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SkyMiles / WorldPerks Merger  
User currently offlineJSquared From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 149 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 2 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4753 times:

Two questions...
1) Anybody have any insight on how the merger of miles between DL & NW will go down, and what the new mileage program will be called (likely SkyMiles)? Sounds like it will be a simple combination, so not too much to worry about.

2) This article from the StarTribune talks about how US Bank's credit & check card tie-ins with the WorldPerks program will likely lose a battle with American Express' SkyMiles card. Anybody have any ideas on potential outcomes? Is there any way both will survive, perhaps then offering a choice between a Visa and an AMEX card? Here's hoping US Bank can hold on...
http://www.startribune.com/business/...33244.html?location_refer=Business

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User currently offlineJetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2763 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4670 times:
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I hope the program ends up being like Worldperks. In my opinion its the best. As for the credit card I am pretty sure AMEX will win that battle.
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User currently offlineMptpa From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 545 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4608 times:

May be they should make it a true merger... like SkyPerks or WorldMiles... and have both amex and Visa..Why not...

User currently offlineJetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2763 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4588 times:
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Quoting Mptpa (Reply 2):
May be they should make it a true merger... like SkyPerks or WorldMiles... and have both amex and Visa..Why not...

In theory its smart. They could sell miles to both and make some money. But they both probably want to be the exclusive credit card of Delta.
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User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1523 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4415 times:

I don't know much about WorldPerks or the Visa card, but I absolutely love my Delta Reserve card. My Amex is the best card I've ever used, and despite a hefty annual fee I think it's worth it. Like I said, I don't know much about WorldPerks in general, but I hope the "new" program works out well and that I get to keep my American Express.  Wink

User currently offlineMMEPHX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4232 times:

Based on the US/HP experience, the merging of FF accounts was relatively straight forward, everything just transferred to one single Dividend Miles account. I'm sure someone will pop up and say they lost a bazillion miles but it merged well for my accounts.

On the credit card front, the airlines usualy have long term defined duration deals for their cards and the card companies probably have no incentive to cut someone an escape deal, IIRC US tried to dump the Bank of America Visa Card when they launched the new Mastercard deal...and BoA protested so now they offer both until the BoA deal expires. So we could have a Worldperks Visa and a Skymiles AMEX around together for a while. I hope the Visa continues, I had a skymiles AMEX and dealing with AMEX customer service was a nightmare.


User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4220 times:

I would hope that they stick with Visa simply because it s more useful worldwide. Also Worldperks Visa in Japan is a Citi card. I can get money from an actual bank anywhere there is a CITI mark on the ATM. That has been a lifesaver.

As for worldperks miles. I just hope they don't put too many limits on things after a merger. I have been loyal to the program simply because it doesn't expire and lets me keep building my miles until I want to use them. I can share between my wife and daughter as well as transfer to family if needed.



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User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2273 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4172 times:

Add me to the list of people hoping to keep the Visa. Visa is pretty much taken anywhere in the world, American Express is not. Plus, I have no annual fee on my Worldperks Visa card, which is a huge benefit over AmEx. Hopefully they can work a deal to keep both cards out there.

User currently offlineDL767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4126 times:

I don't really know how the NW system works but i would imagine it works the same as any other airline's. 25K for the "saver" and 50K for the "non saver". Am I right?

Anyhow, I would think if they absolutely had to have an exclusive card Amex would win, personally i like Amex the best, they are an amazing credit card company, but there are still those few times where Amex is not accepted. If they did merge they would be the largest airline which would seem reasonable to have Amex and an alternative card to support everyone, someone like me could have a visa and amex with the same skymiles number so i wouldnt have to worry about my card not being accepted and wasting points.

I think Skyperks has a nice ring to it but i have a feeling they will go with skymiles.


User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4079 times:



Quoting Mptpa (Reply 2):
SkyPerks

I actually think that is pretty good, and could work well.



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8894 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3917 times:

I doubt the Amex is going anywhere - American Express is much larger than US Bank and has a ton of sway over DL (they're one of DL's creditors and were instrumental in DL's bankruptcy process). I just can't see AmEx not being the DL card.

As for places where AmEx is not accepted, it's less common than you'd think. A lot of small places are Visa/MC only, but pretty much every major retailer out there takes AmEx.

As for programs, DL and NW are pretty similar already. Elite thresholds are 25k/50k/75k for Silver/Gold/Platinum, all elites get unlimited upgrades, including upgrades at the time of ticketing on full-Y tickets. NW has some things that DL doesn't have, such as Plat/Gold upgrades on award tickets, Elite ExtraPerks (DL has done stuff like this in the past though), higher mileage bonuses (50% on NW, 25% on DL for Silvers; 125%/100% NW/DL for Plats; Golds are both 100%), a few fee waivers for Golds on NW (only Plats on DL get the waivers). I'd expect some combination of these to occur - for example, I could see the Silver bonus going to 25% but the Plat bonus going to 125% after the merger; likewise, I could see a lot of perks for Golds going away but keeping them for Plats (fees will happen; maybe on the award upgrades, etc.). All DL Plats also get 6 PMUs while NW Plats don't get those (unless through Elite ExtraPerks) so I'd expect those to stay (but with their same restrictions of having to buy a near full fare).


User currently offlineIronDuke08 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3746 times:



Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 10):
I doubt the Amex is going anywhere - American Express is much larger than US Bank and has a ton of sway over DL (they're one of DL's creditors and were instrumental in DL's bankruptcy process). I just can't see AmEx not being the DL card.

I think AmEx bought hundreds of millions of dollars worth of SkyMiles (for their cards) in advance to help Delta's cash flow during Ch. 11.


User currently offlineJetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2763 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3582 times:
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Quoting DL767captain (Reply 8):
don't really know how the NW system works but i would imagine it works the same as any other airline's. 25K for the "saver" and 50K for the "non saver". Am I right?

That is correct. The only problem is you can never get a ticket for 25,000! My step dad tried to get one from at a time when no one travels and yet it was still 50,000!
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User currently offlineFalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6075 posts, RR: 29
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3423 times:
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Quoting Jetblueguy22 (Reply 12):
The only problem is you can never get a ticket for 25,000! My step dad tried to get one from at a time when no one travels and yet it was still 50,000!

I've got a 25,000 mile ticket twice and and 50,000 TATL ticket once.



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8894 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3375 times:



Quoting Jetblueguy22 (Reply 12):

That is correct. The only problem is you can never get a ticket for 25,000! My step dad tried to get one from at a time when no one travels and yet it was still 50,000!

I've used my SkyMiles several times on NW (DL miles can only be used for Saver tickets on NW and if DL has access to NW saver capacity, then those same seats can be grabbed by WorldPerks members).

If you want to go to MCO during winter/spring break, then yes, you have to plan early though. You can't just wait 3 months out and assume that award seats are going to be there for the taking.


User currently offlineGsosbee From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 825 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3302 times:



Quoting Mptpa (Reply 2):
and have both amex and Visa..Why not...

Not the way these things work. There will be one card - the one who pays Delta the most.


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