777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4 Posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 11763 times:
According to this advert http://www.historyofpia.com/board/may_08/pk_rise_may25b.jpg photo looks familar wonder if they took photographers permission. Incase anyone is wondering about the shamless political statement its because the new MD and Chairman are assocaited with the political party now in power and its co-chairman.
The runway at LBA is long enough.It was extended in 1984, 14/32 has 2250m or 7382ft to play with! When it was first extended it was visited by 2 B747's in one day,British Airways & Wardair. Wardair then started flights from LBA with both B747's & Dc10's.
David_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7359 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 11022 times:
Quoting SAAB900 (Reply 7): Wardair then started flights from LBA with both B747's & Dc10's.
But not non-stop though I believe. Didn't they route vir NCL or BHX? But A310s should have no problems....not too sure if A310s have ever had the same "problems"as 757s at LBA with regards to fog though.
Well if they can cope with Shaheen's A310 then I'm sure they can cope with PIA's.
Hope it happens, will be nice to see a bit more activity at LBA.
And yes, MAN is easier to get to, but having worked in one of TUI's travel agents in Bradford last year for my work experience, the majority of passengers specified LBA as the only airport they would fly from, which is quite limiting from a travel agent's point of view. There was a lot of annoyance when Thomsonfly cut back on their op's at LBA too.
I'm not sure why, but the public opinion in Bradford (not sure about Leeds) is that LBA is a much nicer and more convenient airport than MAN. I don't agree as it happens; travelling from LBA in february was an eye opener to say the least.
Steve7E7 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 476 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8958 times:
Quoting RobK (Reply 1): Not sure it would be a success to be honest. LBA isn't easy to get to and people seem to prefer travelling through MAN which is a leisurely 45 min trundle down the motorway.
MAN maybe a leisurely 45 min trundle but considering a large proportion of the Pakistani community in Bradford live within maybe 15/20 mins of LBA, then it suddenly becomes the preferred option for many.
PIA flights have been mooted at LBA for years, let's hope it happens.
BA757 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2832 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8914 times:
Quoting BA787 (Reply 15): I'm not sure why, but the public opinion in Bradford (not sure about Leeds) is that LBA is a much nicer and more convenient airport than MAN.
God knows why - I'd rather shove pins in my eyes than fly from LBA.
LBA's accessibility is its big problem. It desperately needs a rail link to Leeds and Bradford at the very least. I know it has a fairly regular bus service, but it is slow, and can be a nightmare with luggage.
I'd expect passengers from Leeds would definitely prefer to travel to and from MAN because of the excellent (if a tad pricey) train to MAN, something that I don't think Bradford has connection free.
Accessibility aside, the airport is a dump. It was dirty and dingy the last time I flew out of there (last December), overcrowded as fog was doing its usual trick and cold. Not only that, there were passengers - possibly understandable due to the situation - smoking in the toilets, with nobody seeming to give a shit (excuse the crappy pun).
I never choose to fly from LBA unless I really have too, it's an awful place.
Talking of PIA... all the Pakistanis I know refuse to fly them, and all prefer EK! Maybe that is just the people I know, I don't know.
David_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7359 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 8832 times:
Quoting Orion737 (Reply 22): Also it will take away seats from manchester flights.
I wonder if PK is suffering at the hands of ED at MAN, despite ED operating with a tech stop? By going directly from LBA, perhaps they think they may attract some ED passengers from the LBA catchment area.
: Which routes would PK be suffering on from the hands of BD?
: I know...it's a shocker! Comparatively :- 257 per a/c at SQ 213 per a/c at BA 189 per a/c at LH 176 per a/c at EK 167 per a/c at QF 125 per a/c at AA
: and how many per aircraft at FR? 4 and a half??
: While it is waaaaaay too many employees/plane, many of the employees are paid a lot less then the aforementioned carriers.
: I bet FR pay less than PIA. It seems almost all FR crew, well cabin crew are of Eatern European origin where as at least PIA employ their own national
: It's clear you don't live round these parts Steve, otherwise you'd understand why MAN is preferred even though LBA is on Bradford's doorstep. See BA7
: None. Hence why I put ED for airblue!
: I thought you were on about Edelweiss and wondered when they'd started service to Pakistan. I wish people would use the airline name for the lesser k
: Believe it or not, FR crews are very well paid. It is the conditions that aren't the best. LCC's in general pay as good, sometimes better, as the leg
: It just makes me think, i bet irish cabin crew would be paid more, hence why everytime I fly FR the cabin crew is always from eastern Europe. Why do t
: There are Eastern Europeans working in many industries today due to the expansion of the EU. I don't think FR are actually targeting that particular
: Ignore Onion737... He isn't happy until he's managed to get some "Ryanair using cheap Eastern European labour" slagging off into every thread. R
: Back on topic, Will it be the A310 if the route goes ahead?? No replacement aircraft for the 310 out yet. even the 332 is too big for the 310s mission
: Hence why I should read it properly first before making a comment.. Getting back to your comment about ED. From what I know ED seems to be doing ok.
: I think he is from Bradford or the vicinity originally though.
: Well I'm from these parts and my view is that you just can't lump millions of people together and assume each follows your own personal preferences f
: I'm just wondering when a "legacy" carrier will start transatlantic ops to LBA given the largeish number of pax for the Yorkshire/Humberside area tha
: I lived in Bradford and it's surrounds for over 40 years so it's fair to say that I know every conceivable route to LBA from just about anywhere in B
: Complete rubbish. I'm from Leeds and just about every single person I know would rather fly from LBA than MAN where destinations are served from both
: The new management team have made no secret of the fact that a US hub and a middle eastern hub are on the target list. The commercial director was la
: You can't help that though. It's ok, we accept you for who you are. I've used LBA a couple of times. I live near Preston and for me MAN/LPL/BLK/LBA a
: I wasn't disputing that. The discussion was about how easy it is to get to the airport from a public transport point of view. Even though MAN is 50 m
: So do we think new long haul routes (that aren't Pakistan) might be a possibility for LBA anytime soon?
: Islamabad-LBA starts June 1st twice weekly. More PIA updates from another site. Frankfurt being resumed and linked with Glasgow, no more nonstops. Ams
: Quite interesting, however, ISB-DXB-JFK will be going up against EK, however, I think its the smarter move to make.
: Well try making yourself clearer then. In your 1st reply, you mention nothing about public transport, again no mention of it in your 2nd reply which
: Well given the average PIA passenger tends not to use public transport, but generally arrives by private car or minicab in the majority of cases, the
: Starts 2 July twice weekly ISB-LBA http://www.piac.com.pk/schedule/display_abc.asp?date=12:06:08%20AM