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CO Says: May Pull Out Of SkyTeam  
User currently offlinePNQIAD From India, joined May 2006, 585 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 11613 times:

Continental says it may leave the SkyTeam alliance

Quote:

Continental Airlines said Friday it is reviewing potential new alliances and that it may terminate its current membership in the SkyTeam alliance. "We are considering alternatives to SkyTeam as we carefully evaluate which major global alliance will be best for Continental over the long term," said Dave Messing, a spokesman with Continental, in an email. An alliance is a cooperative venture between airlines for reducing costs and benefiting customers.

Looks like UA-CO relationship may be closer and more realistic with this news and the one that UA-US talk have broken up. Looks like quite a pre-cursor to eventual CO entry into *A. The question then remains is will US be kicked out / leave?

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User currently offlineAvek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4282 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 11509 times:



Quoting PNQIAD (Thread starter):
Looks like UA-CO relationship may be closer and more realistic with this news and the one that UA-US talk have broken up. Looks like quite a pre-cursor to eventual CO entry into *A. The question then remains is will US be kicked out / leave?

CO stated that it is reviewing its membership in SkyTeam and its alliances with DL and NW the same day that DL and Nw announced their merger. This is really nothing new.



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User currently offlineMiaami From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 506 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 11420 times:

AA should be doing whatever is possible to get CO to allign with them. A AA/BA/CO alliance would be a better alliance IMO

User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 10977 times:



Quoting PNQIAD (Thread starter):
The question then remains is will US be kicked out / leave?

Why would Star want to kick US out of the alliance? US would not detract from the alliance even if CO were to join.


User currently offlineFlySSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7379 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 10516 times:

CO may not pull out of ST ... They WILL pull out.

They have actually never been very involved in the Alliance like DL is ... and losing CO will not be a big ost for ST and ST partners. AF was much more afraid to lose DL if their merging with NW would have failed.

CO is out of the Joint Venture AF-KL-NW-DL and it was never planned that they could join it one day.


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7321 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 9909 times:

Being in Skyteam was never in CO's best interest anyway. They would be a better fit in Star although they might join OneWorld. I fly CO fairly regularly, and I for one wont miss Skyteam at all.


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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5062 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 9877 times:

I won't miss SkyTeam either. Delta is probably my least favorite carrier and I only use Northwest when I want to get a few more OnePass miles by changing planes. Hopefully they join Star Alliance over OneWorld. Continental and American overlap so much I don't really see how they would benefit each other from a domestic standpoint.


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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7321 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 9697 times:



Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 6):
Continental and American overlap so much I don't really see how they would benefit each other from a domestic standpoint.

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CO and AA are my favorite carriers and as much as I would love to see CO go with OneWorld, I think Star would be a better fit.



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User currently offlinePRAirbus From Puerto Rico, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 1105 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 9656 times:

oneworld! oneworld! oneworld! oneworld!!!

User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 9546 times:

To me, CO always seemed like a third wheel amongst the three US carriers in SkyTeam. They really don't bring much to the table other than some of their US-Europe service out of EWR and some of their destinations in the Pacific. They essentially tagged along with NW and KLM.

I think that they may not join another alliance at all. They may do codeshare deals here and there when it is beneficial to them. They may feel that they are strong enough to not need to be aligned with a bunch of carriers in a massive global alliance.

Looking at the other two alliances, OneWorld may be the best fit for them. Joining the Star Alliance would either make them another domestic third wheel or it may render US Airways the third wheel. Either way, someone's not going to be happy.


User currently offlineUadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 9146 times:

oneworld! oneworld! oneworld! oneworld!!!

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could not have said it better!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5062 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 9071 times:



Quoting Srbmod (Reply 9):
or it may render US Airways the third wheel.

I can live with that...
The only thing about OneWorld is the domestic overlap between American and Continental. Houston/Dallas, New York/Newark, Chicago/Cleveland - no real west stronghold. They would heavily bolster the South/Latin American and Caribbean markets though. Maybe JAL would start IAH ops...but other than that; I'm not particularly enthused about a Continental in OneWorld.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22304 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 8950 times:



Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 11):
They would heavily bolster the South/Latin American and Caribbean markets though.

I don't know. With AA already in One World, I'm not sure they need a bunch of RJ flights to Mexico to bolster their Latin American exposure. Star would benefit far more from CO, and CO would arguably benefit more from Star (with or without US).



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User currently offlineDiscoverCSG From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 812 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 8931 times:



Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 11):
Quoting Srbmod (Reply 9):
or it may render US Airways the third wheel.

I can live with that...
The only thing about OneWorld is the domestic overlap between American and Continental. Houston/Dallas, New York/Newark, Chicago/Cleveland - no real west stronghold. They would heavily bolster the South/Latin American and Caribbean markets though. Maybe JAL would start IAH ops...but other than that; I'm not particularly enthused about a Continental in OneWorld.

I'm not, either. If CO leaves SkyTeam, they need to go to Star. Star would benefit from once again having a NYC hub (in a big way, to boot!), a south-central hub (energy/O&D-rich IAH!), and CO's international network, particularly transatlantic and Latin American routes. CO would have much better overseas partnerships, especially in Asia, where the GUM hub would complement (without replacing) NRT, ICN, SIN, BKK, etc.


User currently offlineERAUgrad02 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 8674 times:

I would think CO would have to pull from Sky Team being that it would kind of be conflict of intrest to to an alliance with a Star member.


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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 8684 times:

CO in OneWorld would be as redundant as CO in SkyTeam. Continental brings nothing to OneWorld's table that they don't already have.

But Star Alliance offers:

  • Pacific access - CoMike overlaid with UA's Pacific routes covers the region VERY nicely.

  • West Coast access - SFO and LAX are regions where CO has presence, but no feed.

  • Pacific & Mountain Time Zone feed access - SFO, LAX, DEN, and PHX.

    Continental brings:

  • DESPERATELY needed NYC metro area access

  • Latin America access

    Continental in Star Alliance would bring coverage to virtually all of the Pacific, most of Latin America, and not just Europe, but some of the smaller cities that can be done profitably from the NYC area.

    "Hubs" for Star Alliance would be GUM, SFO, LAX (somewhat), PHX, DEN, ORD, IAH, IAD, PHL, CLE, and EWR.

    It's the best "overlay" and most compatible match there is, route-wise.



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    User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16693 posts, RR: 51
    Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7649 times:

    Looks like CO and UAL are talking again, this time about an Alliance which would bring CO into Star. CO forming an alliance similar to the one they have had with NWA for the last 10 years, plus CO joining Star would be very lucrative for all parties.

    SQ for instance can coordinate their schedules and re-time their flights to connect better with CO's banks at EWR and IAH.

    Quote:
    United seeks marketing ties with Continental
    By Justin Baer in New York
    Friday May 30 2008 16:15
    United Airlines turned its attention to securing a marketing alliance with Continental Airlines (NYSE:CAL) after the carrier shelved merger talks with another rival, US Airways, over concerns that the costs to combine the companies would be too great.

    United has made progress in forging closer ties with Continental and may reach an agreement by mid-June, people familiar with the matter said.

    While American Airlines and British Airways are also courting Continental, the carrier views United's route network as the better fit, the people said.

    http://us.ft.com/ftgateway/superpage...725192464&referrer_id=yahoofinance



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    User currently offlineUadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 10
    Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7512 times:

    is there any CO cheerleaders in here that think that a tie-up with UA is a bad idea???this is probably the most bone headed move that larry could pull off...there is not one CO fan in here that has said one positive thing about UA in the past, they have terrible customer service and they can not run a flight on time to save them selves....why CO would want to join that is beyond me and im sure alot of CO fans in here........and low and behold now everyone is applauding larry and his gang on smith street for hooking up with UAL...remember the "beloved" uncle gordo a few years back saying at a airline conference in phoenix that ual was "A+"...UAL is still around and CO has become a step child in skyteam....let them go at it alone if they are the great airline that some have proclaimed...they dont need any alliances right???


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    User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
    Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7492 times:



    Quoting STT757 (Reply 16):
    While American Airlines and British Airways are also courting Continental, the carrier views United's route network as the better fit, the people said.

    That sums it up quite well, doesn't it?

    Star, Star, Star... Wink


    User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7321 posts, RR: 24
    Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7487 times:



    Quoting Uadc8contrail (Reply 17):

    is there any CO cheerleaders in here that think that a tie-up with UA is a bad idea???this is probably the most bone headed move that larry could pull off...there is not one CO fan in here that has said one positive thing about UA in the past, they have terrible customer service and they can not run a flight on time to save them selves....why CO would want to join that is beyond me and im sure alot of CO fans in here........and low and behold now everyone is applauding larry and his gang on smith street for hooking up with UAL...remember the "beloved" uncle gordo a few years back saying at a airline conference in phoenix that ual was "A+"...UAL is still around and CO has become a step child in skyteam....let them go at it alone if they are the great airline that some have proclaimed...they dont need any alliances right???

    Theres a difference between an all out merger and an alliance. CO doesnt want to merge with UA, but they would like to have an alliance with them. UA has the best route structure of any of the legacies as well as a great Asia network. CO has a superb Latin America hub, a great Europe hub, and great service. They both have weakness and strengths that would go great together. That being said, I also believe a merger would be a horrible idea. Lets face it, its hard to pull off a merger when your finances arent in the best of order. It can only drag down both carriers. With an alliance you get the best of both worlds. A good route structure with none of that painful intergration.

    Thats why CO fans shuddered at the idea of a merger, but like the idea of an alliance.



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    User currently offlineUadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 10
    Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7468 times:

    LAX,
    why would you want your customers to experience the horrible wrath that would ensue when they fly united????



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    User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3420 posts, RR: 0
    Reply 21, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7440 times:

    Quoting Uadc8contrail (Reply 20):
    LAX,
    why would you want your customers to experience the horrible wrath that would ensue when they fly united????


    At least the customers with UA would be able to get to places such as SYD and MEL without connecting in ICN on Skyteam.

    Also, remember that Star is much more than UA. Think SQ, TG, NZ, LH, and other high quality carriers.

    [Edited 2008-05-30 22:04:39]

    User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7430 times:



    Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 15):
    "Hubs" for Star Alliance would be GUM, SFO, LAX (somewhat), PHX, DEN, ORD, IAH, IAD, PHL, CLE, and EWR.

    You forgot CLT.

    Of the two, OneWorld and Star, Star seems like the best fit. But even then, Star Alliance is pretty big already and even there CO could produce some redundancy.

    CO is a good enough carrier though- would they stand alone without being in any alliance?


    User currently offlineUadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 10
    Reply 23, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7415 times:

    travelin,
    so your saying to the CO pax....fly non stop to oz vs go thru korea.....i dont know what is worse....ual non stop or a round about way to oz via korea......i would put up with a 14 hr trip non stop as long as i had my 10mg ambien instead of going thru icn....



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    User currently offline3holeflyer From United States of America, joined May 2008, 30 posts, RR: 0
    Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7342 times:

    I fly both UA & US regularly. What is the when, why & how US came to join *A? If there are things in common among the members, US would appear to have the fewest.

    25 Travelin man : Yes, fly non-stop on UA. OR fly NZ through AKL. OR fly NH through NRT. OR fly SQ through SIN. OR TG through BKK. OR OZ through ICN. Lots of options b
    26 LAXdude1023 : Because UA can take you to places that CO cant and vice-versa. Thats the importance of alliances. Sharing the route networks. Do you think that peopl
    27 WesternA318 : I for one an hoping for Star Alliance, then I can fly US and earn CO points as well!
    28 PlanesNTrains : To sum it up, you don't like UA. We get it. Can we now move on? -Dave
    29 JFK787NYC : AA & CO in the same alliance is exactly the same maybe even worse then CO & DL in the same alliance CO & AA have great latin american hub's setup tha
    30 Bobnwa : Again I will ask, why would Star want to kick out US Airways? This statement has been made a few times but never explained. Please explain.
    31 Avek00 : US entered the Star Alliance with an essential condition of membership that the codesharing alliance between UA and US be kept in place. If United te
    32 STT757 : Alliance no, Merger yes. It's not so much exposing CO travelers to UAL's horrible service, rather it's exposing UAL's travelers to CO's better servic
    33 JoFMO : Each Star member is obliged to have a certain amount of codeshare flights with other Star carriers. If UA and US cancel their codeshare agreement it
    34 MasseyBrown : Plus, I think CO in particular knows that UA's lousy service and reputation can be repaired. Additionally, CO could reconsider the merger idea in a f
    35 Davescj : If CO joins *A, it would be interesting to see how much domestic traffic they'd pick up from the various other *A flying into NYC, IAH other destinati
    36 Zone1 : I really don't understand why there are so many kool aid folks when it comes to CO. I fly UA more than CO and have had more problems with CO than UA.
    37 LAXintl : There is absolutely so such requirement. Look at SQ for instance whom basically does not like to codeshare. Codeshares are strictly bilateral agreeme
    38 LAXdude1023 : Everything is subjective. There are people on here who hate CO and love UA and vice-versa. Everyone has their favorites and everyone has had particul
    39 Post contains links JoFMO : I very much think so. That is the reason why Mexicana had to leave the alliance. After terminating the codeshare agreement with UA they fell under th
    40 United1 : If I remember right Mexicana left because of a dispute between United and Mexicana over United adding flights to Mexico, I don't think that there is
    41 EMB170 : NNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! CO, say it ain't so! Stay in SkyTeam! Don't make me choose between you and DL! On a more serious note, if they
    42 Avek00 : The government likely will not require a termination of the UA/US alliance, but the US value proposition to UA has already greatly decreased with tim
    43 JoFMO : There we disagree, but I have no better source to back it up than the one mentioned before. But you might be right in regard to the USA. It is well p
    44 Cubsrule : Both UA and CO can do good service when they want to. The difference between CO and UA is that CO feels that an enhanced level of service is necessar
    45 AznMadSci : Since CO is not going bankrupt or being bought out, at this time and hope never, they would give that few months to one year transition going from Sk
    46 Cubsrule : Presumably food... I'm not actually sure what the CO cheerleaders refer to (I'm not one of them.)
    47 United1 : Hes probably referring to free food in Y as CO serves snacks/meals on flights over 2 hours where UA offers the snack boxes for purchase on flights ov
    48 MasseyBrown : I don't think UA can promise much, even if they want to, until they upgrade the appearance and condition of their international aircraft cabins. I re
    49 United1 : It should by the end of next year (18 months from now), 26 months to retrofit 97 aircraft is not exactly moving slowly, and the soft product last I h
    50 COflyerBOS : The best thing about Continental is consistency. It starts with a relatively new fleet compared to other US legacies. That's made all the better by th
    51 Burkhard : CO as one of the few quality airlines in the US in Star would well fit to the others, and be a thread to UA/US to either improve or loose market share
    52 JoFMO : Much would depend if they can an anti trust agreement with joint operation with LH. Otherwise I would not see too much problems for UA. Especially si
    53 PVG : I hear that it's going to be pushed back to end 2010 as they are having problems with the AVOD systems on the new seats and they need time to sort th
    54 Cubsrule : But it depends on what matters to you... if it's newspapers (in Y), for instance, you're better off flying UA, at least on Business One routes.
    55 STT757 : CO/LH codesharing would be lucrative for both, LH can put their codes on CGN, HAM, TXL-EWR and CO can put their code on EWR-DUS, EWR-MUC as well as I
    56 Copter808 : Ahh,but this might just be temporary, until CO gets the 787s and can fly IAH-SYD with their own metal.
    57 Zone1 : Now that's a new CO fanboy argument... their planes all have the same livery! UA's cabins generally have the same feel. All mainline planes have Y+ a
    58 TymnBalewne : Actually a BA/CO alliance would be great. AA/BA isn't as rosey as one might think.
    59 VV701 : Could be both CO and AA. Here is an extract from 16 May BA Press Release quoting BA CEO Willie Walsh: "Earlier this month we announced that we were i
    60 Bobnwa : And how did you come to that conclusion?
    61 JoFMO : Too much overlap. AA and BA can't even get ATI without CO. No way way they would get ATI as a threesome. And AA and BA would get it, CO would suddenl
    62 Bobnwa : Didn't you just contradict yourself about three times?
    63 JoFMO : Must have been one of my brighter moments... I did certainly want to say: Too much overlap. AA and BA can't even get ATI without CO. No way way they
    64 BALHRWWCC : Exactly why a tie up would be in both of there best interests. AA and CO could enter a JSA (like BA and QF sucessfully operate) on the overlapping ro
    65 Cubsrule : Given recent precedent (DL/NW/AF/KL) as well as Open Skies-- another new development, it's not at all clear that AA-BA ATI still presents a problem.
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