuelan company in the 1950s it re-established POS as a route and in all of its subsequent guises POS was the one staple on its route map. Thus, the histories of VH and POS are indeed inextricably linked.

The world economy is in a major mess right now and the Caribbean will not be immune - indeed the spill-over is happening already (food prices soaring, some flights cut by DL for instance and the demise of the Tobago Hilton, now nationalised).

If BW restarted GND it would be as a feeder to its services to JFK, MIA and YYZ. It would have a hard fight to gain O&D market share from LI who do the route 4 or 5 times a day.

TrinToCan.



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User currently offlineLIA310 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Mar 2008, 407 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5831 times:



Quoting Trintocan (Reply 8):

at the moment LI only flies to GND 3 times daily, but they are adding another flight which operates 4 time weekly effective July 3rd.


I dont doubt that there is money to be made in GND for BW because in the days with star and liat competing, there were 8 flights daily to GND and during the busy periods all of these flights would be full and even now in the off season with the 3 daily flights, they sometimes still are sold out.

If BW had a once daily flight during the off season and two flights daily during the busy periods they could make some $


User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3435 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5821 times:



Quoting LIA310 (Reply 9):

I would really like to see BW re-open GND. I think it's sort of a basic link like POS- GEO, BGI, KIN, ANU, TAB. GND belongs in that line up!

AA1818



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User currently offlineCaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5813 times:



Quoting AA1818 (Reply 10):



Quoting LIA310 (Reply 9):

As said, when CAL restarts POS-GND it will be for connection purposes and some business, and CAL will not compete with LI, its the last thing they want to do. GND has many potential so lets see what happens.

Quoting Trintocan (Reply 8):

POS is not immune to the world as mentioned, inflation is high because of the high investment of replacing old infrastructure that the Government wants to finish is such a short pace of time. IMO they could slow things down a bit to bring down the inflation rate and crime is another story but thats with the people.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8816 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5775 times:
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How is BA's winter schedule to the Caribbean looking?
Are they still maintaining the twice weekly flights from LGW to TAB? I would think BW would codeshare on BA flights to TAB like they do at POS.

Quoting Trintocan (Reply 8):
Pan Am had flown to Trinidad before but used seaplanes

I've always looked for photo's of them in Trinidad and always come up empty handed, any suggestions?


User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5769 times:



Quoting Trintocan (Reply 8):
If BW restarted GND it would be as a feeder to its services to JFK, MIA and YYZ. It would have a hard fight to gain O&D market share from LI who do the route 4 or 5 times a day.

I beg to differ. BW when it operated BWee Express, carried a considerable amount of O&D passengers, at one point it did it with 8B and LI in the market as well. The only flight that had an almost majority connection passengers was teh afternoon flight with JFK and LHR connections, mostly LHR. Whats more, the flights that were full of connecting passengers were usually around peak seasons, with other direct services already full. If the service were to restart, though some passengers would be connecting the majority still would be O&D.

Quoting LIA310 (Reply 9):
I don't doubt that there is money to be made in GND for BW because in the days with star and liat competing, there were 8 flights daily to GND and during the busy periods all of these flights would be full and even now in the off season with the 3 daily flights, they sometimes still are sold out.

Full and overbooked during peak seasons.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8816 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5766 times:
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Quoting Captaink (Reply 13):
Full and overbooked during peak seasons.

True, I tried to go to GND(from POS) last DEC and the fare was over $300!!!


User currently offlineBWIA 772 From Barbados, joined May 2002, 2200 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5726 times:

MD90fan asked me to tell you guys that he has been really busy with school SAT and finals and that's why he has not been posting!

On CAL and GND

I really do not buy the whole CAL not wanting to compete with LI and this is simply due to the mentality of POS businessmen and to believe that it will be different with CAL is ludicrous! Of course they are not going to go after LI like who 8B but as the saying goes 'there is more than one way to skin a cat'

POS GND is going to be O/D with limited connecting traffic if this fall start is true then two main US markets out of GND would be served with a direct flight!

Regards
BWIA 772



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User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3435 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5723 times:



Quoting BWIA 772 (Reply 15):
I really do not buy the whole CAL not wanting to compete with LI and this is simply due to the mentality of POS businessmen and to believe that it will be different with CAL is ludicrous!

I thought you had a better understanding of aviation/ politics in the region than that.

The only reason CAL will not compete with LI aggressive is to avoid a fallout with the smaller regional Governments who are spending their countries' life savings supporting LI. I'm sure CAL would love to compete and try to wipe LI out of business, but politically it would be a nightmare, and while sometimes the smaller islands can be a burden on the GoTT, they often come in useful with regards votes, support and regional integration. Also, The GoTT was the one who facilitated a large loan to LI last year, they really don't want to shoot themselves in the foot. Idealy there will eventually be close co-operation between the two. Until then we will see reserved and tame competition!

AA1818



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8816 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5717 times:
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Quoting BWIA 772 (Reply 15):
POS GND is going to be O/D with limited connecting traffic if this fall start is true

So you don't think BW could make this work? I know BW has many loyal flyers at POS that would chose BW over LIAT any day!


User currently offlineTrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3238 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5698 times:

SCL767, about photos of Pan Am's seaplanes in both Trinidad and Tobago, the book "A History of Aviation in Trinidad and Tobago" by Michael Anthony has photos. The book was published way back in 1986 and as far as I know has not been updated but a used copy may be available if you search for it.

On another front, BW did not operate TAB - LHR / LGW flights and the BA route to LGW from there was started as far back as 1998. At the time of starting the route it owned Caledonian Airways which had a TAB route from 1993 but later in the decade it was planning to divest itself of Caledonian. Caledonian became jmc soon after that and left TAB in 2001 - jmc itself later became part of myTravel and is now Thomas Cook UK. The BA route to TAB is thus a stand-alone affair and completely unrelated to the POS service which was largely started at the behest of the T&T Government when BW decided to cede its LHR slots to BA. VS was also in the running but did not want to fly from POS. The BW codeshares will from November cover the LGW - UVF - POS flights as well as some LGW - BGI flights.

TrinToCan.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8816 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5686 times:
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Quoting Trintocan (Reply 18):

Thanks for the info Trintocan.


User currently offlineBWIA 772 From Barbados, joined May 2002, 2200 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5621 times:



Quoting AA1818 (Reply 16):

I do have a good understanding about Caribbean Aviation and the related politics but I also have this stupid idea that POS wants CAL to be a truly regional airline and that they are not going to wait for the share holder governments of LI to come around to POS way of thinking. The funniest thing is that I think that CAL has come up with a strategy to achieve this however given your comments I am given CAL and GOTT much more credit than they apparently deserve!

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 17):
So you don't think BW could make this work? I know BW has many loyal flyers at POS that would chose BW over LIAT any day!

  • BW POS GND from what was said in this thread is going to serve O/D and connecting traffic to YYZ JFK MIA (mainly the latter 2).
  • GND already has direct service to JFK and by fall 08 when CAL starts GND will have direct service to MIA.
  • Therefore I am saying that POS GND by BW will have more O/D traffic because of the direct flights GND has to JFK and the direct flight that GND will have to MIA starting this fall.
  • I am not questioning if BW can make POS GND work because of LI all I am saying is that the connecting traffic BW will see IMO will be minimal.

    Regards



  • Eagles Soar!
    User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3435 posts, RR: 4
    Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5609 times:



    Quoting BWIA 772 (Reply 20):
    The funniest thing is that I think that CAL has come up with a strategy to achieve this however given your comments I am given CAL and GOTT much more credit than they apparently deserve!

    CAL and the GoTT have no masterplan to rule the region. They could if they wanted, but the fragile nature of regional competition makes the disadvantages far greater than the advantages. Regional Governments will retaliate more than proportionately. T&T would loose a lot of it's political power (voting wise), it might loose landing rights/ 5th freedom rights among other things, further isolating T&T in the region. We are already looked upon unfavourably due to the fact that the region's oil/ gas bill has risen tremendously while we have profited!

    Trust me, the intentions to create a more extensive regional carrier (not a truly regional carrier though. CAL will eventually start to fly only the lucrative inter-island routes when the moment is right.

    On the point about creating a truly regional carrier. Pie in the sky. You know as well as I do that regional carrier and profits cannot go in the same sentence and CAL is focussing on profits right now. Some inter-island routes are necessary to facilitate the movement of people and cargo and due to the demographics of the populations, some of those flights will probably never make money. Of course there are flights which are big money earners- POS-BGI, BGI-UVF/SLU, POS-ANU to name a few.

    Quoting BWIA 772 (Reply 20):
    I am not questioning if BW can make POS GND work because of LI all I am saying is that the connecting traffic BW will see IMO will be minimal.

    Agree 100%. The only connexions that will be made in POS will be cheaper flights or if non-stop flights ex GND are booked flying via POS will be an alternative. POS-GND will definitely be primarily O&D as BWIA772 said.

    AA1818



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    User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8816 posts, RR: 5
    Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5584 times:
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    Quoting AA1818 (Reply 21):
    Some inter-island routes are necessary to facilitate the movement of people and cargo and due to the demographics of the populations, some of those flights will probably never make money. Of course there are flights which are big money earners- POS-BGI, BGI-UVF/SLU, POS-ANU to name a few.

    Agreed. I'll bet service to GND will be announced by fall and will be a welcomed new option to traveller's on both islands.


    User currently offlineCaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 1
    Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5558 times:



    Quoting SCL767 (Reply 22):
    Agreed. I'll bet service to GND will be announced by fall and will be a welcomed new option to traveller's on both islands.



    Quoting AA1818 (Reply 21):
    Agree 100%. The only connexions that will be made in POS will be cheaper flights or if non-stop flights ex GND are booked flying via POS will be an alternative. POS-GND will definitely be primarily O&D as BWIA772 said.

    The service will indeed much be welcomed by the people, more options, frequent flyer miles and better schedule. With AA starting flight in the fall, people using connecting flights will be limited in POS but as said more options with possible competitive fares also. If things go well with the negotiations right now, GND and SLU could see some fall flights.



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    User currently offlineHummingBird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3072 posts, RR: 0
    Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5538 times:
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    Cayman Airways reconsidering winglets

    Cayyman Airways Ltd (CAL) is reconsidering using the fuel-saving devices known as winglets to help counteract continually increasing fuel prices with which the entire aviation industry is struggling.

    Chris Stafford, of Aviation Partners Boeing, last week visited the Cayman Islands at the request of CAL to discuss options regarding winglets. The devices are attached to the end of a plane’s wing and by smoothing out the drag created in flight reduce the amount of fuel required by the aircraft.

    “Obviously the new environment of fuel prices these days has made [using winglets] make a lot more sense,” Mr Stafford said.

    An aging fleet coupled with the fact that CAL leases all of its aircraft has posed difficulties for the company in installing the winglets, which cost US$650,000 a pair.

    “They are leasing aircraft so it’s obviously going to require the leaser to either contribute financially” or help out in other ways, Mr Stafford said, but he added that “there certainly have been investments by the leasers on vintage ‘90s aircraft before”.

    According to CAL Deputy Board Chair Johnny Brown: “We have to complete the study and figure whether it makes financial sense to do it. If it does then we have to negotiate with our leasing company to try to see if we can get them to bear the costs or share the costs.”

    Aviation Partners Boeing is working with CAL on a “business case” to present to the airline’s leasing company to determine the economic feasibility of retrofitting the fleet with winglets, Mr Stafford explained.

    In 2006, CAL first looked at installing the winglets but the company from which they lease all of their 737-300s, International Lease Finance Corporation, would not agree to a cost-sharing program, so the plan was dropped.

    CAL recently received an emergency injection of $4 million from the Cayman Islands Government to cover a fuel-price-induced cost overrun. Global energy experts do not foresee an end to the rising prices any time soon.

    Mr Brown said that winglets in effect take some of the burden off engines, which cost millions to maintain. “[Winglets] improve the performance of the airplane; you can actually take off using a little less power, which means the engine runs a little cooler and that extends the life of the engine.”

    Aviation Partners Boeing estimates on their website that their winglets have saved more than a billion gallons of fuel. Mr Stafford estimates that on CAL’s New York to Grand Cayman route the carrier could save as much as 200 gallons of fuel per round trip flight.

    Over time, the devices could save CAL hundreds of thousands of dollars, depending on the total hours the planes fly and the distance of each flight.

    Aviation experts estimate that for planes equipped with winglets, shorter flights, such as the Grand Cayman to Kingston route, will save 2 percent to 3 percent on fuel usage, while longer flights - to New York, for example - will cut fuel consumption by 5 percent to 6 percent.

    Asked whether it is frustrating for CAL to be pulling in record revenue and still losing money, Mr Brown told Cayman Net News, “It’s a tough business, you know. We’ve made a lot of improvements but fuel [prices are] unfortunately eroding a lot of the savings we’ve made, but we just have to keep doing it.”



    When you feel tired, never stop..Keep climbing
    25 Leftcoaster : KX is also about to put their 3rd 737-300 into service (Finally, after a lengthy delay) and retire their remaining -200, which should help out with fu
    26 AA1818 : I just received a reply from the journalist who published that Caribbean Airlines started FLL with 787s. He said they are looking into printing a corr
    27 Captaink : Thanks for getting that cleared up, Becuase reading the article, I ended thinking, but I haven't smoked in a long time, what is wrong with me. JAJAJA
    28 JM079 : Tourism and Aviation Ministers from the sub-region will meet in Antigua this week to discuss the latest crisis facing regional tourism, sparked by the
    29 Turk223 : So, Delta is reducing BGI service... Yet another feather in AA's cap. You would think that with a little advertising, perhaps Delta could do a bit bet
    30 SCL767 : Same with POS-ATL, no advertisements when service first started! DL JFK-GEO starts soon, I wonder if DL has been advertising in the NY and GEO areas?
    31 2travel2know : Even a twice weekly E190 PTY-BGI-PTY (best ron BGI) could work.
    32 SCL767 : Is BGI served by any Venezuelan carriers?
    33 A388 : Well I am still hoping CM will start PTY-CUR flights. It has still not happened but why not? A388
    34 Post contains links Caribbean484 : Quoting JM079 (Reply 28): Well, at least in times like this they can see the value in Air Jamaica and CAL. Even though I am peeved that regional carri
    35 Caribbean484 : Nope, if you want to you have to go the POS. This can be a good run for Copa, they reached POS before they have CUR.
    36 MIAMIx707 : When is Insel Air planning to fly to Miami? Didn't they get approval already? PS: What's interesting about that map of Cuba is that besides Havana and
    37 Speedbird2263 : Hear Hear!
    38 AA1818 : BGI is a premium tourist destination. Perhaps the authorities in BGI feel that South/ Central America does not provide a large enough wealthy base in
    39 A388 : No date has been given yet. A388
    40 BWIA 772 : It was a pretty thorough analysis compared to what was posted earlier. Chinese tourism issue was the one of the many issues discussed when the new BG
    41 Captaink : Latin America while it tends to have a serious problem in the distribution of wealth, the majority aren't poor countries, Argentina, Chile, Panama, M
    42 A388 : China, okay, I also think that is far fetched but Russia I can imagine. I think Russia is one of the next emerging markets and they also have one of
    43 SCL767 : One of the major problems hindering Latin Americans from travelling to the English-speaking Caribbean is the fact that Spanish is not widely spoken.
    44 Captaink : It is the same barrier that hinders better trade agreements and relations in general between Latin America and the English speaking Caribbean.
    45 Post contains links JM079 : As a follow up to this posting by MAH4546 dismissing the report that AA will be cutting back service to the caribbean and claiming that a reporter has
    46 MAH4546 : I stand by what I said. What we have is a chain of news departments all getting the same story from falsified quotes. CEO Gerald Arpey has said absol
    47 A388 : CUR also sees more flights from South America due to the fact that we also speak the Spanish language. A388
    48 2travel2know : The Latinamerican leisure traffic to the non-Spanish-speaking islands is a very niche type of traffic. Jamaica, St Maarten, St Lucia, Barbados, Antigu
    49 Post contains links SCL767 : And this is why most of these passengers usually fly on AA (connecting in MIA) to these niche markets. On another note, it appears BA is doing well a
    50 Post contains links MAH4546 : Miami Herald has a report on the real Caribbean cuts. Not the BS being reported by sub-par Caribbean news services. http://www.miamiherald.com/news/br
    51 SCL767 : I saw this one coming as the ATR's are poorly utilized and can be deployed elsewhere. I guess they'll be at DFW by fall.
    52 Post contains images MAH4546 : Plus, it will allow more flying via Miami. The plan is to connect Miami to every capable Caribbean destination with mainline service within two years
    53 Post contains links AA1818 : According to the CIA world factbook GDP per capita PPP USD Argentina 13,000 Barbados 19,700 Brazil 9,700 Chile 14,400 Panama 9,000 People's Republic
    54 MAH4546 : No. It will likely remain at 1x daily.
    55 2travel2know : Domestic travel in Brazil is very expensive, average wealthy Brazilians (SAO, RIO, CNF, CWB, BSB, POA) would rather spend their over-valuated Reais t
    56 SCL767 : They already serve the Spanish-speaking Greater Antilles. I think if LAN wanted to expand in the region they would do so in Central America. Besides,
    57 LIA310 : Saw on the news tonight here in Tnt that CAL is now ETOPS 120 certified thus reducing the flying time to JFK and YYZ by 10 mins. CAL now has the highe
    58 AA1818 : I don't think it's really fair to say that they don't see Brazil as a source of tourists. 1) From Caribbean Airline's standpoint, they don't fly ANY
    59 AA1818 : Fantastic news. Great to see CAL progressing from strength to strength. Bring on regional fleet renewal...and more 737s! hehehe Proud Trini. AA1818
    60 Caribbean484 : AA181 nice points but as I have said many times we can do more to strengthen ties to our neighbors in the south. The argument is always because they
    61 SCL767 : Didn't BW try POS-SDQ, POS-HAV, and POS-SJO? How did they preform?
    62 Captaink : Does Executive Airlines currently fly outside of the South Florida/Caribbean zone? Per capita is not really the way to look at these countries becaus
    63 Post contains links SCL767 : Quoting Captaink (Reply 62): Does Executive Airlines currently fly outside of the South Florida/Caribbean zone? They are based at SJU, their primary h
    64 BWIA 772 : This is already done LI 771 actually does ANU SLU BGI POS CUR while the return leg 772 does CUR POS BGI. Airlines usually fly to destinations on whic
    65 Post contains links and images A388 : True, while we still don't have (charter) flights from Brazil to CUR, CUR is known among Brazilians, so is AUA. JJ used to fly charters to AUA in the
    66 SCL767 : CUR is even known by many Argentinians and Chileans!
    67 SCL767 : Really? I guess they'll have to fly from Russia and China to BGI via YYZ, JFK, and LON; and Brazil via YYZ, MIA or JFK. This will definately woe thes
    68 A388 : That is news to me, but good news though. Let's hope for something to happen here as well. A388
    69 Bw415 : Joke of the day : In the Trinidad Express today they printed the correction for the last article with 787 mistake. Great right! Well today being Wedne
    70 2travel2know : AA no longer flies SJU-BGI, thought you forgot them. And SJU still is a world class hub (sort of). Caribbean's B737 don't have the range to fly POS-G
    71 Bw415 : I was not refering to range but rather the over capacity of 160 seats. An E jet is far more suitable.
    72 SCL767 : Does SJU have any flights to Europe?
    73 A388 : MAD operated by IB and charter flights to the U.K. on Thomsonfly. A388
    74 SCL767 : Thanks. What's IB's frequency out of SJU? And does KL fly to PBM still?
    75 2travel2know : I don't think an E190 can make it POS-GRU, much less POS-EZE. POS-SSA/REC/FOR or POS-BSB maybe, but that's not where the bulk of the Brazilian market
    76 Captaink : Why does CAL or LIAT need to get the airplane for Latin America? Latin America also has its own airlines, LAN, COPA etc? In fact COPA is trying to ex
    77 Bw415 : GRU can be accommodated by the 190 LR... EZE is out of the question.. no market for it anyways for POS and even BGI. Brazil is a stretch and Argentin
    78 Captaink : I was thinking of places like Mexico City, Buenos Aires, Santiago de Chile, Sao Paulo, Rio de Janeiro, not just Caracas and it's neighbours, although
    79 2travel2know : With the demand for international flights out of CCS, I'm surprised Caribbean has not used their precious B737-800 on that route yet. Caribbean strat
    80 SCL767 : I can see BW doing POS-CCS at least 12X (Dash-8) weekly in the near future if more demand picks up and also because AC has split their YYZ-CCS and YY
    81 AA1818 : More conservatively, i'll predict 10x weekly Dash8 soonish. It would not suprise me to see CCS regularly on with a 737 in 2009 though. Just to chip i
    82 SCL767 : I asked in a previous post, how did BW do at SDQ, HAV, and SJO?
    83 Inbound : Poorly. All those flights were throughout the night, and passenger loads were less than a dozen at times. They were however, political routes that we
    84 SCL767 : Thanks, Inbound. I could see POS-CCS-POS 7x (Dash-8) weekly and 2x (737) weekly to pick up on the cargo between POS and CCS working. I think BW can m
    85 AA1818 : Any word on if they are lookig into new a/c? Yip, I think I mentioned this a couple of months ago (and was met with some doubts!). IAD was never a hu
    86 LIA310 : KL still flies to PBM. I think they use a 744. CAL are in fact starting flights to SLU. The SLU flight would be a daily service and Depart POS at 14:
    87 HummingBird : Guyana gets three more airlines on board GEORGETOWN, Guyana, May 28, 2008 - Guyana's efforts to increase air service to and from the country has reape
    88 SCL767 : I was wondering if they used the 777 because I've seen photos of them at PBM; their equipment on the route probably changes with demand. Interesting
    89 AA1818 : When are CAL starting SLU? Great to have SLU added officially(?). The BA flight from LGW-UVF-POS will operate 4x weekly? and what will pax do the oth
    90 SCL767 : This routing reminds me of the triangular POS-BGI-GEO-POS route. I think BA is operating LGW-UVF-POS 3x weekly.
    91 AA1818 : Thanks for clarifying that. I wonder if CAL will continue the 4x codeshare via BGI on the other 4 days? Yea it does! CAL seems to like those triangul
    92 SCL767 : I think they use to do 3x weekly service with the 737 but that might have been discontinued, I'm not certain. Wonder if the next route announced is P
    93 LIA310 : I believe the launch of the SLU route will be the 1st of August and I do believe that the route will operate POS-SLU-BGI-SLU-POS CAL no longer has th
    94 Caribbean484 : I would say that they will use more Dash8s as the 737 have already commitments to medium haul routes. IAD would be a great tie for them since they mi
    95 AA1818 : Oooooh...that explains it. I thought it was POS-BGI-GEO-POS. Wrong assumption! hehe Can't seem to find anything loaded in to Amadeus yet. AA1818
    96 Wadadli : The BA LGW-UVF-POS-UVF-LGW will operate 3X weekly from Oct 28th 08. Tue, Thur, Sun. On the other days, pax will connect in BGI.
    97 2travel2know : If Caribbean isn't that interested in Star right now, would they save some money if they fly to BWI instead of IAD?
    98 Caribbean484 : Good point but I would think that they would more prefer to do IAD so that the cost involved with transfering airports will be taken into account. Co
    99 SCL767 : I believe in the past BW at IAD added their code to UA flights to BOS, ORD, DEN, SFO, and LAX.
    100 Caribbean484 : Yes they did, also when they could not fly to ATL because of POS CAA being downgraded they added ATL to it too.
    101 SCL767 : What was BW's schedule like out of IAD? When I lived in DC I used them once, remembering on the outbound that the flight was routed IAD-TAB-POS, and
    102 Caribbean484 : Well during the off peak season, it was 4 weekly, Tuesday, Friday and Satruday, POS-BGI-IAD. Then Thursdays POS-TAB-IAD. During the summer they had a
    103 9YCAL : Bwee had chosen 9Y-SLU as the next registration after 9Y-BGI but for some reason they bypassed it in favour of ANU, KIN and then GND. I think for the
    104 Post contains links and images Captaink : A little self gloss..... My only photo on here, was 9YGND operating POS/GND/POS the week it arrived in the region. I can't remember if it was the two
    105 Post contains links LIA310 : More news on CAL in today's papers in Tnt: CA lands new slot By Clint Chan Tack Thursday, May 29 2008 Even with skyrocketing fuel prices, flagging rev
    106 Beeweel15 : Any photos from this flight.
    107 BWIA330 : Hey, Does anyone know what happend with Zoom's 767-300 this morning from YYZ to KIN? I see they contacted Skyservice's A330-300 C-GVKI to do this rout
    108 WestIndian425 : Long hiatus again, I know. Such is life these days. George F. Charles Airport in Castries, St. Lucia (otherwise known as TLPC/SLU) might be able to ha
    109 HummingBird : Kuwait to help Nevis expand international airport BASSETERRE, St Kitts, May 29, 2008 - Kuwait has agreed to fund the expansion of the Nevis Internatio
    110 MAH4546 : Here's what to expect from AA this winter in the Caribbean: *Reduce Eagle flights from 55x to 33x daily. *End service from SJU to eight cities: MCO, F
    111 Caribbean484 : They use to land MD80s in the 90s there to NYC, it went like this BW426/427 POS-SLU-ANU-JFK daily, but from research a 738 will not be bale to land t
    112 SCL767 : Thanks for the update. Will MIA-POS remain 18x weekly, or will AA return to 2x daily?
    113 MAH4546 : The 18x weekly service was only for the summer season. No. The bulk of the cuts to the Caribbean will be on domestic flights to San Juan; internation
    114 Yellowtail : Same with ATL-BZE, same with ATL-MID and the list goes on and on...anyone see a pattern..some marketing person at DL is not doing their job and blami
    115 Caribbean484 : Yeah there is a pattern, DL does not like to advertise at all to their destinations and expect everyone to know who they are and where they fly. Cari
    116 Captaink : Many times it is more complicated than that. For instance US Airways had the same problem in GND. But the root of the matter was that they were expec
    117 HummingBird : I heard they have a billboard in NYC advertising the GEO service...... That was the reason JM moved to UVF.....Take-of from SLU caused excessive stre
    118 JM017 : They managed to land the MD's in SLU? How long did these flights last?
    119 Post contains links JM079 : On the subject of airport improvements across the regions it is being reported that SIA in MBJ has installed some state of the art baggage clearance s
    120 A388 : DL or any other U.S. airline do not care much about the local Caribbean markets. They cater to their own market which is the U.S. The local demand fr
    121 Captaink : Even so, in the case their was a lack of marketing in the US.
    122 A388 : Even if DL in this instance is also not promoting heavily in the U.S. the question is do they have to promote their destinations to the Caribbean (he
    123 2travel2know : The local demmand from The Caribbean to the U.S. is to New York/New Jersey, Miami (Southeast Florida) and maybe, just maybe, niche business and V.F:R:
    124 Captaink : Well obviously they didn't in the case of the islands that failed. Marketing wasn't done, after a while the flight was dropped. In the case of US and
    125 HummingBird : Am not sure, but it was short-lived... Truly world class.......... The majority of the passengers are package inclusive....Most packages are sold thr
    126 A388 : I find it hard to believe that an airline is flying to a certain destination without doing some form of advertising, either through their own website
    127 SCL767 : For example, If you pick up a Trinidad Express or the Jamaican Observer, you will notice adds from their respective carriers and of course AA! Also,
    128 A388 : Again my question remains, do they really need to promote in POS or any other island in the Caribbean while their main market is the U.S. where most
    129 SCL767 : Yes they do, VFR/connecting traffic fills the back of the plane. By promoting in Trinidad and other islands locally, locals will spread the word, eve
    130 A388 : I know what you mean but do you really believe an airline with a few hundred aircraft operating from one of the largest markets in the world is waiti
    131 HummingBird : I cannot speak for all the islands, but will give an insight to how these flights operate......The local Tourist Board job is to promote the island i
    132 SCL767 : e.g. DL starting GEO, AA FLL-KIN, NK entering POS. I understand your point, but every island is a different market in itself. Take PLS, PAP, POS, AUA
    133 A388 : This is what I am trying to get at. It's a joint efford towards the U.S. market when it comes down to promoting a route because this is where the mon
    134 SJOtoLIR : IB SJU-MAD is operating 5x weekly regularly. KL AMS-PBM is available 3x weekly. . They're properly connecting most destinations from Central and Sout
    135 AA1818 : Small correction- Continental DID advertise in POS. No longer needs to. Weeks before they started IAH (and EWR) they ran multiple full page ads in th
    136 HummingBird : The VFR market is a sensitive marketing strategy........Most airlines will aim for VFR traffic due to revenue from seats and cargo.....In most cases,
    137 SCL767 : Thanks for the clarification. AA FLL-KIN starts June 1st replacing FLL-SDQ.
    138 SCL767 : Yeah, I remember seeing small ads in the Express for CO, but you have to admit IAH-POS was a win-win situation for CO; whereas EWR-POS is doing poorl
    139 BWIA 772 : DL has just been a bit weird about the Caribbean ops whether they are serious are not remains an open question IMO. As for CO they dont have to they
    140 WestIndian425 : He took my answer. Yeah, I remember! The selling point was that there was no need to travel to Vieux Fort anymore since Vigie (now called George F. C
    141 Post contains links Caribbean484 : Hey guys AA will cut more flight to the region JFK-UVF will be cut completely from september till Late November. JFK-AUA 4 weekly from daily(maybe the
    142 Caribbean484 : Aruba is the first Caribbean Island to have selfservice
    143 HummingBird : Chastanet will not be a happy soldier........I thought JFK-UVF was a year round service..........too bad for their concessions..........
    144 Caribbean484 : He already is not a happy camper, not they way things are going. Concessions can only guarantee so much and now he would have to lie in the bed he ma
    145 Post contains images BWIA 772 : However when AA does advertise its usually a big success UVF being cut may be new but I am sure the rest are all part of AA usual post summer slow dow
    146 Caribbean484 : I'm pretty sure of that too. Lol, one more big mouth will be down, all talk and no credentials to show for it.
    147 HummingBird : His "big boss" ( BS) will be at his support....you would not believe how much influence this man has in the Caribbean..... I hope BW will take advant
    148 MAH4546 : To note, these are all part of the usual fall slow downs that happen every year and have been in the timetables for a few weeks now. They have nothin
    149 HummingBird : I guess we have the gift of prophecy.........Speaking of the man who loves to blow his horn aloud........... Government has no option but to divest A
    150 LIA310 : CAL is starting flights to GND effective July 4th using the Dash 8's. No more info at this time.
    151 AA1818 : YAY- 2008 major expansion for CAL! FLL, CCS, GND, SLU...hopefully we'll see CUR soon! AA1818
    152 Captaink : How nice of them to help out LIAT and reduce fares. LIAT had a field day in the absence of competition. I wonder if they would be hiring the old BW s
    153 SCL767 : This is great news! Also hoping for CUR, next.
    154 A388 : That sure will be good news for me as I like the Caribbean Airlines liveries A388
    155 Inbound : speaking of which, I think 9Y-WIN should be rolling out in a few days. Looks nice and shiny with it's new livery. I didn't get a good look at the tai
    156 Post contains links JM079 : There is a report appearing in one of the online newsreel plus available in another newspaper online in which some details of the effort to divestment
    157 Post contains links BWIA 772 : So 2 days before DL starts its direct service to GEO DL announced that it has cut its commission rates to travel agents in GEO also LI has cut rates a
    158 HummingBird : Strategy found to handle energy crisis impact on tourism Fri, 30 May 2008 11:14:00 ST JOHN’S, Antigua, CMC - Caribbean tourism ministers say they ha
    159 A388 : I hope one of the surprises will be nonstop flights to CUR (so far still a far away dream) A388
    160 Post contains links AirJamaica : This article was in Friday Observer Business section. Butch Stewart did a great job where revamping Air Jamaica's image was concerned when he took con
    161 Captaink : Butch Stewart revamped the airline, put it on the map, got people including Jamaicans to trust and fly Air Jamaica. Without him the airline if in exis
    162 SCL767 : You might have to wait till Fall, but it might start earlier. Also heard that BW might be operating POS-SVD by the Fall too. Great to see BW expandin
    163 SCL767 : According to the Trinidad Express, Caribbean Airlines is seeing strong bookings for the summer season, and have increased POS-YYZ to 10x weekly. They
    164 A388 : I assume you mean for Caribbean residents in that area..... A388
    165 Speedbird2263 : I wonder if NMIA ever got around to installing the remaining 6 or so Jet-bridges at MKJP? I remember reading an article back in December that stated
    166 Post contains links SCL767 : Here's the link to the article: http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161331332
    167 AA1818 : Has JM stoped flying to BON, EWR and (was there another one?) I remember when they were announced, but I can't remember when the cessation was to be e
    168 Caribbean484 : IMO Butch Stewart did a job at JM no one has, he revamped the image of JM, marketed it to the world as one of the best service airlines, like BA, EK
    169 SCL767 : I believe JM services to UVF have discontinued.
    170 Caribbean484 : They have been since early March. Yes EWR has been stopped so too has BON.
    171 LIA310 : I read in another thread that American Eagle will be cutting the following flights: San Juan-Sint Maarten (ends September 3) San Juan-Antigua (ends Se
    172 JM079 : This issue is quite a sore point for alot of people who are evenly divided about his management of the airline and alot of it has to do with politic
    173 JM079 : On my last last visit through that airport they were in the process of installing them and when I travel there again at the end of June I will see th
    174 AirJamaica : I passed through MKJP twice last year ( June & Nov. ) and none of the bridges were being used. Some ( 3 or 4 I think ) was there but every one was st
    175 JM079 : The reason alot of people had and still has a problem is that JM was never totally owned by him or his cohorts as the government still had minority s
    176 HummingBird : Bajans still flying high WITH THE PRICE of fuel on the international market increasing each week, so too is the cost of airline travel. However, these
    177 Speedbird2263 : Roger that.
    178 A388 : Let's stay consistent in using the airport codes. IATA codes work much better. A388
    179 HummingBird : Will be going to FLL later in the evening to take some pics of CAL...........Am hoping the skies will stay clear.....
    180 AA1818 : Sweet...looking forward to seeing the pics. Last exam tomorrow and revision is not going well tonight- pics will definitely lift spirits! hehehe AA18
    181 9YCAL : 9Y-TAB will be operating BW480 today If I am not mistaken.
    182 9YCAL : With all the talk about regional expansion for CAL with the Dash 8s. I think they would definately need some more planes. I saw 9Y-WIN in the hanger b
    183 WestIndian425 : Wait...what you doing at TTPP with all that's going on with BA vs BW in the stadium today?
    184 9YCAL : Good one! The score so far BA = 3 / BW = 0
    185 LIA310 : Match just finished. BA wins 3-0.......LOL
    186 AA1818 : At least the Soca Warriors didn't embarass themselves tonight! Respectable game and was great to see Yorke playing! We need A LOT of work in defense t
    187 BWIA 772 : Second hand 400s will be more likely than the 300. Right now they arent any Q300s on the second hand market you may find some 300s but they would not
    188 Dominicl316 : These are American Airlines discontinued routes, not American Eagle. They will still be served on American Eagle, albeit with less frequencies.
    189 MAH4546 : No, they won't. American Eagle is only cutting two international routes from San Juan, Aruba and Samana. All those routes will still be flown at leas
    190 AA1818 : So simply capacity reductions (and obviously the shift from mainline to eagle which I don't see as being of great significance). I'm sure that this s
    191 MAH4546 : Not necessarily. The SJU-ANU/SXM mainline flight has always been a steady profit makers on mainline (though fuel has doubled, and I don't know if tha
    192 Post contains links and images HummingBird : Just returned from FLL.... Arrival and departure is from Terminal 4 ( International terminal) CAL's check-in area is the last 4 counters next to NK's
    193 Captaink : Nice pics.. been a while since I have been through FLL, seems like not much has changed though. I can't identify that colourful tail next to the Spir
    194 Caribbean484 : Thats NK. Nice one Hummingbird. FLL will be going through some major redevelopment within the next 4 years, rwy 9r/27l will be extended and widen to
    195 MAH4546 : Nothing could be further from the truth when it comes to international travel. FLL is a mess. Way too small, and it the immigration facility can't ha
    196 SCL767 : So true, thank god MIA Concourse A closed down. One of the reasons that I would never try NK at FLL is that I've seen and heard, since I usually fly
    197 Caribbean484 : Yep, FLL is a mess but we are trying to fix it as much as the county board allows. AA's terminals in MIA, the north is a corruption mess and the faul
    198 SCL767 : I think AA has a heavy hand in this, not so much Miami-Dade County. At NK's terminal, things will definately get worse as the summer season swings in
    199 HummingBird : [ Thanks.... Nothing is more exciting than watching the approach to runway 13.... I had the same experience at MIA, 2 hours waiting for an egotistical
    200 SCL767 : Most of the immigration officers I've had at MIA we're laid back (I agree that there are a few who are just horrendous, but I'm sure that exists at e
    201 Post contains images HummingBird : Delta flies in to CARIFESTA X welcome By Tajeram Mohabir AIRLINE giant, Delta Air Lines Inc. made its inaugural flight into the Cheddi Jagan Internati
    202 SCL767 : Great to see DL increasing JFK-GEO to 5x weekly. Also, I hope by year's end we'll see AA flying MIA-GEO.
    203 AirJamaica : ( Laugh ) Good one HummingBird. Never used FLL before....only accompanied a girlfriend to that airport whose mom was flying from there when I was in
    204 JM079 : WOW, I am not looking forward to meeting anyone of those immigration people. I heard horrible things about these people mannerism and I guess a cours
    205 SCL767 : Try YUL, I could not believe the kind of questions that were being asked of me, and the officer was an absolute bully. Never experienced an Immigrati
    206 Post contains links and images OA260 : Great to see DL in GEO.
    207 HummingBird : The GEO JFK will definately be a winner for DL.....Excluding Travelspan, the yields on the route should be satisfactory..... Am sure AA will be given
    208 Caymanair : I clearly have been visiting the wrong immigration officers, because Ive never had a nice one.
    209 MAH4546 : And I've never had one that wasn't courteous. All these things are purely anecdotal.
    210 Post contains links Caribbean484 : hey guys part 37 is up and running. Part 37
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