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Enough Gates At LHR Terminal 5B Longhaul?  
User currently offlineSpeedbird10 From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 33 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5001 times:

When BA finally does move all its flights from T4 to T5 at Heathrow, will it really have enough gates at T5B for all its longhaul flights? I think BA has approximately 15 gates at T5B and this does not seem enough. Of course, T5C will provide more gates, but that will be in a few more years. What is BA planning to do?

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User currently offlineAPYu From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2007, 839 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4949 times:

Bus people to remote stands. Have you seen Virgins adverts saying BA stands for bussing around


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User currently offlineTheginge From United Kingdom, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 1132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4869 times:

Simple answer is no. Until T5C is built a significant amount of BA's longhaul operation out of T5 will operate from remote stands.

User currently offlineLHR777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4741 times:



Quoting Theginge (Reply 2):
Simple answer is no. Until T5C is built a significant amount of BA's longhaul operation out of T5 will operate from remote stands.

..and some will also use nearby T3, the 'Oneworld Terminal'.


User currently offlineSpeedbird2155 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 878 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4579 times:

Some stands at T5A can accomodate 777/747 aircraft and will be used when needed. Also, those longhaul services operated by 767s can also be operated from T5A. This gives BA added flexibility. In the future, T5C will allow for a higher percentage of pier served operations, which is why BA pushed for the T5C schedule to be brought forward and it is now scheduled to be oeprational in 2010.....almost a year earlier than originally planned.

Quoting APYu (Reply 1):
Have you seen Virgins adverts saying BA stands for bussing around

Virgin is no different from BA in using buses to move people to and from aircraft and should be the last to be pushing this.


User currently offlineHywel From Uganda, joined Apr 2008, 802 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4575 times:



Quoting APYu (Reply 1):
Have you seen Virgins adverts saying BA stands for bussing around

Quick Google search doesn't find anything... do you have any links to the advert(s) ??


User currently offlineTheginge From United Kingdom, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 1132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4465 times:



Quoting Speedbird2155 (Reply 4):
Some stands at T5A can accomodate 777/747 aircraft and will be used when needed.

I think there are only 2 in T5A that can accomadate 777/747 aircraft.


User currently offlineBY188B From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 710 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days ago) and read 4264 times:



Quoting APYu (Reply 1):
Bus people to remote stands. Have you seen Virgins adverts saying BA stands for bussing around

What like VS do at Manchester for some of their flights. Cheeky cheeky  Smile



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User currently offlineAPYu From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2007, 839 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4168 times:



Quoting Hywel (Reply 5):
Quoting APYu (Reply 1):
Have you seen Virgins adverts saying BA stands for bussing around

Quick Google search doesn't find anything... do you have any links to the advert(s) ??

I dont I'm afraid but I read about them in The Times Prior to the launch day of T5 Virgin announced in the Times they had procured a number of advertisement positions within Terminal 5, just to annoy BA I think, and this was one of the 'straplines' quoted in the article as an example of what VS intended to use the advert hoardings for.



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User currently offlineFbgdavidson From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 3713 posts, RR: 28
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3681 times:



Quoting Speedbird10 (Thread starter):
Until T5C is built a significant amount of BA's longhaul operation out of T5 will operate from remote stands.

Are there some gates at T5A set up just for remote stands, a bit like gates 1a and 1c at T4? On a couple of occassions I've walked down the Victor gates just to be bussed to the aircraft! What a waste of energy that was!



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User currently offlineSpeedbird2155 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 878 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3581 times:



Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 9):

Are there some gates at T5A set up just for remote stands, a bit like gates 1a and 1c at T4? On a couple of occassions I've walked down the Victor gates just to be bussed to the aircraft! What a waste of energy that was!

Yes, T5A does have dedicated coaching gates. Gates A4 and A10 are dedicated coaching gates. These are further subdivided so that A4 can handle two departures, including domestics (Gates A4a and A4b) and A10 can handle up to 5 departures, international only (Gates A10a/b/c/d/e). Unlike T4, the T5 on-pier gates aren't really designed to handle coaching departures and are therefore very unlikely to ever be used in this manner. All coaching departures will be done from one of the T5A coaching gates. T5B does not have facilities for coaching departures.


User currently offlineHywel From Uganda, joined Apr 2008, 802 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3447 times:



Quoting APYu (Reply 8):
I dont I'm afraid but I read about them in The Times Prior to the launch day of T5 Virgin announced in the Times they had procured a number of advertisement positions within Terminal 5, just to annoy BA I think, and this was one of the 'straplines' quoted in the article as an example of what VS intended to use the advert hoardings for.

Think I might book a flight out of T5 soon.. I'd love to try it out and see what all the fuss is about.

Day trip to CDG or FRA looms ahead for me I think  Smile


User currently offlineMMEPHX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3368 times:

is this serious? BAA just spent Billions and years planning and building T5 yet it doesn't have enough gates at the terminal for all flights? Who designed that!

I hate boarding by bus, adds extra time into the departure process and if you have a 'tight' connection the opportunity to miss the flight increases as there is now a bus to miss. It seems a common practice in Europe, I've boarded by bus in AMS and CDG as well (though I think both those airports are building to reduce/eliminate the bus boarding??)


User currently offlineTonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1443 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3302 times:

I have reason to believe that the BAA are now considering extending the track transit system in T5 to T3 so that when BA starts to expand with its new fleet and even T5C becomes congested, the airline can easily locate aircraft to T3 stands without having to bus passengers. I am not sure if this would entail the airline moving all checkin operations to T5 or if they will maintain a landside presences in T3 but it is a sensible solution.

When one looks at charts it is clear that a T5D could be built however it would probably be too costly to move the fuel reserves which are located in this space!



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User currently offlineAPYu From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2007, 839 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3215 times:



Quoting MMEPHX (Reply 12):
is this serious? BAA just spent Billions and years planning and building T5 yet it doesn't have enough gates at the terminal for all flights? Who designed that!

A team of professional planners and architects who had space constraints to consider and work within



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User currently offlineSpeedbird2155 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 878 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3076 times:



Quoting Tonystan (Reply 13):
I have reason to believe that the BAA are now considering extending the track transit system in T5 to T3 so that when BA starts to expand with its new fleet and even T5C becomes congested, the airline can easily locate aircraft to T3 stands without having to bus passengers. I am not sure if this would entail the airline moving all checkin operations to T5 or if they will maintain a landside presences in T3 but it is a sensible solution.

I know there was some discussion about if this could be done and how it would work, but I think much of it had to do with T3/T5 connections. BA has already indicated that T3 will be used for future expansion of services, but that will most likely continue to be by having a landside presence in T3. BA is getting a dedicated check-in area in T3 (the old UA area).


User currently offlineSpud757 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3050 times:



Quoting MMEPHX (Reply 12):
Think I might book a flight out of T5 soon.. I'd love to try it out and see what all the fuss is about

I found T5 a great experience for a UK airport and preferred it to HKG. Flew from T5B. The transit system is very efficient. Even before T4 ops move over to T5 most of the stands looked occupied so think it will be a bit tight until T5C comes online.

Would imagine it''d make sense to operate the wide body aircraft from jetbridge stands at T5B as much as possible, with the narrowbodies using remote stands due to fewer paxs to board by bus this way.


User currently offlineSuperhub From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2006, 478 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2938 times:

I went to T5 for the first time to pick someone up so I had a chance to look at then landside dept and arrivals. The departure level resembles a little of the HKG check-in hall (especially how the check-in aisle signs are lined up)...very spacious as well. The arrival hall is a big improvement to what they had in the past but it felt as if it is not big enough to live up to its 35m passenger capacity (think about it, HKG's terminal is designed for c. 40m passengers and the arrivals hall is a lot larger)

It seems like that the information boards are still not fully operational (many of them were "off"). I also felt there were not enough signages. They were adequate for me to navigate around but sometimes I found myself having to look for the signs first...I have not had such problems in other LHR terminals.

But overall, it does seem very impressive...at last LHR gets a proper world-class terminal. Let's hope there is more to come.


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