Flynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (4 years 12 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8534 times:
Within a year, Delta's 777 fleet will have doubled. The training schedule on the current 200ER has been heavy and a need for an additional trainer was identified late in 2007. Last week we took delivery of a brand new flight simulator from CAE Electronics of Montreal, a 200LR modeled after N701DN.
Here are a few photos of the devices arrival in Atlanta and installation phase:
Arrival at ATG:
Installation begins:
Visual system installation:
Current progress:
It should be noted that this simulator's motion system isn't hydraulically driven, rather it is entirely electromagnetic. FAA certification should be completed within a weeks time from this posting.
FalconBird From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1262 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (4 years 12 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8475 times:
They delivered it to the wrong address. This is not my house.
UnitedTristar From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1241 posts, RR: 4 Reply 2, posted (4 years 12 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8464 times:
Flynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (4 years 12 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 8313 times:
Quoting UnitedTristar (Reply 2): what exactly is the difference between a 200ER sim and a 200LR sim?
The same differences between the ER and LR aircraft apply in the simulator.
For one, our 777-200LRs have the electronic flight bag installed. Studies are ongoing as to whether or not to retrofit the EFB into the ER fleet.
AIMS 6 is used on the LR, AIMS 1 was used on the ER, though AIMS 6 has been retrofitted onto the ER fleet already. AIMS is an acronym for Aircraft Information Management System.
The 232LR is powered by GE90-110s, vice RR Trent 895s on the 232ER.
The max takeoff weight has increased to 766,000 lbs and the max landing weight to 492,000 lbs.
The fuel tank capacity has increased to 320,800 lbs from 303,100 lbs.
Range is 8,800 nm on the LR.
Hell, even the coffee maker is different on the LR. But there's no coffee maker on the simulator so that wouldn't apply in this case.
Flynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (4 years 12 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 8259 times:
Quoting SXDFC (Reply 4):
I think you told me this sim can also be used to train for the 773ER too right?
A 777 crew can train in any 777 simulator. Any subtle differences between the subtypes are address in what's called differences training. We've even been renting 777 simulator time from United pending the certification of this new device.
IronDuke08 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 117 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (4 years 12 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 8198 times:
Quoting Flynavy (Reply 5): A 777 crew can train in any 777 simulator. Any subtle differences between the subtypes are address in what's called differences training. We've even been renting 777 simulator time from United pending the certification of this new device.
So is this Delta's first 777 sim, period, or do you have 777-200ER sims as well?
Kaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2208 posts, RR: 3 Reply 8, posted (4 years 12 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8145 times:
Quoting IronDuke08 (Reply 6): So is this Delta's first 777 sim, period, or do you have 777-200ER sims as well?
Quoting Flynavy (Thread starter): The training schedule on the current 200ER has been heavy and a need for an additional trainer was identified late in 2007.
IronDuke08 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 117 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (4 years 12 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8061 times:
Quoting Flynavy (Reply 7): We have had a 777-232ER simulator for many years.
Quoting Flynavy (Reply 5): A 777 crew can train in any 777 simulator. Any subtle differences between the subtypes are address in what's called differences training. We've even been renting 777 simulator time from United pending the certification of this new device.
Oh okay, so does United have a 777-200LR sim even though they don't operate that aircraft or was your single 777-232ER sim simply insufficient for your training needs as your 777 fleet grew/grows beyond the original (8?) 777-232ERs?
Rwy04LGA From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2147 posts, RR: 7 Reply 10, posted (4 years 12 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8022 times:
777DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 124 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (4 years 12 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8012 times:
it's AIMS2 BP06 not AIMS6
AIMS1 was the AIMS hardware used on the 777 thru late 2000
AIMS2 is the current hardware used on the 777
the major differences are faster processors and more memory on AIMS 2 and the replacement of the FDDI maintenance bus with Ethernet( which also meant the replacement of the built-in and portable MATs [Maintenance Access Terminals])
AIMS software comes out about every 2 years and BlockPoint 06 is the latest released version ( for both AIMS1 and AIMS2)
Mark5388916 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 377 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (4 years 12 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7818 times:
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Flynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (4 years 12 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7742 times:
Quoting IronDuke08 (Reply 9): Oh okay, so does United have a 777-200LR sim even though they don't operate that aircraft or was your single 777-232ER sim simply insufficient for your training needs as your 777 fleet grew/grows beyond the original (8?) 777-232ERs?
You quoted the answer to the very question you asked. A 777 flight crew can train on any 777 device. The cockpits - regardless of subtype - are virtually identical (in terms of hardware). With the 777 fleet soon to be doubling, we'll need twice as many pilots. That means we need another trainer.
Quoting Okie73 (Reply 17): this sim is a 777-300 sim. 300ER I believe.
This simulator was a "white tail" device and is currently - at least in the software - a 300ER, yes. But, like I said, it is modeled after N701DN.
DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 16824 posts, RR: 57 Reply 20, posted (4 years 12 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7624 times:
Quoting Flynavy (Reply 3): For one, our 777-200LRs have the electronic flight bag installed. Studies are ongoing as to whether or not to retrofit the EFB into the ER fleet.
AIMS 6 is used on the LR, AIMS 1 was used on the ER, though AIMS 6 has been retrofitted onto the ER fleet already. AIMS is an acronym for Aircraft Information Management System.
The 232LR is powered by GE90-110s, vice RR Trent 895s on the 232ER.
The max takeoff weight has increased to 766,000 lbs and the max landing weight to 492,000 lbs.
The fuel tank capacity has increased to 320,800 lbs from 303,100 lbs.
Range is 8,800 nm on the LR.
It sounds like most of the differences could be accomplished with some simple changes in software. After all, the sim has neither engines, nor an MTOW, nor a fuel tank capacity, and I would imagine that the AIMS can be changed without changing too much of the hardware at the level of the UI...
Flynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (4 years 12 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7611 times:
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 20): It sounds like most of the differences could be accomplished with some simple changes in software. After all, the sim has neither engines, nor an MTOW, nor a fuel tank capacity, and I would imagine that the AIMS can be changed without changing too much of the hardware at the level of the UI...
You are correct.
For instance, we (Delta) sell many, many hours to Aeromexico. In the case of their 767 crews, they use one our 767-332ER simulators. AMX uses GE engines on their 767s, so we have an "AMX" load built specifically for them. When an AMX crew is scheduled, we swap out the engine start panel and load the AMX load and their on their way.
In the case of the 777, the only differences in the cockpit related to engine type are generated by software (i.e. a GE-90 uses N1, N2 indications whereas the Trent uses N1, EPR, and N2 etc.).
Now, the AIMS on our 777 simulator isn't an aircraft "black box" - the function of the AIMS is simulated using a number of networked computers which each simulate a function of the AIMS. The reason for this is it is much, much more cheaper to simulate (rehost) an AIMS or traditional FMS (in the case of the 737NG sims) vice using an actual aircraft box.
As I said earlier, the primary reason for acquiring this new device was the demand for additional 777 training. In one year, half of the 777 fleet will be ER and the other half will be LR. It only makes sense to have two separate trainers to keep flight crews familiar on both subtypes.
DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 16824 posts, RR: 57 Reply 22, posted (4 years 12 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7569 times:
Quoting Flynavy (Reply 21): When an AMX crew is scheduled, we swap out the engine start panel and load the AMX load and their on their way.
Is there physically such a panel in the cockpit? I would have imagined that it could be software-driven...
777DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 124 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (4 years 12 months 2 days ago) and read 7521 times:
the 777 ends up with no panel changes on a body or engine change, the 757, 767, 747 usually have minor changes when the engine mfr changes , the usual one is the engine start/ignition panel in the cockpit overhead. The other customer option changes are either software or program pin strapping. These include things like EGPWS callout options, Instrument display options, engine ratings and customer FMC settings. the last thing that usually needs changing on a per customer basis is the FMC navigation database, as different customers have different airports and navigation procedures in their databases ( there is not enough room in most FMCs to load every airport and procedure for the whole world , not to mention the cost from the database providers)
25 IronDuke08: Thanks. That's what I thought but I wanted to make sure I understood clearly.
26 United_Fan: Ummm,I am still waiting for their old 727 sim
27 Falstaff: I guess for extended range they need a bigger coffee pot...
28 777DEN: you don't want to know what it takes to operate a simulator. A typical 6 axis hydraulic motion simulator uses about 400 Amps of 3 phase 440V power to
29 Avi8tir: how much do these cost? I want one for my house!!
31 Flynavy: All of the 727 simulators we operated were sold to Varig Log. We still have three 737-200 simulators, two of which (the oldest two) are already sold
32 United_Fan: I was kidding If I had the $ and the room,I'de have one for sure!
33 Revo1059: What are the plans with the L1011 sim?
34 Flynavy: The L1011 devices will be donated to colleges (GA Tech, IIRC), and a local aviation museum. L1011-1 is still in service though is seeing much less ti
35 Xclozano: I got to fly DL's 737-200 sim not to long ago....
36 Alitalia744: I flew an MD-11 sim out at Alteon/Boeing Long-beach. It was an amazing experience, even had some FedEx pilots in the sim watching while waiting for th
37 AAH732UAL: No.... the newest sim at TK is a B767 bought back in 03 and is the only 767 w/ GPS. Weird DAL chose UAL over AA since UAL is Pratts :S Any logic behi
38 United_Fan: I got to ride in the back of that one,and the older 737-200,too.
39 777DEN: Delta is doing 767 training at UAL but not 777, and the newest sim at Denver is the #5 A320 UAL has 3 777 full flight sims , there was a 4th that was
40 Acey559: Same here, but I got booted so we went over to the MD-90 for a while (I've got pics in my profile). I was amazed at not only the realism, but also at
41 Flynavy: 1970's? I think you're over-exadurating by about 25 years. There are a few simulators at DL from the 70's (L1011s come to mind) but a majority of the
42 Flynavy: To put it in perspective, the first Google server was an IBM F50...
43 Acey559: My apologies, I was just repeating what I was told. Maybe I misheard the guy, or he was just generalizing. Thanks for the info, and again I apologize
44 Flighty: Slightly OT, but how does the 777 cockpit compare to a DC-10 / MD-10 / MD-11 cockpit? How much bigger is the 747 cockpit than either of those? Thanks
45 Flynavy: Have you never seen any of the cockpits you mentioned? DC10 - Noticeably older technology. MD10/MD11 - Virtually identical cockpits (MD10 is a DC10 w
47 Flighty: Nice photos, thanks... any input on which cockpit is the most spacious? Always heard the DC-10 has a palace of a cockpit... maybe the 744 is also? Whi
48 ZuluAviator994: your right, it was supposed to be delivered to my house. Hopefully they'll get the next one right lol, on a more serious note, looks tight, and im gl
49 WESTERN737800: Very important, does the 777LR sim have cupholders for the pilots?
50 Revo1059: Here is a nice view from inside DL 757-1 sim from last month.
51 AAH732UAL: very cool topic I must say![Edited 2008-05-27 19:35:03]
52 Flynavy: All of the simulator cockpits have to match the aircraft, so yes, if there's a cupholder in the actual airplane, so does the simulator.
53 A380fo: I go to that place quite a lot and there still doing sim-rides. Ive dont hte MD-11, and 73NG twice Gotta Love IT
54 Fyano773: I wonder if the conversion applies to hardware and software to the GE engines as well. Two AM's 777 were originally engined with GE90-90B, but after
55 Jokestar: hahaha, the first picture makes it look like a big, futuristic toilet bowl. This looks quite different on the outside to the ones I saw at Qantas, but
56 SkyTeamTriStar: From the stories that I've heard, the 744 FD isn't as big as people might imagine.
57 Flynavy: Ah yes, I had it backwards. The 767-3 simulator is defaulted to a -332ER with PW engines so when AMX uses that trainer the only conversion needed is
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