Spacepope From Vatican City State (Holy See), joined Dec 1999, 1845 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 82342 times:
With a little duct tape and Bondo, Connie will have that bird flying again in no time!
BmiBaby737 From United Kingdom (England), joined Jun 2005, 1047 posts, RR: 15 Reply 8, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 82331 times:
Apperently this was N704CK, aborted take-off on flight CKS207 BRU-BAH
[Edited 2008-05-25 05:29:26]
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Scorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 4528 posts, RR: 49 Reply 14, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 81722 times:
Quoting Bwest (Reply 12): An eye witness (who was very happy being on tv)
LOL! Yeah that's what I was thinking too. Didn't bother really answering the questions either, just blabbing on about how people laugh at him for being a spotter and what a 'dangerous' hobby it is.
Quoting Bwest (Reply 12): so I guess 02/20 was in use
Yup, the plane is at the end of runway 20, close to the railway track.
LHRjc From United Kingdom (England), joined Apr 2006, 1874 posts, RR: 24 Reply 18, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 81246 times:
Pyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 2137 posts, RR: 16 Reply 23, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 80370 times:
That damage to the aircraft is amazing - I could see that happening in a landing above allowable vertical speed but on a runway overrun? It seems like the fuselage buckled and then snapped but I don't see how the (horizontal) force of a mere hard braking could do that.
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Jwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10017 posts, RR: 27 Reply 24, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 80350 times:
probably metal fatigue.
A fatigue crack in the wrong place doesn't need much to grow explosively.
If it was indeed an aborted takeoff, the hard braking would put quite a lot of stress on the aircraft structure.
And the crack does seem to run from the bottom just aft of the wing, forward to the top of the fuselage, which could well be explained by very high stress on the rear of the wingbox during the emergency braking.
OMA2FAI2SAV From Netherlands, joined Jan 2006, 249 posts, RR: 1 Reply 25, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 80274 times:
Quoting NEMA (Reply 22): Any idea how many 747,s this company has or is this the only one?
Ive Seen one before at EMA
16 I do believe.
Jason in KBMI
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26 GlobeEx: I personally find it quite shocking, to say the least. This is no damage you would expect after an aborted takeoff run. Not even if some runways light
27 Bwest: On the other hand, we should cut the guy some slack... if a 747 just crashed next to me, I suppose I'd be a bit over exited as well I've read that th
28 PRAirbus: Funny it did not catch fire...one less trip to the scrap-yard...one less old 747 around.
29 GlobeEx: Put it rather that way. I find it "funny" that there is a damage to that extend in general. The must have been somthing wrong, either withe the cargo
30 KarlB737: Courtesy: CNN Kalitta Air B747 'Splits In Two' On Take Off http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe.../25/belgium.aircrash.ap/index.html
31 JRadier: What's up with the 'split in 2'? Looking at the angle of the tail it looks more like it's in 3 pieces rather than 2.
32 NCB: Am I the only one thinking that they may have taken the wrong runway and realised once it was too late? TORR for a B742 at MTOW is 3200m... runway is
33 Umfolozi: There's bound to be some spotter who's got the whole accident on video......we'll soon see.
34 SXDFC: Well Kalitta did get a much newer 747 BCF recently.... Any idea what tail number was this bird? Funny thing is I put on the news (10:13EST) and no one
35 LTBEWR: Is this a flight that is based at BRU or was it on a fuel stop/change cargos? Where was this a/c before BRU? I also find it very surprising that there
36 Flying Belgian: I'm sure this will be very polemical in Belgium. Where politicians dictate the use of the runways. not pilots or ATC. 02/20 is the shortest runway. No
37 Lexy: I'd rather have this fracture on the ground as opposed to 30,000 feet in the air. So, it could've been alot worse I suppose. Glad everyone made it out
38 Flying Belgian: N704CK Model ................... B747-209F Serial Number........ 22299 Yr. Manufactured..... 07-1980 FB.
40 Scorpio: The tower is close to the beginning of 20 and 25R. If the plane was on the wrong runway, they'd have told the pilots well before it got to the end of
42 Beaucaire: I think it was built in 1972.. http://www.airfleets.net/fr/ficheapp/plane-b747-20528.htm
43 Flying Belgian: Some more pictures: http://picture.belga.be/belgapicture...al/all/coverage/493759.html?page=2 Just came to a complete stop next or on the popular spot
44 EDDL: This is the correct site: http://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-b747-22299.htm
45 Scorpio: Some additional info, according to VRT news: -plane was on a diplomatic flight to Bahrein, with 76 tons of freight on board. Half of that freight was
46 NCB: Yes you're right... but would you take-off on 20 when 25R is under your nose? Also ATC have probably cleared quite some aircraft out of rwy 20 becaus
47 Tb727: Man it was a pretty good week too, the first -400 came online the other day too. Connie is probably pissed. Really glad the guys are ok, that is the m
48 Flying Belgian: " target=_blank>http://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/pl...9.htm It's a -09 Boeing customer code. So ex-China Airlines. Then it had its maiden flight in
49 Bwest: small picture of the esape chute being used (from De Standaard newspaper)
50 Avianca: well but why the crew accepted... I am sure the runway was within the needed and before calculated take-off run lengh... btw the old MUC RIEM airport
51 MSYtristar: Well, seems to me like there are a couple of ideas to think about. And since everyone got off safely, I see no harm in speculating... 1) Cargo not lo
52 SNbirdy: Hi, I'm just back from a little trip to the airport, took some pictures: Doesn't look good... Kenny
53 Zeke: Not that much at all, aircraft are fairly fragile designed to meet a very limited load limits mainly whilst airborne. Airports/runways are often surr
54 UPS757Pilot: There's nothing wrong with runway 2/20...9800 feet is more than plenty for a loaded 747-200. I seriously doubt they took off on the wrong runway, but
55 A390: No does not look good at all ! Good pictures Kenny. You can see a pallet of cargo through the split caused by the breakup !
56 JFK69: Is Kalitta the airline contracted by the US gov't to ferry home the bodies of the fallen?
57 NCB: Well, apparently it was not for this one... If you hear a banging noise before V1, you abort and stop within ASDA ( minus the appropriate margins
58 Spacepope: That's Kalitta Charters, a different arm of the company. They fly Falcon 20s domestically, usually picking up their cargo at Dover. That is one hell
59 OHLHD: That looks bad! Good that the crew came away save! I speculate that the severe damage was caused by metal fatigue.
60 Flying Belgian: @SNBirdy: very nice pictures Kenny !! How did you avoid the repressive Zaventem police ?? For sure the best pics so far. Groetjes, FB.
61 Bwest: I guess somebody has to say it: Anybody knows if Biman Bangladesh already contacted Kalitta?
63 FalconBird: Goodness gracious! Hope all is well. Any details on what happened?
64 Gearup: I wonder if the crew steered her off onto rough ground if they thought they might not stop in time during an RTO. If the gear went into a ditch, the s
65 Bwest: Some more video from the BBC http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7419280.stm
66 Tb727: That's the funniest thing I have read all day! Nope. Different Kalitta company, different Kalitta owner.
67 BravoGolf: How much damage to the approach lighting and other navaids? Looks like the left wing has damaged some light towers.
68 Nijltje: Mmmm my daily jogging route is passing just across that fence. Well this 747 is regular taking off from RW20 so definitely no mistake. To be honest I
69 Cyclonic: INot jumping to conclusions, but didn't Kalitta have an engine fall off one of their birds a while back?
70 Airbuster: Beats the saudi one we had a few years back big time!!! cracks aren't in the same places........i personally think Connie should get a big fleet face
71 SNbirdy: @Flying Belgian: I first went to the cemetery of Nossegem. I saw lots of people standing there, and you could see the crashed plane from here. I then
72 CFMitch56: Can anyone tell what the tail seems to have landed on to bend/break it up the way it is? Is there something underneath it, or is it just turned on the
73 ER757: Great shots SNbirdy - thanks for sharing! Really fortunate there was no fire - could have been a lot worse. Glad crew is OK.
74 Edoca: Lol - yeah we have traffic signs for everything in Belgium... I'd say another lucky thing (next to crew being safe) is the amazing fact that airport
75 YWG747: Holy wow! I just read about this. That is one weird break. Thank god no was killed.
76 Beaucaire: That was the same plane in 2004... http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=274508
77 OMA2FAI2SAV: Aircraft came into EBBR from KJFK. CKS 207 flies KJFK-EBBR-OBBI-OMDB brfore doing the opposite route, with KEWR added on the end (OMDB-OBBI-EBBR-KJFK
78 SeaBosDca: Not the same plane. That was N709CK, a 741 (cn 159). This is N704CK (cn 462).
79 Delta777Jet: After seeing this pictures TWA 800 comes to my mind. Imagine something like this happens in flight during some kind of climb or turning maneuver with
80 MSYtristar: IIRC, TW800's nose section/upper deck broke off slightly forward of the wing. This looks to be over the wing.
81 Delta777Jet: Seems to be the same area then, however I must admit I'm not a aircraft designer or engineer.
82 Toast: Amazing that a fuel-laden 747 could break that way and not explode. The BS will certainly start hitting the fan first thing Monday. Am I seeing things
83 SQ452: If you read the story from CNN.com below, they reference runway "220" http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/eu.../25/belgium.aircrash.ap/index.html Got to
84 JGPH1A: Unless... they forgot to load the fuel in the first place, which might have cause the problem ! Oooh. (It's fun playing armchair AAIB, isn't it ?)
85 Baron52ta: It actually broke in 3 it snapped before and aft of the mains Also the full fuel is more likely why it didn't explode as it is vapour in the tanks th
86 Baw716: Sounds about right to me...a fatigue crack, a MTOW takeoff from a short runway aborted and overrun. All it would take is one really good bump to crac
87 2H4: Give the media a break. They're still coping with the fact that no lives were lost. 2H4
88 Bushman: On the photo here http://portfolio.lesoir.be/main.php?g2_itemId=192636 rising smoke is seen. Seems like there was a small fire but not big enough to i
89 EMBQA: I read the crew was OK.... I have a friend that is an FO with them. Not sure where he is right now, but I tried calling and got his voice mail.
90 B747forever: That looks really bad. However thanks for the pics
91 Lufthansa747: This was a -209F from CI, they had a 209B simply fall apart a few years ago...
92 PITrules: Um, the aircraft left hardened airport surfaces at possibly a high rate of speed, and entered soft potentially uneven terrain which most likely conta
93 Point8six: According to the data I have, N704CK is a B747-100F, registered in May 1972 to JAL and then to Kitty Hawk, which was in turn incorporated into Kalitta
94 Edoca: a few more "facts" from the TV news... I'm just going to summarize what I saw... - first office allegedly heard two loud "bangs" and lost power after
95 Acabgd: I suspect the smoke you see is actually coming from the chimney of the house on the photo.
96 Scorpio: According to a news source here, the crew heard not one, but two loud bangs, after which the plane lost power...
97 Tdscanuck: Yep. Either loading above ultimate load or fatigue cracking beyond what the airframe would have if properly inspected. With intact structure, 50% mor
98 Jhooper: I would imagine there was no fuel loaded in the center (fuselage) fuel tank. With fuel loads under about 230K, all the fuel is kept in the wing tanks
99 PITrules: And that's some excellent ammo for the airlines and airports to use when combating the NIMBYs and environmental extremists.
100 FalconBird: Stress/fatigue crack with heavy payload and an aborted takeoff can cause such to break up.
101 OceansWorld: There has been two B747 registered N704CK, this one and this one. The former was last operated by Kitty Hawk and was according to Airlinerlist perman
102 GCT64: That was a previous N704CK. In 2003 a "new" N704CK took up the same registration, a -209F (ex B-18752) as described by a number of people above.
103 BuyantUkhaa: which may be a good reason to cover it in order to create an overrun area. The next plane may not be so lucky...
104 Xtoler: Kallita has quite a few 747's, and aren't they upgrading to 400's? I never had the pleasure to work with them in my MAC days, but I used to see the ai
105 Boeing777/747: Just came back from the scene. Nice colour combo, sadly the plane is a 'write off'!
106 Bushman: Maybe you're right. Anyway thanks God everyone is safe on the plane and on the ground.
108 Flighty: You know what causes stress fractures, dragging your nose gear thru 24 inch thick mud under heavy braking, at 100 knots. That's what causes stress fra
109 Fritzi: Not really, stress fractures occur when a force is exerted upon a material many times (ex. landing cycles). That aircraft was hammered by brute force
110 EMBQA: That and about 100,000lbs of cargo not want to stop as quick as the rest of the plane........
111 PGNCS: PITRules makes a very important point: airliners aren't designed to be offroad vehicles (aircraft with gravel kits being a minor and irrelevant excep
113 CosmicCruiser: looks like a good sized vertical moment would be caused from the nose gear dropping down that steep slope.
114 Gosimeon: Wow, glad that there were no major injuries. Amazing pictures guys. Just imagine the face on the pilot when he looked out to see where the bang came f
116 BMIFlyer: Dang!! Good job everyone got out ok, sorry about the bird tho.
117 KarlB737: Courtesy: Fox News Seven more photos. Some we've seen. Some we haven't. Especially note the closeup of the nose section provided on the first one that
118 EMBQA: Have they released the names of the crew..? I have a friend that flies for them and I think he's on a trip as he didn't answer his cell when I called
119 PITrules: After reading some posts insisting it was metal fatigue and/or poor maintenance, I wanted to provide an example of similar type of damage where metal
120 Cpd: Truly amazing that it didn't explode into a huge fireball. The damage isn't surprising though, running a plane off the runway tends to cause this type
121 727forever: Agreed, except your weight is 800,000 lbs. 727forever
122 1821: That's a HUUUUGGGGGEEEEE impact. How on earth can that happen? Hard landing perhaps. Praise be to God that every1 is ok.
123 Jhooper: No, I don't believe so. Probably worked the same as every other military contract--who is the lowest bidder? Besides, the C-5 is better suited to ove
124 CosmicCruiser: let's hope he may have been near V1 not Vr when he slammed on the BRAKES and as 727forever said way over 200,000lbs.
125 EMBQA: Can you send me a private IM... as I said, I might know the FO ( TJ ) as well.... help me clear my mind Yes.. I knew I did the typo, but lost the edi
127 Scbriml: Huh? A plane, regardless of its age, is not designed to be "driven" up a 12ft high blast barrier.
128 PITrules: Or off the end of a runway. You missed my point entirely: Perhaps if you quoted the entire paragraph instead of one sentence it wouldn't have been ta
129 Hmmmm...: I think the investigation will reveal that this was a stress fracture on a very old and abused work horse. Perhaps something was missed on a D-check.
130 Tb727: Come on armchair metallurgists! You guys are breaking my balls(and a lot of other peoples) with the fatigue crack statements. Everything has cracks,
131 NoUFO: Imagine that thing ran into a train. Glad that no-one was seriously hurt, and I can't wait for the summary of the investigation into this case.
132 Jhooper: Rather conclusive, wouldn't you say, at this stage of the game?
133 N27UADIESEL8: Wow.......kudos to the crew since this could have ended worse that that. I don´t want speculate but i see 3 posible things that went wrong: 1. Overlo
134 Ikramerica: Just for reference, a LANDING A340 of AF cracked up and caught fire going off the runway over less difficult terrain. Planes are not designed to boun
135 RFields5421: Not to pick on you personally - but how about this reason for the breakup: 1. Going off the runway into a drop of 15-20 feet into a ditch The plane b
136 Sfomb67: Stress crack, fatigue crack......could be . But these things tend to break apart at production joints, thus the fairly clean circular breaks. World ra
137 Tdscanuck: Because it's fun. That's why we're all on this board anyway. And not all of it is pointless, uninformed, or ignorant. Why? The fuel tanks didn't rupt
138 6thfreedom: was the aircraft a B747-100 or 747-200?? Looks like a B747SP now!
139 Francoflier: Yes, they very much are... They are designed to take on amazing level of stress, both from constant pressure differential variations and heavy turbul
140 JetMech: I'd say that was mainly due to the design of Airbus wing landing gears. Airbus bolt these in very firmly against the rear spar, so when they do go, t
141 Tribird1011: Not sure how (effectively) falling into a ditch is less difficult terrain, compared to what looks like a fairly level run off area (granted not smoot
142 MilesDependent: We did pretty well this time. 112 replies until the usual suspects come out with the "don't speculate - it's wrong - let's just say nothing until the
143 Tb727: Thank you, some sense! That is it I am pretty sure. I am sure we have all seen this video, but you can bet that this accident looked just like this w
144 JohnKrist: Don't understand why some people get so hostile over the fatigue theory in here, are you an expert that can say for sure it wasn't? If not I'd say let
145 JohnKrist: Mmmm, and what about the structural damage on that one? Pretty much intact, so the relevance to the damage on the Kalitta?
146 Wjcandee: Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Military cargo goes on Civil Reserve Air Fleet members, if not on organic military lift. There is a long-range international car
147 HAWK21M: The Areas in which the Aircraft has cracked is odd. Anyone aware of the History of this Aircraft. Did it encounter an obstruction just after going off
148 Ikramerica: You obviously haven't looked at all the crash photos.
149 Bwest: In the mean time, the different nimby groups have issued some statements. They declare that this was an accident just waiting to happen, because of th
150 Jhooper: I was talking about Lockheed winning the CX-HLS contract to build the C-5, beating Boeing and Douglas. Respective bids: Boeing - $2.3B Douglas - $2.0
151 727forever: After reading many replies, I have to ask the "fatigue" proponents a few questions. If the captain heard a large "boom" noise and decided to reject th
152 ComairGuyCVG: I would have to say...I do think the breakup happened after the aircraft went over the edge of the runway. http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1357474/
153 JohnKrist: I agree, as I wrote above that if it had broken like that on the take off it would have looked different, still you can't say that it wasn't somethin
155 Edoca: mail (among which diplomatic mail now allegedly guarded by US security personnel), general cargo (nothing harmful) and I also heard/read there was a
156 Qantas744ER: Kallita pilot over at PPRUNE mentioned cargo shifting on rotation causing a very hard tailstike. Leo
157 NWALAS: CAN YOU PASS ANOTHER ROLL OF SPEED TAPE PLEASE!!!!!! NWALAS
158 Spotterke: Is the NTSB going to investigate this case?
159 JBirdAV8r: I really doubt that theory. Really. The aircraft doesn't pull 3 g's when it stops...the acceleration on a RTO can't be an "extreme" stress on the win
160 NA: If it would have been a fatigue crack during the roll, the parts of the aircraft wouldn´t be this close together. The surface past the runway seems t
161 Mandala499: Assuming this was the correct METAR at the time: METAR EBBR 251250Z 14006KT 110V190 9999 FEW031 21/14 Q1012 NOSIG= Using 20R would give: 02KT headwind
162 Davescj: Couple questions form the peanut gallery: What does V1 mean? (as opposed to V2, which was mentioned in an earlier post)? What is the average point of
163 Ourboeing: Aren't majority of the Kalitta 747s old as dirt? I used to see their 747-1x at PHX every once in a while and it was in a pathetic shape. I personally
164 Cpd: V1 is the go speed, for when you are committed to a takeoff. I don't know about a 747-200 V1, but a Concorde V1 is probably 155-160kts, I'd guess the
165 OURBOEING: Both. It was definitely dirty and also used to spend a lot of time just sitting there. I am talking weeks. This is back in the late 90s/early 2000s w
166 NCB: Yes, they could have chosen 07L if they wanted, assuming 140/06kts and that is a shorter taxi than to 20/25R from the cargo apron. But wind was varia
167 QF744ER: Wouldn't be the first time a current/ex China Airlines B747-200 has been lost due to metal fatigue if that is the reason behind this incident.
168 Beaucaire: Eventually Kalitta management will not be so unhappy about the accident,considering no casualties and an assurance write-off. ( provided they were on-
169 LTBEWR: Real investigators - not us amateurs here - will not try to narrow too much as to what happened here, like focusing on 'fatigue' issues as many here a
170 1821: Hi all i don't know much about aviation so forgive me if this post sounds a little silly. I am learning on a daily basis though lol. Does the NTSB hav
171 JoeCattoli: Glad all are safe... First thing I thought was it looks an awful lot like the sinking of the titanic... Ciao Joe
172 FVTu134: Actually the NTSB is involved as it is a US registered aircraft. The lead is by Belgian CAA, with participants from NTSB and Boeing (manufacturers are
173 N917ME: I see the Kalitta 747's all the time at KDOV.
174 RFields5421: The NTSB is an agency of the US government. There is no international accident investigation body. Each country where an accident happens has total c
175 SASDC8: I totally agree with you on that one! A/C broke up after hitting the ground off the rwy threshold.. Stein
176 JFKTOWERFAN: What happens now with the cargo? Is it salvaged right there where it sits or do they load up the aircraft and move it so the runway can be returned to
177 Nitrohelper: Having spent time with Conrad over the last 30+ years, your comment brought a big smile. I'm sure we have heard all those words at some time, but pro
178 Isitsafenow: Thank you for your post.........most interesting study of photos here. safe
179 Nijltje: Just spoke to a friend policeman and indeed 12 US agents are in charge of the security of the diplomatic post. They confirmed no ammunition/explosives
180 Tdscanuck: At this stage of the investigation, that probably isn't a good wager. You only ground a fleet if you know that the accident was caused by something t
181 JetJeanes: Im wondering if she was loaded backwards compared to the load sheet therefore was nose heavy and close to vr wouldnt come up. It has happened. Kaletta
182 Umfolozi: So here is the video, although you can't see the actual crash:
183 Yellowstone: I was flying through EWR yesterday, and was watching CNN on the overhead monitors in the gate waiting area. They showed about 2 seconds of the segment
184 Ikramerica: Taking video but not paying attention. And laughing. Weird.
185 NCB: The guy says "t as prit la flamme?" which means: "have you caught the flame on the camera?" which brings us back to the engine failure theory. Amazing
186 Wjcandee: As someone mentioned before, YOU go tell Connie that to his face. See what happens.
187 HaveBlue: Glad the crew made it okay. My roommate flew for Kalitta just 2 years ago, he's now with a different carrier.
188 Jhooper: Those guys (taking the video) can kiss my a$$; what the hell is so damn funny?
189 Jhooper: Is that why Kalitta recently won the FAA's Diamond Award for excellence in maintenance training?
190 EMBQA: That award has nothing to do with the quality of maintenance, only the amount of training offered to employees....but yes I'm getting VERY tired of a
191 Jhooper: A panel of officers actually recommended the Boeing as a superior design, but DOD went with the lower pricetag. I wonder whether Boeing could have sa
192 Hammer: that video looks fake----it could be any Kalitta flight with kids laughing...no proof that it is from BRU...
193 Jhooper: There's another cheesy Youtube video out there that some guy created on Flight Simulator. Tool needs to get a life.
194 Alessandro: Anyone got the cycles and hours of this aircraft?
195 Ikramerica: It kept cutting out. I thought it was the video, but maybe it was my connection. But I just hear them laughing, and can't make out what they are sayi
196 Knid: That could make it rather interesting, the only semi-legal way to inspect the diplomatic bags is to accidentally drop them and hope that they open, a
197 Tb727: I just saw him driving down the road at the airport an hour or so ago, I gave him a friendly wave and a wide berth. Don't get on his bad side. Even a
198 727forever: A compressor stall would definately be heard regardless of where the engines are mounted. In the 727 it was most usually the #2 engine that would sta
199 Spitfire: Same for me concerning the "noises". I confirm what NCB wrote (reply 198), one of the guy said "T'as vu la flamme ?" which can be translated by "Did
200 ComairGuyCVG: It's airport elevation. Altitude refers to the height a craft is in the air, up off the ground
201 FlyboyOz: Well... I remember China Airlines B747-200 took off from Taipei to Hong Kong (few months later after TWA 800 accident). Then it disappeared in the air
202 XT6Wagon: The 747 was not a part of the development program/contest that resulted with the C5 winning. No designs, materials, staff, etc were transferred from
203 N27UADIESEL8: Hi all: You will be surprised at the strict security that the Dept. of State, uses when it ships diplomatic courier bags. Where I currently work, we
204 NCB: The lay-out of the tower with forests matches up with BRU. This is the position from where they were filming: Grotere kaart weergeven (Press F5 if you
205 JetMech: Perhaps it also has something to do with how the Body Landing Gear's (BLG's) are mounted in a 747? The vertical loads from the BLG's are taken by fit
206 NA: That must have been the case, and photos prove it. Again, look at the photo in reply 135, there you will see that the 742F went down a several meters
207 Iwok: It almost looks to me like it did in fact lift off and then had hard landing on an RTO. Not sure why this would happen, unless there was a structural
208 JRadier: Not really if there is US diplomatic mail on board....
210 Luchtzak: Pictures from another view: http://www.luchtzak.be/forums/viewto...7&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=160#p225666
211 Gr8Circle: That's why the news is titled "Breaking News!"
212 Edoca: All the latest is on the Luchtzak forum. This morning trains are using the Leuven-Airport rail link again, and the sight is quite scary from onboard b
213 JoseKMLB: they had an angel on there shoulders
214 Larshjort: Good that nobody got killed in that accident. If they knew they would run out of runway why didn't they takeoff and then return to the airport /Lars
215 JoseKMLB: maybe the crew thought it would be safer to drop it right there then stall out over the city and crash in town and killing people on the groud??
216 Apuneger: If the flight crew was 100% sure the aircraft would not take off after encountered their problems well after V1, or would not be able to stay in the
217 Hypersonic: So lucky that it was a cargo aircraft. If that had been a passenger 747 you'd have had serious injuries &/or fatalities where the fuselage sliced up.
218 HdsAAmaint: After 35 years of working on airplanes, being an inspector, and going on numerous accident cleanups, I can tell you most likely the answer is months,
219 LuckyEddie: Have to point out that the Fine Air and Emery DC-8 crashes were NOT load shift! a lot of people speculated immediately after the accidents that this
220 Wjcandee: For what it's worth (and I think I am allowed to mention this), that site also now has a series of right-there-at-the-aircraft-and-on-the-ground phot
221 RFields5421: I was trolling through old CAB accident investigations the other day - back in the early 50's. Came across a 1952 TWA Lockheed Consetllation - L1049
222 SEPilot: Considering that both the C-5A and C-141 have had somewhat disappointing reliability records (to put it mildly) I would not be surprised. And the sam
223 Jhooper: Sure, the L-1011 was/is a great aircraft. But still, I wouldn't have called it the most reliable jet either.
224 NwaLAS: Okay.....to all of you who posted above me here............... PASS ANOTHER 1000 ROLLS OF SPEED TAPE PLEASE !!!!!!!! NWALAS
225 Starlionblue: Humans had nothing to do with the outcome?
226 Point8six: 2-engines out on one side is rarely, if ever, practised in the simulator ( it is not required for the RTO proficiency. Reverse idle on the 2 'good' en
227 JoseKMLB: Yes the pilots did a fine job, but all I was saying is that they were lucky not to hit the rail system and slide down and possibly hit a train.
228 Starlionblue: Lucky indeed. Sorry I pounced. There are always too many posting citing supernatural assistance when crashes happen.
229 PhilSquares: I beg to differ, it is practiced in the simulator. As well as a double engine failure on one side and a subsequent abort. Easiest way to simulate is
230 Jamesjoyce: I live not too far from that location and know it quite well. Had the plane just gone a few dozen meter further, it would have structurally cracked-u
231 JoseKMLB: No problem I work at a airport and I love talking with the pilots and watching the fine landings that they do in all kinds of weather or MTC problems
232 PhilSquares: Please don't quote things I never wrote. While I agree with your statement, I did not write that and frankly, I don't think luck had anything to do w
233 N27UADIESEL8: LuckyEddie: All of us do not work for the NTSB here in the States or the equivalent anywhere in the world, we are all here speculating what we all th
234 CosmicCruiser: I'm not sure I would say speculating on a cause as opposed to thinking up all sorts of scenerios that sound good. That's kind of silly to think it's
235 American 767: Hi everyone, I was in the United States when it happened. It happened just one day after I left. Before I left all aircraft were using RWY 02 for land
236 AustrianSimon: First report by the Belgian AAIU is out, details at: http://avherald.com/h?article=40738955/0027 Servus, Simon
237 NA: Thanks for posting. Its just another rejected takeoff that went wrong. I only stumbled over this: "whereas the inner engines (#2 and #3) are blocked".
238 Larshjort: I haven't heard this before. Are there any pictures of the tracks the aircraft have made when it went off the runway before reentering it?
240 RFields5421: Not quite - they haven't examined all the engines and do not know if catastrophic damage has occured to the two inboard engines. It appears they have
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