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Could Milk Runs Make A Come Back?  
User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4224 times:

Do you think it would make more sense to run multistop flights again than half emty point to point ones with the rising fuel?

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User currently offlineRamperYHZ From Canada, joined May 2008, 17 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3973 times:

WS has been doing this all along, and they had a pretty good profit Q1-2008. An example would be WS 197, which operates YHZ-YYZ-YEG-YLW-YYJ, and yes we do get YLW and YYJ direct passengers out of YHZ despite the fact that it would be much easier (albeit more expensive) to fly to either YYC or YEG direct (flights 229 and 391 respectively) and then connect at one of those airports to either YLW or YYJ.

User currently offlineSeansasLCY From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2007, 867 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3834 times:

EK operate a few such services like DXB-BKK-HKG, DXB-CGK-KUL, DXB-CMB-SIN.

User currently offlineAirnerd From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 255 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3613 times:

At a regional level this is already happening at QX with their many "triangle" routes. And now that they are getting rid of all their 37 seat aircraft in favor of the more efficient 76 seaters, we'll see more of these. I wouldn't be surprised to see the "triangles" become more like "quadrilaterals" with additional stops inserted.

User currently offlineSilentbob From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2103 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3525 times:

It should be happening into LGA. It doesn't make sense to have so many small aircraft flying into a chronically congested airport.

User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3466 times:



Quoting 777way (Thread starter):
Do you think it would make more sense to run multistop flights again than half emty point to point ones with the rising fuel?

In the domestic US, oh God No!!!!!! A-B-C (Hub)...unless there is substantial demand from A-B like AUS-ELP-PHX, teh tag from A-B is a giant money loser, which is why they were dropped in the first place....ie PIA-MLI-DEN


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2911 times:



Quoting SeansasLCY (Reply 2):
EK operate a few such services like DXB-BKK-HKG, DXB-CGK-KUL, DXB-CMB-SIN.

Can one stop between point A and B considered milk run? I thought you have to have atleast two stops in between like Cathay Pacific doing HKG-BKK-BOM-DXB.


User currently offlineMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 873 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2155 times:

Lets not forget guys, LUV does it and they make pretty sizable profits!

You forgot another EK "milk run" : DXB-ADD-EBB



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User currently offlineFolov From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 170 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2105 times:

During the winter TN stop in LAX from JFK to pick up some pax.

TN202 PPT/LAX/JFK to drop off LAX pax then
TN201 JFK/LAX/PPT to pick up pax from LAX

The LAX/PPT flight would be full, the JFK/PPT would enjoy plenty of seat on the JFK/LAX leg. T

But the last flight was on the 30may, in JUNE TN will run PPT/JFK nonstop on a 340-300


User currently offlineAerorobNZ From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7189 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2105 times:



Quoting SeansasLCY (Reply 2):
EK operate a few such services like DXB-BKK-HKG, DXB-CGK-KUL, DXB-CMB-SIN.

And longer DXB-BKK-SYD-AKL and DXB-SIN-BNE-AKL.

Actually I think that yes over the next few years those kinds of flights will make a bit of a comeback as smaller aircraft more traditionally associated with short haul are brought out with ER capabilities like the 737-900ER and A319ER. These could be used on longer flights instead of larger aircraft, as carriers try to offset the price of fuel against empty seats and wasted payload. This will particularly be the case with the small-medium sized carriers I think. Already we see airlines needing a minimum of 70% pax load just to cover the fuel bill before any crewing costs , cargo profits and passenger yields are taken into account, that will only increase in the current climate.


User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2068 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 5):
In the domestic US, oh God No!!!!!!

Eh? sorry, but hmmmm! is there an INTERNATIONAL US?


User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32782 posts, RR: 72
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2054 times:

A one-stop flight isn't a "milk run."

A milk run is a multi-stop flight, like Air France's MIA-PAP-FDF-PTP-CAY flight which takes longer to complete than the non-stop ORY-CAY.

[Edited 2008-05-31 03:14:35]


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User currently offlineR2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2630 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2016 times:

Dumb question: why do they call them "milk runs"?

User currently offlineMMEPHX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1864 times:



Quoting R2rho (Reply 12):
Dumb question: why do they call them "milk runs"?

The most common definition is that milk run is a routine, uneventful sortie derived from the days when trains delivered milk each morning to multiple locations in the same regular, uneventful pattern day after day.

on the topic, if oil continues at high prices and some smaller stations that currently have non-stop service in small RJs/props want to continue a viable airlink then they may have to accept a milk run style service. Maybe not convenient but if that is what it takes to keep service I'm sure many places would take it.


User currently offlineXT6Wagon From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 3409 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1859 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 11):

A one-stop flight isn't a "milk run."

A milk run is a multi-stop flight, like Air France's MIA-PAP-FDF-PTP-CAY flight which takes longer to complete than the non-stop ORY-CAY.

Almost all of WN's flights are "milk runs" if you view it from the perspective of the airframe and/or crew. However they are ALSO structured so the passenger has as many 0 and 1 stop flights between thier desired city pairs.


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