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Rumor: SQ Moving IAH Ops To Daytime Service?  
User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3954 posts, RR: 22
Posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7851 times:

A rumor recently broke at Houston Spotters (one of those "I have a friend who heard from someone.....") that SQ will be moving their current night time operations to a mid day service in Oct. Can anyone confirm or deny?

Below is the post from Houston Spotters.....

Hi guys

my friend works for singapore airlines here in IAH he is the ASA airport sales agent to them, he tells me that they have confirmed now that SIA will now come around 12pm and leave at 7 or 8pm in the evening from Oct 23, 2008 i talk to couple more people in menzies they said the same thing. If i hear anything else i will surely update you guys!


Thomas


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User currently offlineFlyingClrs727 From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 733 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7783 times:

That will make connections for the DME-IAH flight much easier. I don't quite understand why they want to wait 7 or 8 hours before starting the return trip.

User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3954 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7757 times:



Quoting FlyingClrs727 (Reply 1):
I don't quite understand why they want to wait 7 or 8 hours before starting the return trip.

I was just commenting on that at another site. Seems like a huge waste of revenue to have an aircraft sitting at 'D's hardstand for that length of time.I believe that SQ currently turns IAH/DME is some 2 hours or less. Again this is only a rumor at this stage, hopefully someone will have something more accurate to report.

Thomas



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User currently offlineBlueFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3996 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7689 times:
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Quoting FlyingClrs727 (Reply 1):
I don't quite understand why they want to wait 7 or 8 hours before starting the return trip.

A 7 pm departure should mean arrival in SIN around 7 or 7:30 in the morning to connect with the morning bank to cities such as BKK, CGK, KUL or SGN. If it were me, I'd rather have the change happen now, in time for my flight in July.



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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3964 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7588 times:
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I believe PIA used to do the same. NOt for that length of time, but they used to park it on the hardstand for a while. Myabe a 5 hour layover??? BUt this was also the case when we were operating our international flights out of D.


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User currently offlineBlueFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3996 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 7542 times:
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Not that unusual either for SQ... For instance, there is a layover of over 10 hours at JFK between SQ26 and SQ25, an A380 spends over 10 hours too at SYD between SQ221 and SQ222, where a 744 also overnights. And yet the company isn't really losing money, is it ?


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User currently offlineDiscoverCSG From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 832 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 7415 times:



Quoting FlyingClrs727 (Reply 1):
That will make connections for the DME-IAH flight much easier. I don't quite understand why they want to wait 7 or 8 hours before starting the return trip.

As mentioned, it allows a shortish stop in Moscow and then a morning arrival at SIN.


User currently offlineEx_SQer From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 1436 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 7335 times:

This would not surprise me at all. When SQ has to make a choice between minimizing ground time and maximizing connections, the latter wins out 9 out of 10 times. As someone else correctly pointed out, the long layover is to allow the aircarft to arrive in SIN at a time when more regional connections can be made. The current 0945 departure ex-SIN and 1145 arrival into SIN don't allow for quite a few connections. More significantly, the revised timings, if they occur, will allow SQ, on the inbound sector, to connect to stations with significant oil/mining traffic such as Brunei, Palembang, Balikpapan, and Perth.

User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6140 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 7291 times:

If this aircraft is to arrive at 1230p, then this means it will depart SIN at 545a. This doesn't seem very connection friendly.

Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 2):

Take into consideration that its really not uncommon practice amongst International carriers to do this. With the long flight and time changes, its almost needed. Here at SFO we have QF/NZ/CX all sitting +7 hrs.

ASSFO



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User currently offlineETA Unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2077 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 7247 times:

I can vouch there is no IAH-BWN traffic!

User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32777 posts, RR: 72
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 7199 times:

If true, it is good to see an airline take pro-active states to make a poor performing route work, rather than the "just drop it" trend we are seeing these days.


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User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 7071 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10):
If true, it is good to see an airline take pro-active states to make a poor performing route work, rather than the "just drop it" trend we are seeing these days.

Airlines that make money are the ones who are able to move routes and times around, without hurting their good financials. Other airlines can't "afford" to do so, and "just drop it" is the best idea.



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User currently offlineLear777 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 290 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7024 times:



Quoting ETA Unknown (Reply 9):
I can vouch there is no IAH-BWN traffic!

Funny you should mention this, because my parents who live in Bandar have been struggling for a good way to get home to Houston ever since the SQ SIN-LAX went all biz class and the prices shot up. The SQ service BWN-SIN-DME-IAH has been a blessing, and they've used it frequently. Granted this is anecdotal, but they are usually joined by a number of people flying all the way from BWN to Houston...who knew?

When you're that far away from home, at lot of strange routings suddenly make sense.

I suspect the timings will change on this flight, and a few folks at the airport seem very optimistic. It's a pretty "niche" market, and will take some time to develop. Hang in there...

Brian



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User currently offlineDocPepz From Singapore, joined May 2001, 1971 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7024 times:

SQ should switch to the following timings (and aircraft rotations for the 77W)

SQ234 SYD-SIN Arrive SIN 2350

SIN-DME 0140- 0825

DME-IAH 0955 – 1315

IAH-DME 1800 - 1350 +1

DMESIN 1520 - 0535 +2

SQ233 SINSYD Depart SIN 0700

The 77W can be rotated SQ233 to SYD/SQ234 from SYD /SQ62/SQ61/SQ233.........

This opens a huge number of connections. SYDDME, AKLDME, ALL of South East Asia to IAH etc..... The present schedules don't allow for connections at the SIN end and IAH end. Pretty silly!


User currently offlineCOflyerBOS From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5835 times:

DocPepz-

That is a schedule that makes so much more sense. Singapore's hub is much more of a 24 hours operation than IAH. Allowing for connections on both ends just seems logical. Hopefully it will help.

Plus, it would make it easier to spot the beauty of the 773 at IAH!


User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6170 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5681 times:

Well, if SQ are thinking of doing this then I surmise the following
1) SQ recognize they have a LF problem, but a fixable problem
2) are going to give the route a chance to develop
3) cargo is doing well enough to subsidize the route for the time being
4) have been getting feedback during their Houston door knocking of the sort "well this is a great flight for us, and would definitely buy a couple Js per month, but we need for you to retime it to allow our engineers to get to an from CRP without having to overnight in IAH"
5) may enter in a codeshare with CO on some CO oil routes...CRP, DFW, MSY, POS etc...



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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5190 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5613 times:

This retiming would also benefit greatly from CO entering into Star Alliance...if that happens.


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25300 posts, RR: 22
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5161 times:



Quoting AS739X (Reply 8):
If this aircraft is to arrive at 1230p, then this means it will depart SIN at 545a. This doesn't seem very connection friendly.

No, the change would mean departing SIN just after midnight, similar to most other eastbound flights from that area to Europe and beyond. Current SIN-IAH times 0945-2125 so if you back up the arrival time in IAH by 9 hours it means departing SIN 9 hours earlier, or 0045. Permits much better connections at both SIN and IAH than the current schedule.


User currently offlineSQ452 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4813 times:

About freaking time SQ brass took their heads out of the sand and saw the light on the problem with their arrival time!

Quoting BlueFlyer (Reply 5):
Not that unusual either for SQ... For instance, there is a layover of over 10 hours at JFK between SQ26 and SQ25, an A380 spends over 10 hours too at SYD between SQ221 and SQ222, where a 744 also overnights. And yet the company isn't really losing money, is it ?

Not in the grand scheme of things but we all know the loads on IAH>DME>SIN have been less than stellar on the passenger side so on this route they may be losing some $, switching arrival time could be an indication of that. IMHO, SQ should have done the daytime arrival from the get-go to at least allow connecting traffic onwards which will now happen.

This should now also mean the departure time is more in line with the rest of Europe>America services (specifically SIN>FRA>JFK) with departure from Singapore in the evening sometime vs. the "daylight chasing" flight they have now with the 9:00 AM departure, I just realized you never have night on that flight as you constantly are in daylight....rough!

Sometimes, SQ never gets it right on the first go around and has a lack of ability to see problems and issues developing in advance of when they launch something new (case in point, original spacebed seats with the trays and armrest issues; weird arrival time in IAH). most people were quite puzzled on this forum when the service was launched as to the late arrival time in IAH not allowing for many onward connections...now we know (if this is true) management at SQ finally had the lightbulb go off in their head...they would have saved themselves the pain if they had just gotten it right in advance on the first go around. Couple of people that I have spoken to that have worked/work for SQ confirm that they have a very "one-track" decision making process internally where they tend to disregard things like this and don't look at external factors and it winds up biting them in the rear later on...

Don't get me wrong, I love SQ, I love the airline...but sometimes they just need to be smarter in some of their decisions.

glad to see they may finally be getting it right...hope the route does better



SIN > CVG > BOS
User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13742 posts, RR: 19
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4395 times:

Singapore Airlines is rescheduling flights to Houston with effect from 02 August 2008.

Departs SIN 0215
Arrives DME 0900
Departs DME 1030
Arrives IAH 1350

Departs IAH 1750
Arrives DME 1410 +1
Departs DME 1520 +1
Arrives SIN 0535 +2



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17491 posts, RR: 45
Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4379 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 17):
Permits much better connections at both SIN and IAH than the current schedule.

I'm not convinced SQ will pick up any connections in IAH since CO is not a partner (yet?) and any major connections are probably much better served by a less circuitous routing.



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User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16865 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4325 times:



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 20):
I'm not convinced SQ will pick up any connections in IAH since CO is not a partner (yet?)

With UAL breaking off merger talks with US the alliance talks between CO and UAL have heated up again, CO is defiantly leaving Skyteam. The most likely alliance for CO will be Star, if this does happen there will be opportunities to connect SQ's routes to EWR and IAH with CO's hub operations.



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User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4283 times:

This move by SQ is at the moment more directed to give better connections for Russians in SQ. MOS-OZ because much better accessible with this new schedule.

User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3954 posts, RR: 22
Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 4118 times:

Looks like this rumor is gaining some traction, as it is now showing up on Flyertalk, though with vastly different times and start up dates from my original post. That said, it is still a rumor at this point until SQ confirms it via an official announcement or loading the new skeds onto their website. From IAH Spotters.....

Re: SQ retimimg IAH for daytime ops?

There's a post over at Flyertalk that says the SQ flight times have
changed.

Depart SIN 2:15am Arrive IAH 2:50pm
Depart IAH 5:50pm Arrive SIN 5:35am

He says it starts August 2.

He got the new schedule from expertflyer.com. I'm not a member there
so I can't verify but SQ's website still has the old schedule loaded.

We'll see if it turns out to be true
Jim



Thomas



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User currently offlineLear777 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 290 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4109 times:

The time change is true; will be loaded into schedules this weekend. It will now start arriving and departing along with the primary Euro rush.

Brian



Go Astros!
25 Singapore_Air : My times are confirmed.
26 Thomasphoto60 : As we say in Texas......HOT DAMN! SQ 62/61 might get a chance to survive. Looks like the arrival and departure times are smack in the middle of the b
27 Viscount724 : I'm sure SQ has an interline agreement with CO and probably sells quite a few connections via IAH even with CO not being in the same alliance. With C
28 Drerx7 : I know the times work for us Spotters!
29 MaverickM11 : It currently only connects to one flight westbound, and CCS is a lot easier to get to via one stop over Europe.
30 Jfk777 : OF all the possible interior points in the USA Singapore Airlines could fly to why Houston ? With Emirates and Qatar going to IAH, does SQ need to a p
31 Thomasphoto60 : They tried, it didn't work. Thomas
32 JoFMO : Wasn't the route SIN-AMS-ORD canceled in the aftermath of 9/11?
33 Yellowtail : one word >>>>>> OIL With the oil industry going gangbusters today...Houston probably has the best J and F market in the country. Big reason why BA, K
34 Yellowtail : checking back in...have their loads improved at all now?
35 Singapore_Air : Singapore Airlines has been negotiating with US domestic carriers for increased connectivity to and from Houston. With Continental Airlines signalling
36 MaverickM11 : It's still geographically undesirable connection to just about anything that you can think of over IAH
37 CO777ER : They will now w/ CO joining *A
38 Singapore_Air : ?
39 SQ452 :
40 MaverickM11 : SIN-DME-IAH is already about 1000nm longer than an alternative over Asia, and pretty much anything you want to connect to out of IAH is going to be t
41 COflyerBOS : But you'd be assuming that all of the traffic would be going to SIN. SQ can connect TONS of oil rich cities with DME via IAH. The people willing to fl
42 MaverickM11 : SQ has no allegiance in places like CRP or UIO; why would a business choose to fly (and earn miles on) a standalone SQ flight to DME when they can fl
43 COflyerBOS : SQ might not have allegiance at CRP or UIO, but CO does. And, if CO switched to Star Alliance, they'd have a defacto allegiance to SQ. Also, to use yo
44 MaverickM11 : This is true, but SQ is going to have to wait a while for that
45 Hohd : The route will struggle until CO has an agreement with SQ or joins *A. The timings change might help. Still EK is doing better (on IAH-DXB) as they ha
46 Yellowtail : and cargo....cargo seems to be a bright spot.
47 MaverickM11 : seems to be the only spot for now
48 Singapore_Air : I'd disagree actually. I think the mix of passengers is also very important and one should also consider that when making judgements over a route's s
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