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Qantas & Jetstar Reduce Capacity  
User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5080 posts, RR: 6
Posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 10113 times:

QF announce reduction in flying

http://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/20080528/pdf/319c31g5wnckkp.pdf

- Retiring one 737
- Grounding 2 x 767 and one JQ 320
- Cancelling 1 x 321 delivery
- Retirement of 747-300's br December
- Redcuing utilisation of 747-400 fleet

Qantas are leaving SYD-OOL and MEL-AYQ (I guess they were the unpriftable domestic routes!) and reducing SYD-AYQ

Jetstar are dropping BNE-HBA, SYD-PPP and ADL-MCY, reduction in ADL, AVV and CNS flying.

News on the Internaional route adjustments & cuts are due next week.

[Edited 2008-05-27 22:55:40]

112 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21415 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 10109 times:

Interesting that the 743 retires before the holiday season.

Will the 744s ply the 743 routes? SYD-PER on a 744 would be fun.



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User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5080 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 10071 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
Will the 744s ply the 743 routes? SYD-PER on a 744 would be fun.

Not palnned to - they are being replaced directly with 767 & A332 flying. (has been in the timetables a month or so)

Re international - I reckon some japanese services may be cut next week....


User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 2807 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9983 times:



Quoting ANstar (Reply 2):
Re international - I reckon some japanese services may be cut next week....

I think that QF Mainline service from North Queensland to Japan will go along with a reduction in QF flying to Hawaii and across the Tasman.

Reducing utilisation of the 747-400 fleet is an interesting one. The easiest way to do that immediately would be to cut QF149 out of the schedule to LAX and leave Sydney as a double daily service. Apart from that I can't imagine them reducing service to LHR, FRA or J'burg. It'll be interesting to see if EZE starts or if it is delayed.


User currently offlineSparklehorse12 From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 884 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9946 times:

I am not surprised that this has happened. More airlines will feel the pain and I will not be surprised at all if QF review it's share in FJ.

The freeze in executive pay must have been hard for Dixon to swallow....



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User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5080 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9939 times:



Quoting Sparklehorse12 (Reply 4):
I will not be surprised at all if QF review it's share in FJ.

From what I hear the Fijian government have initiated a review as they don't like the partnership with QF and are looking at kicking them out.

As soon as that happen I guess we will see Jetstar flying to Nadi.


User currently offlineCupraIbiza From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 836 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9902 times:

smart move but I am an unabashed QF group fan. so my opinion is biased!

Quoting ANstar (Reply 5):
From what I hear the Fijian government have initiated a review as they don't like the partnership with QF and are looking at kicking them out.

As soon as that happen I guess we will see Jetstar flying to Nadi.

If this is true these Fijians have no idea. Like Michael Corleone said "Keep your freinds close, your enemies closer". JQ would decimate FJ on the Australia-Fiji route. Wouldnt they?

Quoting Sparklehorse12 (Reply 4):
The freeze in executive pay must have been hard for Dixon to swallow....

Pay is all relative remember. I dont think Mr Dixon is overpaid. Look at his pay in relation to the outgoing CEO of Macquarie Bank!



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User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5080 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9878 times:



Quoting CupraIbiza (Reply 6):
If this is true these Fijians have no idea.

LoL...

http://www.fijitimes.com/story.aspx?id=90537

Is only part of the story, cant find the other part, but seems the fiji govt has been slamming QF as Air Pacific is not profitable. They started a reviewof Air Pacific (and its ownership) without the knowledge of QF.... hardly stuff that should be going on in a healthy business relationship.... if it is losing money Im sure QF would be happy to divest of it and as I said above, show them the orange star


User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3314 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9879 times:



Quoting CupraIbiza (Reply 6):
smart move but I am an unabashed QF group fan. so my opinion is biased!

Now that Qantas has made the first move, the question is how quickly will others be to follow.

I have no doubt that Jetstar, Tiger and Virgin Blue will all announce some form of reduced services over the coming weeks...


User currently offlineGarethW From New Zealand, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9808 times:



Quoting ANstar (Thread starter):
Qantas are leaving SYD-OOL

Unbelievable, but I'm not going to go on about it again!! I submit. To driving to BNE as usual, that is, not flying DJ or JQ.
I will never understand why they won't change the 0605 OOL departure to something around 0730-0800ish and see if there are another 150-odd people like myself living on the Gold Coast who want QF service.
Anyway, I've gone on about it long enough. The end.



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User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5080 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9796 times:



Quoting GarethW (Reply 9):
I will never understand why they won't change the 0605 OOL departure to something around 0730-0800ish and see if there are another 150-odd people like myself living on the Gold Coast who want QF service.

I think another issue with this route is that for the 2 services they operate, the crews only fly 1 sector (SYD-OOL) then overnight in OOL. It is really not a very good use of crew....

I would also expect that since QF will no longer servce OOL, that the Qantas Club will also disappear!


User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3314 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9775 times:



Quoting GarethW (Reply 9):
Unbelievable, but I'm not going to go on about it again!! I submit. To driving to BNE as usual, that is, not flying DJ or JQ.
I will never understand why they won't change the 0605 OOL departure to something around 0730-0800ish and see if there are another 150-odd people like myself living on the Gold Coast who want QF service.
Anyway, I've gone on about it long enough. The end.

As traffic on the roads increases, you will at some point realise that sitting on a DJ or JQ aircraft for 1:20 beats:

a) driving from Gold Coast to BNE to connect with QF, and
b) sitting on a crappy old Qantas B734!


User currently offlineGarethW From New Zealand, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9707 times:



Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 11):
As traffic on the roads increases, you will at some point realise that sitting on a DJ or JQ aircraft for 1:20 beats:

a) driving from Gold Coast to BNE to connect with QF, and
b) sitting on a crappy old Qantas B734!

I agree so time will tell... I guess Its just the principle that annoys me.



How good is it?
User currently offlineSparklehorse12 From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 884 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 9633 times:



Quoting CupraIbiza (Reply 6):
Pay is all relative remember. I dont think Mr Dixon is overpaid. Look at his pay in relation to the outgoing CEO of Macquarie Bank!

Well that is hardly a legitimate comparison, Cupralbiza  laughing 

Quoting GarethW (Reply 12):

I agree so time will tell... I guess Its just the principle that annoys me.

Yes, I don;t quite understand it either....the GC is booming with business happening and billions being invested - QF pull out mainline services.

What I think is typical is the way QF are so defensive in thier moves to an input cost which is rising. EK and SQ are growing services and QF are reducing services. Isn't this the QF story under Dixon? Ultra defensive, ultra risk adverse and ultra boring......

The back end of QF needs a serious revamp...talk to QF employees and they will tell you it is held together by bits of string. The coporate aneorexia under Dixon is really starting to show.



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User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1339 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 9582 times:



Quoting Sydscott (Reply 3):
I think that QF Mainline service from North Queensland to Japan will go along with a reduction in QF flying to Hawaii and across the Tasman.

That's interesting. IIRC, just a few months ago, tour local news here in HNL reported that QF added capacity to the SYD-HNL route, from 3x weekly, to 4x weekly. Are the QF loads to HNL not doing well? If you are correct, that would be good news for HA.

Aloha,
HALFA



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User currently offlineCupraIbiza From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 836 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 9537 times:



Quoting Sparklehorse12 (Reply 13):
Quoting CupraIbiza (Reply 6):
Pay is all relative remember. I dont think Mr Dixon is overpaid. Look at his pay in relation to the outgoing CEO of Macquarie Bank!

Well that is hardly a legitimate comparison, Cupralbiza

How come?

Quoting Sparklehorse12 (Reply 13):
Isn't this the QF story under Dixon? Ultra defensive, ultra risk adverse and ultra boring......

you forgot to mention ultra profitable



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User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5080 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 9496 times:



Quoting HALFA (Reply 14):
That's interesting. IIRC, just a few months ago, tour local news here in HNL reported that QF added capacity to the SYD-HNL route, from 3x weekly, to 4x weekly. Are the QF loads to HNL not doing well? If you are correct, that would be good news for HA.

Yes - QF added an additonal frequency as they had the aircraft to do it - Jetstar didn't.

I'm not so sure it would be all that great news for HA as their product is not exactly much better than Jetstar once you have paid for your meal etc.


User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1339 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9433 times:



Quoting ANstar (Reply 16):
I'm not so sure it would be all that great news for HA as their product is not exactly much better than Jetstar once you have paid for your meal etc.

If QF reduces capacity to HNL, it will certainly be good news for HA. It will also improve LF's on JQ's flights to HNL as well. Anytime an airline reduces capacity on a route with few exceptions, it will benefit the other carriers on said route, regardless of service standards.
I am not trying to debate service levels of HA vs. JQ. But the mostly Australian passengers that we fly between HNL and SYD seem to be happy with our service.

Aloha,
HALFA



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User currently offlinePilotdude09 From Australia, joined May 2005, 1777 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9395 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
SYD-PER on a 744 would be fun.

You'd be suprised at how often a 744 runs SYD-PER-SYD, but most people except J pax notice a difference as the 743 has IFE etc.

Will be sad to see the old bangers go though, they have an EXCELLENT product and they are the most popular flights.



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User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5080 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9375 times:



Quoting HALFA (Reply 17):
If QF reduces capacity to HNL, it will certainly be good news for HA. It will also improve LF's on JQ's flights to HNL as well. Anytime an airline reduces capacity on a route with few exceptions

Yes but my assumption is that the Qf flights will be directly replace dby Jetstar so their will not be a drop in capacity by the QF group - just a readjustment of operating carrier.

I'm pretty sure a japanese route is gonna be cut and free up a 332 ....


User currently offlineBNE From Australia, joined Mar 2000, 3169 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 9232 times:

I wouldn't be surprised to see flights to Japan from Cairns being trimmed.

Currently the schedule has 3 times weekly CNS-KIX-CNS while the other is daily KIX-BNE-SYD-KIX

The KIX-BNE-SYD-KIX was being changed to route via OOL, so I wouldn't be surprised if that route never gets off the ground.

The Jetstar schedule shows an indrect flight to Nagoya twice a week and Nagoya only 3 times a week.

I wonder whether one of the daily Osaka flights gets the chop.

I wouldn't be surprised to see HNL on both JQ and QF go to daily. 4 weekly with JQ; currently 5 weekly and Qantas drop back to 3 weekly on the days that JQ don't fly.

BNE-HBA being dropped surprises me, but then the timing on JQ was never that good anyway.



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User currently offlineHKGKaiTak From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 1050 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 9175 times:

I guess the announcement has been coming for some time ... let's hope there aren't too many job losses.

Quoting ANstar (Thread starter):
Qantas are leaving SYD-OOL and MEL-AYQ (I guess they were the unpriftable domestic routes!) and reducing SYD-AYQ

Not really surprised to see these routes axed, although very sad as I have a personal interest in the latter two.

I wonder why QF didn't downgrade the SYD-OOL service to a Fri-Mon service? They seem to do alright over the weekend.

Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 18):
Will be sad to see the old bangers go though, they have an EXCELLENT product and they are the most popular flights.

Yeah very sad to see the 747-300's going prematurely. Flying in an A330 or the antiquated 767s just won't be the same.  Sad

If circumstances permit I'll have to do a roundtrip to PER on one before they go.

Quoting Sparklehorse12 (Reply 4):
The freeze in executive pay must have been hard for Dixon to swallow....

I doubt executives like himself are affected. They might freeze his pay but they can always give him a better bonus plan ... like always it's the workers at QF who takes the pain but not the execs.



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User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 2807 posts, RR: 20
Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 9068 times:



Quoting HKGKaiTak (Reply 21):
I doubt executives like himself are affected. They might freeze his pay but they can always give him a better bonus plan ... like always it's the workers at QF who takes the pain but not the execs.

A bonus plan would have some sort of share element in it along with a measure of return on capital and market performance. With a falling share price, falling profits and falling returns its unlikely that any reasonable measure of performance for shareholders would result in a bonus for executives. But at least it takes the issue of pay for executives off the table for the unions to have a go at. Clearly QF have learned something from the predicament AA finds itself in.

Quoting ANstar (Reply 19):
Yes but my assumption is that the Qf flights will be directly replace dby Jetstar so their will not be a drop in capacity by the QF group - just a readjustment of operating carrier.

I'm pretty sure a japanese route is gonna be cut and free up a 332 ....

That was my assumption too. Any reduced flying to Hawaii by QF mainline would be covered by JQ.

It'll also be interesting to see what happens with the AKL-LAX sector. I missed an obvious cut to 744 flying there and QF already have an A332 operting on some days.

Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 18):
Will be sad to see the old bangers go though, they have an EXCELLENT product and they are the most popular flights.

Indeed. QF have taken great care of them but it is time they were retired. Hopefully this means more A330 trans con flying!

Quoting Sparklehorse12 (Reply 13):
Well that is hardly a legitimate comparison, Cupralbiza

Indeed. Moss built something out of nothing and got rewarded for it. You can't really say the same thing about Geoff! He's kept the ship afloat and profitable, which could be considered to be an achievement of sorts, but that's really about it. Dynamic is not a word one would associate with him.

Quoting Sparklehorse12 (Reply 13):
What I think is typical is the way QF are so defensive in thier moves to an input cost which is rising. EK and SQ are growing services and QF are reducing services. Isn't this the QF story under Dixon? Ultra defensive, ultra risk adverse and ultra boring......

I agree to a point. My question is more why the hell are they flying 10 flights per day? Why not cut the number to 6 or 7 and use 767's like they used to? I mean to SYD and MEL you'd expect there to be some sort of premium to capture!


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21415 posts, RR: 60
Reply 23, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 9050 times:



Quoting HKGKaiTak (Reply 21):
Yeah very sad to see the 747-300's going prematurely.

I've only had two 743 flights. A Sabena, and QF SYD-PER. The QF flight was great, and it was amazing how quickly the plane was boarded with no rows or zones called.



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User currently offlineVhqpa From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 1443 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 9033 times:



Quoting HKGKaiTak (Reply 21):
very sad to see the 747-300's going prematurely

Prematurely??? They should have gone at least 12-18 months ago



I'm Surprised JQ are keeping BNE-LST whilst axing BNE-HBA. I would have thought either LST or both would have been axed.




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25 Sparklehorse12 : Executive bonus' would not be affected but I would say Dixon would be under pressure externally at say the AGM from the media and shareholder groups
26 ANstar : Demand? BNE-LST has 4 x weekly JQ and 6 x Weekly DJ... so it will move to DJ only.... BNE-HBA has Daily with DJ and 3 x weekly with JQ So it looks as
27 BA319-131 : - Glad I got on one last year, new that was a good move! M
28 Baroque : I think, Cupral, the reason why Sparkle is correct, is that the CEO of Mac Bank is not trying to negotiate down the pay increases for his engineering
29 Onedude : Hi All, My 0.02 - purely speculative: * QF will likely have trouble keeping the commitment of all MEL/SYD to PER and vv flying becoming widebody servi
30 ClassicLover : Well this certainly puts to bed the argument that Qantas is "screaming for capacity" or "desperately in need of more aircraft" doesn't it? You don't p
31 Post contains links ANstar : Anopther article here speculating on international route cuts http://business.smh.com.au/qantas-ch...s-for-the-knife-20080528-2j2t.html I dont think J
32 Sydscott : I forsee at least one entire route to LAX being devoid of 744's in the next 12 months assuming A380's arrive on schedule. So maybe we are reading too
33 Onedude : Excellent comment. Given the B744 fleet is stretched to the max, maybe its a position of going back to having an operational spare at SYD? Cheers, on
34 Sparklehorse12 : Oh I don' t understand do I anything do I...? I wasn't suggesting OOL was the engine room of anything but you don't even live here so I can't see how
35 GarethW : I'm not sure about the former, as I fly BNE-AKL regularly and always seems to have high load factors. The last time was a couple of weeks ago on QF11
36 EXAAUADL : These were real iffy routes from the begining anyways..I mean ADL-MCY???? and PPP is near tow other airports, MCY, and HTI
37 ANstar : Yup Some interesting posts on PPRUNE suggest it is all posturing by QF due to all the EBA's due 737's are going to be retired (as 738's arrive - next
38 Thegeek : These ideas mostly work for me. BNE-HBA had terrible times, and weak loads the 2 times I flew it. This doesn't, except for the grounding of the 737 C
39 ANstar : Yes - I still think it is a great PR move by Qantas.... most of the fleet plans were probably in the pipeline. - The markets will think itis a great
40 TruemanQLD : When does this come into effect? I wanted to fly QF on July 31st but thats probably to late. Also, why ground the A321? It works fine and is pretty mu
41 ANstar : It is not a grounding - just a cancellation of 1 (of 6) A321 delvieries from the lessor. Apparently the 321 they were due to have delivered has some
42 WunalaYann : Which probably reinforces the (good, in my opinion) point about the fact that there is a fair bit of drama and posturing going on regarding internal
43 Ditzyboy : That is not true at all... There is a variety of patterns that end up at OOL. Some you even do the late flight in, a Stage Day (not a day off but not
44 Boof : Sorry but DJ do not operate BNE-LST direct. I just checked the DJ website for confirmation. In fact I don't ever recall them operating it, hence far
45 ANstar : That is what I was told by the CC on my last flight to OOL. I was on the morning departure from SYD and the crew were only doing the SYD-OOL flight a
46 ANstar : I believe they are still getting the other 321's, just not this Ex Spirit bird. The 321 is on a SYD-OOL rotation later in the year as well.
47 Dutchflyboi : Has anyone heard anything about layoffs of flight and cabin crew? How about reduction of flying from LHR? Qantas has cabin crews based out of LHR upto
48 WunalaYann : Cheers for the info, mate. Additionally, if you can help me shed some light on the whole 737/320 issue at QF, I'd really appreciate...
49 Kent350787 : My recollection is the 738 decision was made in the late '90s, but ramped up when they took over AA's slots in late 2001 - AA didn't need the planes p
50 WunalaYann : *moaning in understanding* Ok. I guess now AA would really like to have those slots back and unload their Mad Dogs...
51 ANstar : I presume it would be the higher paid staff (not the lower paid QCCA)... another wolf in sheeps clothing spin on PR! I think the 320's were chosen as
52 6thfreedom : Folks, Jetstar has announced further announcements next week from AVV, ADL and CNS... so what's likely to go? AVV-ADL reduction, AVV-PER and perhaps A
53 Sydscott : Acutally I know a few QCCA staff and they say they are earning almost as much as what the current Cabin Crew are. Of course it helps that the only wa
54 Baroque : That seems to follow the track record. Create a crisis, bash through a few more cost saving items, then announce higher profits. Sometime, QF might j
55 WunalaYann : Too right. Which also poses a problem when looking at urban planning - increasing density via apartment building is all nice, but construction burns
56 Baroque : It is an extraordinary reason but I am sure you are correct. Most think the A32x and recent 73xs are pretty level pegging. However, it begs the quest
57 Jamie86 : Lol i think your friend is telling you stories. They could only wish they were getting the same.
58 Zkpilot : AKL-LAX has for many years been a successful operation for QF... even when the loads are light it is a much more cost effective way of sending air fr
59 777ER : There was an article in this mornings Dominion Post about the QF and JQ cutbacks. QF said that they won't be reducing their NZ operations and Trans Ta
60 Axio : I imagine that the AKL-LAX service supports some of the middle-of-the-day New Zealand domestic flying, and reducing it might make QF's New Zealand dom
61 777ER : QFs LAX services to/from AKL supports basically all of QFs domestic ops here, Ranging from the morning flights from AKL to WLG and CHC, and the after
62 ANstar : I'm sure they also have a lot of NZ pax and Aussies flying over to support those services.
63 Thegeek : He's not the only one. That's one thing that it might look like. Another is it does look like QF are trying to screw wages down. DJ aren't exactly li
64 ANstar : They may decide to defer some EMB deliveries or even return some 737's to lessors as leases expire and not replace them with new aircraft... In sayin
65 Baroque : Not me, not me!!!!! Try Sydscott, he lives just next door as it happens!!! When I find out what QCCA is or are, I might even know!!! And the same adv
66 Koruman : No. The same political problems would remain, but unit costs are similar between JQ and FJ, but with FJ providing a far superior product. Classy. I h
67 DavidByrne : Just flew AKL-OOL on DJ and back on NZ this week. Funny old airport is OOL . . . but so much more convenient than BNE. Was surprised that the company
68 Zkpilot : QCCA = Qantas Cabin Crew Australia... It came about as a result of Long haul crew last EBA negotiations... basically they got to keep all their condi
69 ClassicLover : Of course you are, Sparklehorse, of course you are. Australian Aviation had pictures of a TAA A320 in the magazine back in the 1980s. Apparently it w
70 Sydscott : On the contrary. For the past month one of my closest friends working for QF has done nothing but LHR and FRA. From what she, and her colleagues, hav
71 ANstar : No? I said I think we will see the QF club disapear. Shouldnt that be Yes.... it is being repalced with a Koru Club (or something of the sort!) Not f
72 Boof : Yes in theory your argument is correct. The reality is that JQ had such a bad rep and scheduled times that the BNE-HBA flight wasn't popular so they
73 Sydscott : Brisbane to Luton, England. I could imagine that there wouldn't be much competition on that route. Well it wasn't actually QF that got a cracker of a
74 Boof : Thanks for picking that up. Yes I meant LST not LTN..... Work seems to get in the way of my airline thinking sometimes! Who knows?? One day you may s
75 Aussie747 : I understand the reduction into/out of AYQ will not take place until after the peak season of early August. As for the rest I am not quite sure.
76 Alangirvan : No reason why BNE-LTN should not happen, except it would probably be BNE-STN. LTN does have the Silverjet service to NY (at the moment, while it is s
77 ANstar : I would think the stop would be at their Asian hub which is to be announced closer to the 787's arrival. I doubt we will see JQ fly to London.... tha
78 Sparklehorse12 : What the are tips on the JQ hub in Asia? QF are pouring a fair amount of resources into SGN is it possible for it to be there or KUL? I get the feeli
79 ANstar : I dont think SGN has the infrastructure to be able to do it currently.... My thoughts (as I have said before) are for BKK. Thailand is aimed right at
80 Baroque : Thanks Zk, alphabet soup is wont to drown at times! I noticed that today's strikers compared the time since their modest pay rise (over two years) wi
81 Sparklehorse12 : I guess with a fleet of 787's and JQ being a point to point LCC they very well could use BKK as their Asian hub and operate short haul from BKK to th
82 Thegeek : Haven't you just contradicted yourself there? That's because they have now done this option:
83 HKGKaiTak : However the 744 is regularly full on the HKG run - not sure how JNB is (with the SA code-share situation) but friends who've been on have said it's f
84 Smi0006 : I would beleive that this is largly a tactic to grind down the unions, after going through one EBA negotiation with QF I fully support the engineers a
85 Zkpilot : Perhaps I should have said "senior" rather than older... however there aren't exactly many senior F/As around that aren't in their 50s+
86 TBCITDG : It was interesting to read how QCCA crew apparently are earning just as much as Qantas cabin crew. One must remember that they are obligated to work (
87 TruemanQLD : Really? I would have thought it would have been much more common for people to want to fly into OOL not BNE Anyway.... This is a very smart move by Q
88 DavidByrne : How so? Six plus daily flights AKL-BNE, including at least a couple of wide-bodies; roughly one daily AKL-OOL narrow-body.
89 Koruman : I disagree David. The EK flights and the Air NZ widebody have no option but to use BNE rather than OOL because that is the actual destination of thei
90 Post contains links Aussie747 : As per QF website news it states from August this will take place. Please read before rebutting peoples statements. http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/
91 DavidByrne : Though all this does vary with season, actually closer to 11 daily dedicated TT flights into BNE from NZ - usually two NZ 320/733s ex AKL in addition
92 Koruman : It has been for years - there was a sensational contract killing at Benowa Waters by a frogman seven or eight years ago. China just isn't sustainable
93 DavidByrne : No, but just set aside the polemic for a moment, and consider whether NZ would fare better travelling to China via OOL than nonstop, on the assumptio
94 Carnoc : Yes, there is a very thin market, but it won't be able to support a non-stop service even during the peak seasons (The Brisbane market is not even bi
95 ANstar : Unlike the 30 odd NZ threads specualting on where a magical hub for NZ will be, I seriously doubt NZ would consider any NZ-AUS-XXX flights.
96 DavidByrne : It would be helpful if both of you could explain the background to your reasoning, rather than just stating it as fact or strong opinion.
97 FlyboyOz : I have spoken to the QF pilots that all the 734s will be retired after one year
98 777ER : DJ serves BNE from WLG Anyone else able to back up this claim (not saying I don't believe you FlyboyOz)? Would this also mean Jetconnects B734s are g
99 ANstar : Because NZ is majority owned by the NZ government - I am sure the NZ government is not really into expanding their national airline though other coun
100 Koruman : David, I think that Carnoc's replies eloquently explain why routes from Australia and New Zealand to China are simply an unviable flight of fantasy a
101 Alangirvan : AirNZ has already tried flying from Asia to Queensland and some to Sydney. When AirNZ added flights between NZ and Korea, Taiwan and Osaka there were
102 Carnoc : Well, Air China will probably be the first to be "p!ssed off" if Air NZ goes ahead with a NZ-AUS-CHINA routing, then terminating all codeshare agreem
103 ANstar : July 31st should be fine - it is still in the booking system - however it is gone from Friday 1 August.
104 DavidByrne : I think you've both pretty much missed my point. Flights to China from both NZ and Australia ARE reality. The likelihood of ALL carriers abandoning t
105 Carnoc : Actually Air NZ has much closer relationship with Air China than Shanghai Airlines (with more codeshare agreements, more joint promotions, more SPAs
106 Alangirvan : The Asian carriers are not just taking part in the Australia to Asia market. Qantas says they have at least 40 competitors between Australia and Asia
107 Post contains links REALDEAL : FJ announced a profit. Air Pacific Group has posted a profit of F$38.2 million, ($26.8 million) for the year ending March 31, a 620 per cent improvem
108 DavidByrne : OK, so the fact of Air China being the "other" Star Chinese partner (I had thought it might be Hainan) does invalidate some of my argument. But the pr
109 DavidByrne : Actually not quite 40 years on AKL-NRT.
110 Airnewzealand : Interesting, I think someone is telling fibs OR rubbing the permanents up the wrong way! Some QCCA crew have come in with the worst attitude it is ve
111 ANstar : Very true - though sometimes it is easy to forget that That is sad news - especially given (I presume) the high demand for these jobs
112 Zkpilot : good call. Most have been quite pleasant that I have seen but there are a few bad apples.
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