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PIA To Start Leeds/Bradford  
User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 11799 times:

According to this advert http://www.historyofpia.com/board/may_08/pk_rise_may25b.jpg photo looks familar wonder if they took photographers permission. Incase anyone is wondering about the shamless political statement its because the new MD and Chairman are assocaited with the political party now in power and its co-chairman.

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User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3947 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 11789 times:

I like the way they conveniently missed out the "Leeds" part of the destination .....

Not sure it would be a success to be honest. LBA isn't easy to get to and people seem to prefer travelling through MAN which is a leisurely 45 min trundle down the motorway.

R


User currently offlineSam1987 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 946 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 11769 times:



Quoting 777way (Thread starter):
PIA To Start Leeds/Bradford

Is this confirmed or is it just a "future plan" with no set date yet?

What aircraft would operate the route?



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 11721 times:

Must be confirmed with proper anouncement to be issued soon.

User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8999 posts, RR: 76
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 11694 times:
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Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 2):
What aircraft would operate the route?

I was asking that myself. Will that a nonstop flight or just to LHR and then further to Pakistan? I mean the runway in LBA isn't the longest...

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User currently offlineGLAGAZ From UK - Scotland, joined Feb 2004, 1983 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 11668 times:



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 4):
I was asking that myself. Will that a nonstop flight or just to LHR and then further to Pakistan? I mean the runway in LBA isn't the longest...

A310....The same aircraft Shaheen used on their LBA-Pakistan flights.

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User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8999 posts, RR: 76
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 11662 times:
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Quoting GLAGAZ (Reply 5):
A310....The same aircraft Shaheen used on their LBA-Pakistan flights.

Oh right, I forgot about their A310...

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User currently offlineSAAB900 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2007, 488 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 11439 times:



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 4):

The runway at LBA is long enough.It was extended in 1984, 14/32 has 2250m or 7382ft to play with! When it was first extended it was visited by 2 B747's in one day,British Airways & Wardair. Wardair then started flights from LBA with both B747's & Dc10's.

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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 11380 times:

"Improved Reservations System", it says. About time too.

User currently offlineDavidT From Switzerland, joined Oct 2005, 477 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 11297 times:



Quoting 777way (Thread starter):
looks familar wonder if they took photographers permission

It isn't the same photo... there's no taxiway in the one PIA used.


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 11253 times:

Definitely the same picture with modification made to ground work, look at the navigation hump on top just above it is a pointy bush or small tree, its in the identical position in both photos.

User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7370 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 11058 times:
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Quoting SAAB900 (Reply 7):
Wardair then started flights from LBA with both B747's & Dc10's.

But not non-stop though I believe. Didn't they route vir NCL or BHX? But A310s should have no problems....not too sure if A310s have ever had the same "problems"as 757s at LBA with regards to fog though.


User currently offlineJaysan From India, joined Apr 2008, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 10996 times:

Am I reading correct 582 employees per A/C?  Wow!

User currently offlineGayrugbyMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1737 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 10316 times:

Sounds like a wind up to me. LBA immigration and baggage just wouldn't cope.

User currently offlineVoodoo From Niue, joined Mar 2001, 2074 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 9987 times:

Hmmm well, I guess if the market is there, and they don't do it, EK will.


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User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 9959 times:



Quoting GayrugbyMAN (Reply 13):

Well if they can cope with Shaheen's A310 then I'm sure they can cope with PIA's.

Hope it happens, will be nice to see a bit more activity at LBA.

And yes, MAN is easier to get to, but having worked in one of TUI's travel agents in Bradford last year for my work experience, the majority of passengers specified LBA as the only airport they would fly from, which is quite limiting from a travel agent's point of view. There was a lot of annoyance when Thomsonfly cut back on their op's at LBA too.

I'm not sure why, but the public opinion in Bradford (not sure about Leeds) is that LBA is a much nicer and more convenient airport than MAN. I don't agree as it happens; travelling from LBA in february was an eye opener to say the least.


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User currently offlineEmbajador3 From Spain, joined Aug 2006, 318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 9547 times:

By the way, is PIA still serving STN?


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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 9410 times:



Quoting Embajador3 (Reply 16):
By the way, is PIA still serving STN?

That ended quite sometime ago...



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 9104 times:

Rumored that PIA A320 deal might go off, while Boeing scouting for 3 777 for the airline from other sources as per plan of operating 12 777s.

User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4918 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 9069 times:



Quoting David_itl (Reply 11):
Quoting SAAB900 (Reply 7):
Wardair then started flights from LBA with both B747's & Dc10's.

But not non-stop though I believe. Didn't they route vir NCL or BHX?

Via BHX outbound I think

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 17):
Quoting Embajador3 (Reply 16):
By the way, is PIA still serving STN?

That ended quite sometime ago...

Wasnt there talk of Gatwick instead? Did that ever start?



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 9034 times:

Gatwick I think is still being negotiated, with LBA on what happens to Newcastle or East Midlands evaluation.

User currently offlineSteve7E7 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 476 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 8994 times:



Quoting RobK (Reply 1):
Not sure it would be a success to be honest. LBA isn't easy to get to and people seem to prefer travelling through MAN which is a leisurely 45 min trundle down the motorway.

MAN maybe a leisurely 45 min trundle but considering a large proportion of the Pakistani community in Bradford live within maybe 15/20 mins of LBA, then it suddenly becomes the preferred option for many.

PIA flights have been mooted at LBA for years, let's hope it happens.


User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 8987 times:

It has to be the 310. No way will PIA use a 777 to a destination like LBA. It will all be Y class traffic from a destination like LBA to Pakistan.

Also it will take away seats from manchester flights.


User currently offlineBA757 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2832 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 8950 times:



Quoting BA787 (Reply 15):
I'm not sure why, but the public opinion in Bradford (not sure about Leeds) is that LBA is a much nicer and more convenient airport than MAN.

God knows why - I'd rather shove pins in my eyes than fly from LBA.

LBA's accessibility is its big problem. It desperately needs a rail link to Leeds and Bradford at the very least. I know it has a fairly regular bus service, but it is slow, and can be a nightmare with luggage.

I'd expect passengers from Leeds would definitely prefer to travel to and from MAN because of the excellent (if a tad pricey) train to MAN, something that I don't think Bradford has connection free.

Accessibility aside, the airport is a dump. It was dirty and dingy the last time I flew out of there (last December), overcrowded as fog was doing its usual trick and cold. Not only that, there were passengers - possibly understandable due to the situation - smoking in the toilets, with nobody seeming to give a shit (excuse the crappy pun).

I never choose to fly from LBA unless I really have too, it's an awful place.

Talking of PIA... all the Pakistanis I know refuse to fly them, and all prefer EK! Maybe that is just the people I know, I don't know.


User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7370 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 8868 times:
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Quoting Orion737 (Reply 22):
Also it will take away seats from manchester flights.

I wonder if PK is suffering at the hands of ED at MAN, despite ED operating with a tech stop? By going directly from LBA, perhaps they think they may attract some ED passengers from the LBA catchment area.


25 Jacobin777 : Which routes would PK be suffering on from the hands of BD?
26 LHR777 : I know...it's a shocker! Comparatively :- 257 per a/c at SQ 213 per a/c at BA 189 per a/c at LH 176 per a/c at EK 167 per a/c at QF 125 per a/c at AA
27 Orion737 : and how many per aircraft at FR? 4 and a half??
28 Jacobin777 : While it is waaaaaay too many employees/plane, many of the employees are paid a lot less then the aforementioned carriers.
29 Orion737 : I bet FR pay less than PIA. It seems almost all FR crew, well cabin crew are of Eatern European origin where as at least PIA employ their own national
30 RobK : It's clear you don't live round these parts Steve, otherwise you'd understand why MAN is preferred even though LBA is on Bradford's doorstep. See BA7
31 David_itl : None. Hence why I put ED for airblue!
32 Post contains images RobK : I thought you were on about Edelweiss and wondered when they'd started service to Pakistan. I wish people would use the airline name for the lesser k
33 GT4EZY : Believe it or not, FR crews are very well paid. It is the conditions that aren't the best. LCC's in general pay as good, sometimes better, as the leg
34 Orion737 : It just makes me think, i bet irish cabin crew would be paid more, hence why everytime I fly FR the cabin crew is always from eastern Europe. Why do t
35 GT4EZY : There are Eastern Europeans working in many industries today due to the expansion of the EU. I don't think FR are actually targeting that particular
36 RobK : Ignore Onion737... He isn't happy until he's managed to get some "Ryanair using cheap Eastern European labour" slagging off into every thread. R
37 Orion737 : Back on topic, Will it be the A310 if the route goes ahead?? No replacement aircraft for the 310 out yet. even the 332 is too big for the 310s mission
38 Jacobin777 : Hence why I should read it properly first before making a comment.. Getting back to your comment about ED. From what I know ED seems to be doing ok.
39 BA757 : I think he is from Bradford or the vicinity originally though.
40 EGNM-LBA : Well I'm from these parts and my view is that you just can't lump millions of people together and assume each follows your own personal preferences f
41 David_itl : I'm just wondering when a "legacy" carrier will start transatlantic ops to LBA given the largeish number of pax for the Yorkshire/Humberside area tha
42 Steve7E7 : I lived in Bradford and it's surrounds for over 40 years so it's fair to say that I know every conceivable route to LBA from just about anywhere in B
43 Leezyjet : Complete rubbish. I'm from Leeds and just about every single person I know would rather fly from LBA than MAN where destinations are served from both
44 EGNM-LBA : The new management team have made no secret of the fact that a US hub and a middle eastern hub are on the target list. The commercial director was la
45 Myt332 : You can't help that though. It's ok, we accept you for who you are. I've used LBA a couple of times. I live near Preston and for me MAN/LPL/BLK/LBA a
46 RobK : I wasn't disputing that. The discussion was about how easy it is to get to the airport from a public transport point of view. Even though MAN is 50 m
47 Sam1987 : So do we think new long haul routes (that aren't Pakistan) might be a possibility for LBA anytime soon?
48 777way : Islamabad-LBA starts June 1st twice weekly. More PIA updates from another site. Frankfurt being resumed and linked with Glasgow, no more nonstops. Ams
49 Jacobin777 : Quite interesting, however, ISB-DXB-JFK will be going up against EK, however, I think its the smarter move to make.
50 Leezyjet : Well try making yourself clearer then. In your 1st reply, you mention nothing about public transport, again no mention of it in your 2nd reply which
51 Cornish : Well given the average PIA passenger tends not to use public transport, but generally arrives by private car or minicab in the majority of cases, the
52 Post contains links 777way : Starts 2 July twice weekly ISB-LBA http://www.piac.com.pk/schedule/display_abc.asp?date=12:06:08%20AM
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