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TACA Landing Accident In Honduras  
User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 50263 times:

I'm watching CNN and they're showing a TA lane that just crashed in TGU.

Any info??


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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17066 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 50292 times:

What kind of a/c is it??? Havent heard/seen anything so far.


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User currently offlineSandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3428 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 50284 times:

Life here aswell, seems to have overrun the runway. "Only" injuries reported so far! Hoping for the best.

User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 50238 times:

124 pax on board, seems everyone is fine. Looks like a A320.


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User currently offlineSandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3428 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 50178 times:

TA 390 from El Salvador, according to CNN. Looks like an A320? Overshot the runway on landing.

User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 50169 times:

CNN claims bad weather caused the accident. Haven't heard if it crashed during landing or Take-off.

Definitively a write-off. Looks like if it stopped in a ditch or something like that. Broke in 2 pieces, right in front of the wing box.

JAAH



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17066 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 50168 times:



Quoting 777jaah (Reply 3):
124 pax on board, seems everyone is fine. Looks like a A320

Sounds great that everyone is fine.

What is the reason for the overrun?? Was the runway wet??



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17066 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 50108 times:



Quoting 777jaah (Reply 5):
Broke in 2 pieces, right in front of the wing box.

Any pics??



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User currently offlineXaapb From Mexico, joined Jan 2005, 438 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 50121 times:

One dead is reported apparently due to a heart condition after the accident, here is the link
http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/notas/510955.html
sorry it's only in Spanish.
RIP



Jorge Meneses
User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 50080 times:

Reg

EI-TAF ( From what I saw in the news).


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From what CNN is showing, there's no flames, so probably not too much fuel on board, this might indicate accident happened during landing.

JAAH



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User currently offlineCarmenlu15 From Guatemala, joined Dec 2004, 4758 posts, RR: 30
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 50032 times:

I knew it was a good idea to hit refresh before starting my own thread  Wink

So far I know it's flight TA390, flying the first leg of its regular route SAL-TGU-SAP-MIA.

From: http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/3987867/

Quote:
Tegucigalpa, Honduras. - Un avión de la compañía salvadoreña TACA se accidentó este viernes en Honduras, al salirse de la pista del aeropuerto capitalino de El Toncontin, informan las cadenas radiales noticiosas.

There's conflicting info everywhere... some sources report slight injuries, some others report serious injuries, a couple news sites state at least one fatality  eek 

Quoting B747forever (Reply 1):
What kind of a/c is it??? Havent heard/seen anything so far.

Airbus 320, capacity 150 pax (138 coach, 12 business). No idea what reg it is...

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 5):
Broke in 2 pieces, right in front of the wing box.

Holy Mother of God...  eyepopping 



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User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 49880 times:



Quoting Carmenlu15 (Reply 10):
Holy Mother of God...

Actually it doesn't looks that bad.

Reminded me of P5 E190 that overrun the rwy in SMR.


JAAH

edit: CNN just confirmed 1 dead. Identified as the President of the BCIE (Central American Bank of Economic Integration, IIRC).



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User currently offlineLegion242 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 49773 times:

Is this the airport in Honduras w/ the famous approach over those hills?


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User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 49696 times:



Quoting Legion242 (Reply 12):
Is this the airport in Honduras w/ the famous approach over those hills?

I think so. There's a video of a AA 757 landing, very nice if you ask me.


From the latest images, it seems that some cars were under the fwing. It seems the plane stopped on a road. Hopefully no one was injured int he ground.

JAAH



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User currently offlineXAAPB From Mexico, joined Jan 2005, 438 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 49599 times:



Quoting 777jaah (Reply 11):
Actually it doesn't looks that bad.

It dose look so bad, at least for me, the plane broke into 2 pieces and the flight deck looks totally crushed.



Jorge Meneses
User currently offlineOldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2091 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 49587 times:



Quoting 777jaah (Reply 13):
I think so. There's a video of a AA 757 landing, very nice if you ask me.



Axel



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User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 49480 times:



Quoting XAAPB (Reply 14):
It dose look so bad, at least for me, the plane broke into 2 pieces and the flight deck looks totally crushed.

From the left side of the plane (first images) doesn't. From the other side looks really bad.

Latest info on that: Both pilots seem to be stuck in the cockpit. Locals trying to ge tthem out. Hopefully they're fine, but they're lucky a fire never broke out.


JAAH



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User currently offlineXAAPB From Mexico, joined Jan 2005, 438 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 49335 times:



Quoting 777jaah (Reply 16):
but they're lucky a fire never broke out.

Extremely in deed, they are saying also that people are trapped in the cars below the airplane, hope those people are ok as well as the pilots.



Jorge Meneses
User currently offlineComeflywithme From Argentina, joined Sep 2006, 265 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 49283 times:

They are trying to smash their way in to the cockpit just now and reports of two victims so far.Looks to have come to a stop on a road.

User currently offlineCarmenlu15 From Guatemala, joined Dec 2004, 4758 posts, RR: 30
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 49260 times:

Live coverage on CNN here: http://edition.cnn.com/video/live/live.html?stream=stream2


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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 49183 times:



Quoting Legion242 (Reply 12):
Is this the airport in Honduras w/ the famous approach over those hills?

Yes. But I do have a question: If bad weather was responsible for this, why didn't they divert to SAP? I mean, if they were already on final approach at the time, they could have still aborted and diverted.


User currently offlineTomascubero From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2005, 525 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 49128 times:

Hey Guys,

EI-TAF confirmed, just finished its lease from Martinair and based in SJO for a long time, here are some screen caps from CNN en Espanol and TVC Honduras:











[Edited 2008-05-30 10:59:36]

User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3148 posts, RR: 57
Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 48997 times:

Reuters reported there might be up to 18 people dead.

So far confirmed: 1 dead (Centro American Integration Bank president), 15 injured.



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User currently offlineTrekster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 48927 times:

Yikes.

Im surprised if there wont be some bad injuries from people who were sitting just in front of the wing where the break was, still smoking as well but thankfuly no bad fire.


User currently offlineAACUN From Mexico, joined Jan 2004, 533 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 48780 times:
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I heard on CNN that the pilot was dead...... No more details..... Has this been confirmed?

25 B747forever : Wow, that pics looks horrible. Hope that it wont be too many fatalities. So how many reported dead now??
26 AR385 : Another airbus exiting the runway. Is there any similarity between this runway excursion and the TAM tragedy?
27 Mt99 : You make it sound like its a problem w Airbuses. A 737 from Southwest had something similar happen in Chicago a few years back.
28 B747forever : I doubt he really means that it is something wrong with Airbus a/cs
29 Flpuck6 : Hello to all, Having flown into this airport several times when I was younger ( on TAN/SAHSA / Aviateca / American) I am surprised there have not been
30 Viaggiare : According to TA this A320-233 came out of the assembly line on 01/04/2001. She had logged 21,957 flight hours and 9,992 landings as of yesterday.
31 NWA742 : Haven't seen it confirmed but looking at the crunched up nose section in the photos above, it wouldn't be surprising. Sadly, both of them may have be
32 Carmenlu15 : Second that... This hits so close to home, working in TA reservations was what started my interest in aviation, and several of my close friends still
33 Post contains links FRAspotter : The pilot has been confirmed as killed as well as at least one passenger. http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americ...05/30/honduras.crash.ap/index.html
34 Post contains links Fanofjets : According to the AP newswire, one of the pilots is dead as well. No further information about the persons trapped in the cars - let's hope for the bes
35 Post contains links SeeTheWorld : Now, they are saying three dead. http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=4965169
36 Post contains links Jmbarros12 : Yes, there is. PR-MBK that crashed in CGH last year was former N454TA with TACA, CN 789. http://www.airliners.net/photo/TAM/A...r=4&prev_id=1235728&n
37 Viaggiare : A number of media outlets are estimating more than 2,000 gallons spilled out. Perhaps because most TA pilots are pretty bold under similar circumstan
38 CURLYHEADBOY : Can anyone post some specs of the approach/runway? Is there an ILS? And if so what CAT is it?
39 Post contains links Juanchito : Airfield Data: Fire Category 7C Emergency Services: Fire Service Navigational Aids: VOR-DME, NDB Runway 1: Heading 02/20, 1 863m (6 112ft), 080/F/B/X/
40 Post contains links IBERIA747 : Yes. The Captain has been confirmed dead. According to the press, the first officer is in critical condition. R.I.P. http://www.laprensahn.com/index.
41 Ikramerica : Not really… As you pointed out in your question, a landing accident in bad weather is not caused by bad weather. It's caused by choosing to land in
42 Post contains images Tomascubero : No ILS, only VOR/DME approaches to both RWYs and a short runway: Tomas.[Edited 2008-05-30 12:38:56]
43 Juanchito : Gracias Tomas for the Charts Juanchito
44 RL757PVD : Id say its a miracle there was no fire... the AF A340 that burst into flames was more intact than this A320...
45 LGA777 : Very ironic this aicraft was lost just 8 landings short of 10,000. RIP to those who where lost today and my sympothy to all effected by this unfortun
46 Ludavid777 : There is no ILS in TGU, it's a visual approach, which is why if there is any kind of fog, smoke, or weather they close the airport... ILS is not poss
47 ADXMatt : I'm sure weather played a factor into this accident. I show on our Jepp Charts the landing mins are very high due to the difficult approach. The You T
48 David L : Apart from running off the end of the runway? I doubt anyone knows at this point. Last I heard about the TAM incident, one engine would need to have
49 Mt99 : Look at the Caution Box on the first chart from reply 42 "During rainy season RWY 02-20 touchdown zones extremely slippery"
50 B747forever : So sad, so sad. Hope the officer will survive at least.
51 Tomascubero : LCE does not have an ILS app, only VOR/DME, NDB/DME and NDB approaches to RWY07. No ILS for RTB also, only VOR/DME for RWY07 only. Furthermore, TGU o
52 Post contains links Viaggiare : French news agency Agence France-Presse is quoting former Honduran Minister of Industry and Commerce Mr. Norman Garcia (a pax on the ill-fated flight)
53 Tomascubero : Even though it says June-December, rainy season here in Central America started a few weeks back but WX has been affected along the whole of CA thank
54 SeeTheWorld : At the possibility of sounding like an a-hole, what about that fact is "ironic?" Interesting maybe, but ironic - I don't think so. There is so much i
55 Post contains images FlySSC : It reminds me the AOM-CUBANA DC10 (F-GTDI) crash at GUA (Guatemala City) in Dec. 1999. The accident is the result of an overshoot on a wet runway, wit
56 Post contains links and images ZSOFN :
57 Post contains images Mt99 : Similar to this one too.
58 EZEIZA : Wow, (according to the CNN report) the rwy is only 5300ft long, but the chart reads 6100ft?! Regardless, I'm surprised accidents such as this one don'
59 Robffm2 : There is a video on youtube about a similar accident of TACA in 1993.
60 Jmc1975 : Whoa! I flew on EI-TAF in Sep. 2006 from SAL to DFW!
61 MHTripple7 : Except for the fact that the TA A320 broke into pieces whereas that WN 737 was repaired and put back into service.
62 Mt99 : Well yea - but that is most likely due to the fact that the at MDW there is no "hole" (for lack of a better word) at the end of the runway.
63 CRFLY : Really sad to see this and my condolences to the families! I've been flying TACA a lot in the last 6 months, and I actually tried to fly them on Wedne
64 CURLYHEADBOY : Tomascubero, Ludavid777: Thank you for the info and charts of the airport. Airbus planes have a mode on the autopilot to fly non-precision approaches
65 Mt99 : All those airports have ILS though... As they say : "There is no bad weather - just bad equipment"
66 Post contains links and images Mandala499 : Would the speedbrakes retract? Or wasn't it deployed? 1 panel seems to be up. RIP to the victims... EI-TAF, stopped short of 10,000 landings Mandala4
67 ADXMatt : While the runway is 6109 feet the usable length at the touchdown point is 5410 ft when landing on runway 2. This is because you don't land where the
68 OPNLguy : The piece of concrete is 6,109 feet long, but there's a displaced threshold for landing with 5,410 feet available. See the first chart back in reply
69 David L : Flight Path Angle - "TRK/FPA"?
70 Post contains links Mortyman : According to this article in Norwegian media, 2 passangers died + one died in one of the cars that were hit... Big picture in the article: http://www.
71 CRFLY : I don't know if you guys know the airports here in Central America, especially GUA, SJO and TGU, but no matter if you have ILS or not, these airports
72 Litz : Gadzooks ... look at that dropoff from the airfield ... those people are amazingly lucky. That plane must have dropped like a stone went it went off
73 Snaiks : My condolences to theirfamilys, to sad to hear the second crash in central america in 2 days, what i heard is that the pilot was circling for 20 minut
74 RFields5421 : I think any speed brakes on top of the wing would go down when power went off/ hydraulic pressure was lost. As far as the one panel up - after going
75 Post contains links Tacoronte : http://www.telemundo47.com/video/16439298/index.html Very detailed video! You can see some guys trying to break the windshield with rocks.[Edited 2008
76 RFields5421 : There cannot be an ILS at this airport. An ILS requires about a five mile straight in approach - and at this airport - that would fly an aircraft int
77 CURLYHEADBOY : That's it, thank you.
78 BOAC911 : What shocks me right now is that many passengers can be seen in the [Noticero T47] video evacuating the aircraft carrying their personal belongings. I
79 LTU932 : I've seen those daredevils at SJO, particular this one time when they took off very shallow, the aircraft almost floated above the runway before flyi
80 Tomascubero : According to wind conditions in the morning, it would indicate RWY20 be in use but at the end of RWY20 there is only dirt, no buildings (which would
81 Post contains links Mortyman : Video here: http://www.vg.no/nyheter/utenriks/artikkel.php?artid=195826 ( Click on the big picture )
82 Post contains links RFields5421 : During the rainy season in the tropics rain falling at the rate of four to eight inches per hour is not unusual. Even the best grooved and crowned ru
83 AirplaneBoy : Where are the flight attendants? Are they okay? I could not see any of them participating in the evacuation process. There was even a passenger trying
84 Ikramerica : Looks more like the Kalitta accident, with a ditch at the end and the 3 part break up, but in this case the tail section remained in tact. Or bad dis
85 Post contains links and images Tomascubero : Judging from the photos above, I am asumming the plane is resting here:
86 BOAC911 : The final decision rests with the pilot.
87 OPNLguy : 5,410 foot landing distance available + 0.0475% downhill slope + wet runway + tailwind + heavy aircraft (full pax plus reported 2,000 gals of fuel onb
88 Allstarflyer : Amen to that. For the sake of his life, but also to get some more answers. In whatever unlikelihood, instruments do fail at times. We each have our m
89 Post contains links LN-KGL : Didn't USAF C-130H 88-4408 overrun at the same spot as EI-TAF on 1 April 1997? Here is the ASN report: http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?
90 Starlionblue : Weather is not to blame. If the pilots decide to land and the weather is not within limits, they are responsible. Exactly. Yes. They were both Airbus
91 Mt99 : Agreed - Unfortunately that was the case today.
92 AR385 : So. Are crews specially trained to land at Toncontin? Does each airline have a select group of crews that can land there? Not to criticize Central Am
93 Post contains images SJOtoLIR : For those who know the zone, the threshold belonging to runway 02 is effectively displaced from the top of the runway and a perpendicular highway is l
94 Ludavid777 : Yes, the pilots that fly into TGU, be it AA, CO, TA, CM, are specifically trained for that route. Meaning if you want to bid to fly that route you ha
95 SJOtoLIR : La Paz and Cali are also getting special approaching procedures due to unusual high terrains placed in the surroundings. Regards.
96 Ludavid777 : Yeah but as far as the built lines, only TGU and UIO are included for those trained pilots... Cali and La Paz are open for anyone...
97 Post contains links and images AAH732UAL : http://www.flightlevel350.com/Aircra..._Airlines_Aviation_Video-8203.html Its a VOR/DME20 or 02 break off for a visual to either end. The 02 stuff als
98 F9Animal : On that amazing video, I thought I saw power lines hanging over near the wings. Talk about some lucky people today! I was wondering the same thing too
99 Post contains links RichM : Tragic event indeed. They're really lucky that there wasn't a fire, I dread to think of the consequences if there had been one! Just from viewing the
100 RFields5421 : While I can see a complex RNP approach being added - there are too many aircraft with too little certified avionics to make that a required approach.
101 SJOtoLIR : LPB is not only an airport surrounded by high mountains. The velocity of contact with the runway is faster than normal conditions due to the extreme
102 RFields5421 : Also - CNN is now reporting four fatal from the crash - the pilot, one female passenger, a taxi driver on the ground and a male passenger who suffered
103 PITrules : Most Latin runways are not grooved. And are pilots to blame for bad weather reporting as well? Central America is notorious for not updating rapidly
104 Live4peanuts : Hello fellow a.netters. This is my first post on this great website. Sad I had to join to post on this topic. My brother was an f/o for TACA for about
105 Mirrodie : Perhaps instead of ironic, you mean to just highlight how it just missed 10000 landings? As for as irony and connspiracists, some might think the 8 l
106 Post contains links Jokestar : Very scary to see the picture of the aircraft in that state, after flying LAX-GUA-SJO-BOG-SJO-SAL-LAX with them in row 1 last year. Very sad to hear o
107 Viaggiare : I was wondering the exact same thing. TACA has officially stated there were four flight attendants on duty for this flight, while five more were dead
108 Post contains links and images Mandala499 : Reversers? I hope we get info from the CVR and FDR soon... stops us guessing.
109 Post contains links AR385 : http://www.elpais.com/articulo/inter...as/elppgl/20080530elpepuint_20/Tes In Spanish only In a nutshell. The article quotes Boris Ferrera, the Sub-Dir
110 SJOtoLIR : That's a very technical statement to be taken for someone who was not involved directly with the accident. I found it contradictory with the previous
111 Spacecadet : I recall after the somewhat similar TAM accident a little while back that various government officials were initially saying similar unfounded things
112 Post contains links NAV20 : A fair few videos here which shows the sort of approach pilots have to fly at Toncontin:- http://video.google.ca/videosearch?q=toncontin&sitesearch=#
113 Viaggiare : Not just contradictory but questionable. Are these people even capable of conducting a serious investigation? Or will it be as chaotic as the rescue
114 NAV20 : About where it landed, different account here (from a 757 pilot on PPrune):- "I just emailed my friend managing our operation at TGU and he said the n
115 Starlionblue : I am sure it was a wild ride but 90 degrees? That would be wings vertical. Fair enough. But that still means the weather is blameless. Viaggiare says
116 QualityDr : CNN Online is now reporting 7 fatalities, according to local officials. No further details on who these additional victims are, and whether they were
117 Trekster : Oh my god!!!!! I dont think I have ever seen a video like that before. Hopefully the F/O will pull through and we can learn what happened. Dan
118 B747forever : CNN says that one of the fatalities is a taxi dríver. His car got crushed.
119 TwinOtter4Ever : This appear unlikely to be the case as the brakes were hot and steaming/smoking slightly in the video from reply 81 (at the 20sec) mark where the fir
120 Post contains links NEMA : Some immediate post crash video footage here showing passengers escaping etc.. Apologies if already posted. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/
121 QualityDr : Yes, apparently he was one of the four early fatalities reported. I don't see any other news reports online (in the past hour) listing seven fataliti
122 Viasa : This plane was in maintenance for about a month at Copesa (in SJO). Before it was operated for Martinair Holland for it's Intra-American routes. All T
123 David L : but lack of traction on a slippery runway would seem to me to be much more likely.
124 TwinOtter4Ever : Agreed...Water on a short runway and bad judgement = Bad news for unlucky passengers and city population. RIP to the victims....and a fast recovery t
125 Post contains links Breiz : The Airbus' press release, just for the record, because there is not much information in it: http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre...tems/2008_05_30_ta
126 Post contains images LN-KGL : A small illustration I made based on measurements done with Google Earth. EI-TAF came to a full stop hitting an embankment almost exactly 100 metres
127 Mirrodie : I did have the flag originally but after the repaint, it disappeared.
128 Bennett123 : This looks like a re run of the AOM DC10. I expect that this plane soon be scrapped as well.
129 Maskeer : I'm not saying it was the case of this accident, but I'm sure there are many ways pilots can be pressured into taking decisions they wouldn't be happ
130 B747forever : There is no more future for this a/c. Another A320 leaving our world
131 Pecevanne : I am not able to see any speedbrakes over the wing, this could be a factor on this accident. In the A-320 SPEEDBRAKES DEPLOY AUTOMATICALLY, if arm bef
132 Post contains images Mt99 : Since this technically an Irish aircraft, would Irish investigators take part? In Central America we love to place blame. Unfortunately, instead of ha
133 Post contains links Ludavid777 : Taca Honduras operates the remaining portion of the flight, if I remember correctly when I've done this flight, there is a crew swap in TGU. So TACA
134 Starlionblue : I would assume so. The blaming part is sad but true. The posturing has of course already begun... Asked and answered. Once hydraulics are lost, the s
135 SJOtoLIR : Five different 320-233s are involved with TA and using the Irish registration: EI-TAB EI-TAC EI-TAD EI-TAF EI-TAG Regards.
136 AAH732UAL : Yeah that is the problem w/ any type of new approach and most airlines may not want to pay to upgrade for the just TGU. Like COA and Miami Air would
137 Pecevanne : quoting my note today crew should announce "SPOILERS DEPLOY" AT LANDING, and they must verify reverse thrust and positive breaking,in case they wanted
138 Carmenlu15 : *shudder* I'm always seeing 'em 'buses on approach over here... never thought I'd see one of them in such a state True, I can already see that happen
139 Logos : I know I'm coming late to the thread here, but I have to confess shock after examining the approach plates and viewing several of the YouTube videos o
140 Aljrooney : Last Year I flew into BLA in Venezuela on an Aserca DC-9 during a thunderstorm.It was like landing on a river. Landing rollout was a bit of a rollerco
141 2travel2know : Soto Cano / Palmerola Comayagua Airport, Tegucigalpa "new intenational airport" already has codes: MHSC and XPL Hope this time the Honduran government
142 Post contains links and images Bingo : My uncle sent me about 30 pictures from the scene. Here's one of the left seater. Hopefully he did make it contrary to what everyone is saying... Also
143 B747forever : Jeez, that pics look terrific
144 FrmrCAPCADET : Just a general question. Would there be some sort of regional turboprop that has better low speed maneuverability and landing speed which would be inh
145 Davescj : Because the crew is still waiting on you! Further, if the plane is on fire, you don't have the seconds to spare. The few seconds could cost you your
146 F9Animal : Wow, it appears that the Captain is gripping onto some type of console. If you look closely, it looks like blood on the console. We can guess at this
147 MAN23R : yes you can see the captains head is faced down, and may be already dead at this point, anyways lets got presume untill we get the full facts. lastly
148 CptRegionalJet : While it is interesting to see some first hand pictures/movies of an accident, maybe we should think about not to post certain kinds of pictures on t
149 AirplaneBoy : F9Animal- that's very possible. I sincerely hope that they are okay. I was just wondering about their condition as all too often, most people forget
150 Pihero : I thought this site is called Airliners.net, not Ghouls-inc.net. I really feel for the uncaring who has the insensitivity to broadcast this picture at
151 David L : I'm going to agree with that. To someone like me who's completely divorced from the situation, such images are poignant records of the way events unf
152 TwinOtter4Ever : Why the Twin Otter of course...Or Quad Otter (Dash 7)...Of course a Dash8 will do along with most other 2 engine turbos (with the exception of the mo
153 SJOtoLIR : I'm not aware about the specific answer, but TACA Regional normally operates TGU-SAP, TGU-GUA as well as TGU-LCE by means of regional planes: ATR and
154 LTU932 : And before anyone asks, they only have Irish registrations because otherwise they couldn't operate into Cuba and be ACMI'd to CU on demand. Since the
155 Vfw614 : Yes, that's really bizarre. However, I am wondering how many of us would resist the temptation to grab personal belongings under such circumstances -
156 Bingo : I didnt sell the picture. I didnt take the picture. I didnt make any obscene comments about the picture. I asked you all the pray for this individual
157 Vfw614 : The other passenger killed was the wife of the Brazilian ambassador to Honduars (who was also on the flight). The picture has been moderated anyway,
158 Ikramerica : I times of panic, people cling strongly to personal belongings and place great importance on objects even if they have no real importance. Locating o
159 Vfw614 : Apparently now five deaths have been confirmed - two-bypassers were killed in addition to two pax and the captain (the male pax died of a heart attack
160 LGA777 : Because of who the two passengers who died where, they where probably seated in First Class, which probably took a larger share of the impact because
161 Post contains links Viaggiare : TGU ATC audio in mp3 format from yesterday between 1530Z and 1600Z... Soon after switching away from the approach control frequency, aircraft crew inf
162 RFields5421 : Yes, the pilots are skilled. But that is what they do every day, what they are trained to do and why reliance on ILS and FMS to fly the whole flight
163 Pecevanne : Big challenge landing with 10 knots tail wind and runway wet.
164 Ludavid777 : Well to some, such as a junior FO or Captain, the incentive may be be able to hold a line and not be on reserve. I know it sounds silly but think abo
165 OPNLguy : Like I mentioned back in #87, lots of operational links in the accident chain on this one. I'm really curious as to what the investigation will bring
166 MSYtristar : A good friend of mine from Honduras used to fly MSY-SAP-TGU frequently on TA before switching over to AA due to his preference of the 757 being used.
167 Logos : Really? Could you name a couple of them because I sure can't. SNA is the only one that comes to mind readily and, as you say, it doesn't have the mou
168 FrmrCAPCADET : RField - thanks for the information. Puts things into context
169 RFields5421 : The mentality it takes to be a successful pilot is "With proper training and equipment, I can take on anything in the world and be successful." I'm n
170 OPNLguy : I jumpseated MIA-TGU back in the early 1980s when I was with Air Florida, and the place is an eye-opener, and one that has little room for error. Our
171 OPNLguy : With all due respect, the above philosophies didn't serve those aboard Air Florida Flight 90 very well, given the tendency of human beings (i.e. the
172 RFields5421 : Now remember my statement was runway length - not the approach and surrounding terrain - TGU has that factor won hands down. But some short runways w
173 Logos : I hear you - still TGU is among the shortest, especially in usable landing area. Throw in the altitude (vs. both SNA and MDW) along with the terrain
174 OPNLguy : Not to get too much further off-topic, but Boeing knew about the 737's pitch-up/roll-off tendency with contaminated leading edges well before the 198
175 QualityDr : Earlier today I referenced CNN online, who stated 7 fatalities. They have amended that report and changed the number of deaths to 5, citing an unspeci
176 OPNLguy : . Check that; the "Airliner" articles were in mid-1981...
177 Post contains links Pihero : Quoting QualityDr (Reply 175): I can't find any indication that the fight and data recorders have been recovered, You can easily reach them from the r
178 Pihero : Viaggiare, On that tape, just after the crew changed over to the tower, they announced "Runway 02 in sight", to which the tower responded with "...39
179 JBirdAV8r : {Checkmark} Absolutely correct. Most pilots know their limitations regardless of the quality of their training. Those that don't sometimes do wind up
180 Arcano : Watching the news of the rescue time, it really shocked me to see the people running out of the broken fuselage...carrying their hand luggage! Aren't
181 Viaggiare : Sure, here's the rest of that particular exchange... TA390: ROGER. AFFIRM REQUEST CIRCULAR ZERO TWO BECAUSE CIRCULAR FOR TWENTY IS NOT POSSIBLE AT PR
182 Luisca : This confirms that you have no idea what it takes to be a pilot, one of the first things I got taught as a student pilot was that if something requir
183 F9Animal : You are absolutely right about the lack of recognition for the FA's. I have voiced this on several threads, and the outright importance of an FA's jo
184 RFields5421 : The Honduran officials have announced they have invited the NTSB to assist with the investingation. The engine and airframe manufacturers have been i
185 Post contains links Viaggiare : Expanding on what the crew might have meant by "circular for twenty is not possible" ... about thirteen minutes earlier (28m46s into the previous tape
186 RFields5421 : Maybe I stated it poorly. Perhaps I should have answered the gentleman's question by saying pilots fly into dangerous airports with fear in their hea
187 Starlionblue : I don't know about inherently safer. A determined pilot can crash any aircraft, no matter how "safe". Indeed.
188 AR385 : Assuming there was no mechanical malfunction. The pilots did not show that in this case. Question. Due to fiel length, is a go around once the plane
189 Francoflier : I wish to differ a little from the majority here and say that indeed TGU has a trickier approach than many airports, and that it involves more risks
190 Vfw614 : Thanks for your thoughts. So my understanding is that there is no real professional incentive to apply/bid for "high-risk" airports other than gettin
191 RFields5421 : It's not a "high risk" destination. It is a challenging approach and landing - but with familiarization training - MHTG is a safe airport for anyone w
192 OPNLguy : Yes, but they're still human beings... I think you'd find the article on the Air Florida crash enlightening... Email me at daopnlguy@yahoo.com and I'
193 Logos : Actually, I think I took your responses as you intended them and not that you were endorsing some sort of swaggering, over the top, devil may care at
194 LTU932 : I watched in the news yesterday that they want to apparently ban large aircraft from TGU and send them to a former US airbase, no idea if they mean SA
195 Kaitak : In normal circumstances, not a problem, because JER doesn't have any obstacles at either end of the runway; approaching TGU in cloudy skies, with a w
196 Klwright69 : You are probably right, but apart from the special training offered pilots for TGU, there is the reputation of the airport itself. The pilots who fly
197 Aacun : AA's flight to Tegus is cancelled....... there is an extra section running today and tommorrow to SAP on 757 to take the pax to Honduras that were ori
198 Mandala499 : And today, we got an A320 blocking the runway at WIMM, hyd fail, gravity extension, and stuck brakes... With all the redundancy, total failures of a
199 David L : Brakes stuck on or stuck off?
200 SJOtoLIR : It rather means Coronel Enrique Soto Cano AB in Comayagua. IATA's code: MHSC. Length of runway: 8008 feet long. I checked Google Earth and it's locat
201 Viscount724 : That is the ICAO code. IATA codes have 3 letters and if it's an air force base with no commercial operations it may not currently have an IATA code.
202 Post contains links SJOtoLIR : I stand corrected. The attached source states that ENQ corresponds to such airport. ICAO: MHSC IATA: ENQ http://www.the-airport-guide.com/airport.php
203 Post contains links NAV20 : A bit more hard information here. Apparently that guy didn't say it was brake failure for certain, only that it was being 'presumed.' However, several
204 TwinOtter4Ever : Perhaps the airspeed was still too fast at touchdown, and with the rain.....hmm...All speculation, will see what transpires with the reports and any
205 Zeke : Rubber deposits and oil skim from jet exhaust and wet weather makes it like ice, you have zero traction. Had this problem at the old BKK for years, i
206 TwinOtter4Ever : Interesting..Thanks for answering that..I know YVR shedules runway shutdowns for this purpose(as with most airport, I hope)..Does anyone know how TGU
207 Viaggiare : Well, at least three other individuals (two of whom were on board the aircraft) have attested to the contrary... 1) Agence France-Presse quoted passe
208 DeC : WARNING: MATURE CONTENT.
209 RFields5421 : Well, you can discount the two passenger statements. Those are almost always 100% wrong, Also if the plane touched down gently and skidded on a slick
210 Post contains links NAV20 : English translation of ATC communications here:- http://avherald.com/h?article=4077cedf/0016 Confirms that Runway 02 was requested because cloud was t
211 Pihero : Let's deal with facts that have a nasty tendency to be hard : Estimated weight at landing OEW ; 42,200 kg 135 Passengers : 13,000 kg FOB 6,050 kg (wit
212 RFields5421 : Okay - but that is a 10 month old article about a different crash.
213 Viaggiare : In spite of the fact that these were made by frequent business travelers who have probably landed there countless times, while ocassionally looking o
214 AR385 : I read somewhere that a passenger became concerned when he could see the airport terminal through his window and the plane was still floating down th
215 FrmrCAPCADET : Actually eye witness information is always useful. Particularly if the person does not conflate what they saw, heard, felt with subsequent conversatio
216 Nomadd22 : Exactly how do you make sure you're flying with a "top level" pilot every time. For an airport to be safe it has to be safe for the least competent p
217 NAV20 : Please read the story I posted above, Viaggiare:- "The NTSB under lead of NTSB Senior investigator Robert Benzon is joining the investigation under t
218 Snaiks : Well actually how do we know this in any flight, we trust the Air Carrier. When we buy plane tickets we dont only check prices and times but also wah
219 Viaggiare : So now the Salvadoran government is in charge? Well, gentlemen, suffice it to say that TACA is one in a handful of so-called untouchable interests in
220 777jaah : Why CLO?? Mountains around the airfield are not THAT close, actually, its in the middle of a valley. JAAH
221 Post contains links Ludavid777 : here is a short video of the plane landing... it seems is going a bit fast... it also seems like it is just starting to touchdown where the terminal i
222 NAV20 : Good 'find,' Ludavid777. But tantalising that it's so short........ Certainly going very fast, and throwing up spray. My impression is that the spray
223 Mt99 : The speed is misleading. The camara is moving in oposite direction of the plane - so it will always look faster than reality
224 RFields5421 : Doing the clip by stop action - the plane appears solidly on the ground when it comes into view - but that is also a little over 3,000 feet past the d
225 NAV20 : Agree the camera panning doesn't help. Doing the 'stop' thing I can confirm that the nosewheel is solidly down and throwing spray too. Anyone know eno
226 TwinOtter4Ever : I'm not so sure that the nose gear is actually on the ground there does seem to be some slight upwards pitch. The mains are definitely down, but he i
227 NAV20 : Agree that you can't tell about spoilers etc., TwinOtter4Ever. However, if you look at the last picture in Post 56 above (taken from astern, starboard
228 5YKQW : 6 dead reported on CNN mostly in the forward section. Passengers were coming out of the plane carrying their bags which doesn't really help the evacua
229 TwinOtter4Ever : Thanks for reminding me of the raised spoiler in the post crash photos. I could totally see the spoilers dropping with a lack of hydraulic pressure.
230 DeC : Titled: TACA 390 RUNWAY FOOTAGE [EXCLUSIVE] / VIDEO PISTA TACA
231 TwinOtter4Ever : Interesting repost of the previous ramp camera video with the jog back and forth. Too bad the quality is worse. Must have been meant for TV news.
232 Pecevanne : Spoilers remain deploy even with a lack of hydarulic.
233 Viaggiare : Of the nine flight attendants on board the aircraft, four were on duty. Two of them were reportedly still hospitalized (along with the co-pilot) as o
234 Ludavid777 : Not to get technical about the whole thing. I've never worked for TACA or have any ties to them. I'm not defending their flight attendants either, bu
235 TwinOtter4Ever : Perhaps they were going to do an RTO. or perhaps they were failures in spoiler activation systems or perhaps the possibility of settings being incorr
236 Viaggiare : The written word lives on exactitude and dies of vagueness. You could have perhaps spared me that unsolicited treatise on aircraft evacuation, provid
237 Post contains links Nomadd22 : http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...before-fatal-honduras-overrun.html Their guess is 100kts with 1,000 meters of runway left. They haven't decided
238 HAWK21M : What does the official preliminary report say. regds MEL
239 David L : A go-around, or rejected landing, perhaps? Rejecting a take-off while landing is, pretty much, landing.
240 Post contains links NAV20 : The more I run that video, the more I'm struck by its eerie resemblance to the Congonhas one........ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6lO-eig_i0
241 TwinOtter4Ever : Whoops...Right you are...I really need to get more sleep... Thats the the one I was thinking of..though I couldn't remember the airport name at the t
242 Mandala499 : The video shows the aircraft was already on the ground when it came to view, nose still up and derotating. But, this does not mean the aircraft touche
243 Pihero : Very difficult to see either way, Mandala499. I personally see the reverser open ( there is a definite black line across the engine cowling but I do
244 David L : I'd have thought a lot of overruns would have the same basic symptoms, i.e. being too fast at a given point on a wet runway and serious damage where
245 Post contains links AustrianSimon : If that assumption is correct, that the airplane was doing 100 knots 1000 meters off the runway end, it would suggest a normal landing at a rather hi
246 RFields5421 : Unlike the Brazil crash - this aircraft went off the end of the runway relatively slowly - non highway car crash speeds. That's been obvious from the
247 Pihero : There are not that many assumptions : Touch-down speed Touch-down position relative to the remaining length Continuous deceleration Nothing more. Wit
248 Post contains links AustrianSimon : Pihero, we have reservations about the 100 knots 650 meters down the runway, that Flight Global have computed from the video of the surveillance came
249 David L : Assuming good traction all the way?
250 Nomadd22 : What's the difficulty with getting the speed from the video? You should be able to figure the frame rate from the clock, check it against camera specs
251 Post contains links AustrianSimon : Read my article Assuming a deceleration rate of 1.5 meters/second/second (3 knots/second), which would be easily achievable even on a wet non grooved
252 Post contains links AustrianSimon : Pure Pythagoras and photogrammetry. Let's make this clear in an assumed scenario: the camera looks in a right angle to the runway, is fixed and the l
253 David L : I'm not sure that's necessary. If the runway was wetter than you are assuming, there could have been hydroplaning, in which case minimum autobraking
254 AustrianSimon : David, Yes, I do make some assumptions and make clear, that I do make assumptions. I did not state, that the airplane was seen 4 seconds and travelli
255 David L : All I'm taking issue with is this... Perhaps "could have been expected to show" or "would have shown... had there been good braking action" would have
256 Mandala499 : OK, I explored what both Pihero and Simon gave... From the QRH, A320 (CFM though) I made some basic calculations TORA = 6109ft / 1862m LDA = 5410ft /
257 AustrianSimon : David, Alright, fair comment. Servus, Simon
258 AustrianSimon : Mandala, you may actually assume not even wet, but "damp" as runway condition. That word got cleared today as well in the Spanish transcript and my t
259 Pihero : Conditions not described, Simon, but REPORTED on all the 1400, 1500 and 1600 Z (the latest with info on the aircraft mishap : METAR is the internatio
260 Mandala499 : Wet should be fine given the conditions in the video. If we go to 1/4 inches if standing water, then it's a totally different ball game. Now we're gue
261 NAV20 : The feeling's growing on me that there is now a distinct LACK of data. Given that the authorities have had the recorders for more than a week, that t
262 AustrianSimon : Pihero, that's true, it was reported on the METARs (we have quoted them, too). However, METARs are (one time) observations at that given timestamp an
263 David L : "Pedantic" is my middle name. Unless traction was intermittent. Again, I'm not assuming there was hydroplaning, just living up to my middle name... a
264 Pihero : A very healthy attitude, I might add I would say *lower* as the final trajectory is some 5° instead of the usual 3° ( there is not a lot of sky lef
265 David L : Don't count on me contributing much more, though. I'm afraid "there may have been good braking action or there may not" is all I've got!
266 Mandala499 : Pedantic? It's useful at times ! *evil grin* I have yet to have another look at the ATC conversations. I might go and listen to the files and assess
267 Post contains links AustrianSimon : Hiya, Pihero, I am not trying to deviate the discussion, but keep it based on established facts - otherwise we would waste a lot of time and brain po
268 David L : Yes, I noticed that, too. Objectivity out the window. Sigh... that was almost routine on the old Bellerophonmobile. OK, but the fact that things woul
269 CM767 : I have follow this discussion minutes after the accident, Yet another overrun and I would have raise the same question again. Is not time for people o
270 Pihero : You're not going to chicken out on us, are you ? It's late and I'll see you guys to-morrow.
271 Post contains links Viaggiare : It was originally a letter sent by former TACA pilot Reynier Veliz to the most widely read newspaper in Guatemala. Its authenticity isn't being quest
272 NAV20 : Not sure about that, CM767? As far as I know there has been speculation that one of the thrust levers was not placed in the 'idle' or 'reverse' posit
273 David L : If you call preliminary reports by the investigators and by Airbus "speculation", yes. It seemed like pretty reliable evidence to me.
274 Post contains images Mandala499 : Let's have another look at: Given the timestamps on the recordings, I have the following conclusions: 1. Aircraft initially intended to approach 20. A
275 NAV20 : Googled before I posted, DavidL. Much to my surprise (no kidding ) I couldn't find anything official at all. As I said, if there IS something, like s
276 Post contains links David L : http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...etard-right-hand-thrust-lever.html http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...ral_aviation/read.main/3541008/#55 N
277 NAV20 : David L:- "For reasons yet to be explained, the pilot, in the final moments before touchdown, retarded only the thrust lever for the left-hand engine
278 SJOtoLIR : Update: TGU has banned the operation of mainline aircrafts with capacity larger to 42 passengers, which means that the ATR-42 is the biggest airplane
279 David L :
280 Pihero : Mandala499, It is quite apparent that the first reported approach was on the VOR 02, with a possible circling for a right-hand circuit for RWY 20. On
281 Mandala499 : Nav, experience doesn't mean you're infallible... you can make the simplest of mistakes even if you got 20,000hrs. If you dig into the archives, you'
282 Ludavid777 : That was the initial request from the President right after the accident happened. The airport has remained closed to any aircraft that holds more th
283 Post contains links SJOtoLIR : With due respect, this argument faces some high technical issues: 1. The space shortage is a strong variable that would act against an easy, cheap an
284 Post contains links Viaggiare : Honduran daily Proceso quoted Capt. Jorge Torres (said to be an experienced commercial and military pilot in Honduras with over 40,000 flight hours)
285 BuyantUkhaa : Works fine in FNC, but would 100m mean all that much?
286 Pihero : There is some excess of journalistic enthousiasm, here.40,ooo hours is an unachievable feat nowadays, especially if one has flown military where flyi
287 NAV20 : Fair enough, DavidL, I'll settle for that. I was honestly surprised to find that, nearly a year after Congonhas, the investigators have not yet even
288 SJOtoLIR : The extension of the track does not seem to solve definitively such problem at TGU: Current length of runway: 6132 ft that equates to 1869 meters. Pr
289 OPNLguy : ..just as that article on Air Florida I mentioned earlier points out. The human traits of reality-evasion and self-deception do funny things to the w
290 AM744 : Not the best idea IMO. Weather won't change. Lots of failed regional airports in Mexico have demonstrated this again and again, being built in less t
291 Post contains images Viaggiare : And now a second letter has surfaced on various aviation-related blogs and message boards across Central America (this one presumably written by forme
292 Post contains links and images Mirrodie : Here she is in better days, with a fresh coat of paint, less than a week prior to the horrible accicent. View Large View MediumPhoto © Mario J Cr
293 MIAMIx707 : What airline is the ATR @ 2:14 on this TGU video? I watched this 320 a few months ago when operating SJO-MCO in Martinair colors, surprised it was alr
294 Viaggiare : And in a somewhat amusing twist of events, the Honduran human rights commissioner is suggesting that the (highly unpopular) TGU closure should be lim
295 Mt99 : That has got to be be one of the dumbest thing i have ever heard... I guess Air France should be banned from Toronto and Southwest from Midway.. Our
296 MIAMIx707 : with that same logic they would've had to ban their own airline TAN at least twice The 3rd world mentality never goes away, why? I have no idea
297 Mt99 : I was trying to explain why we have such a hard time to get rid of our Third World Mentality. I still stand by what i said. All i am saying is that w
298 Yellowtail : There is something to be said also for the "must get to the destination at all cost" idea. Had this flght diverted to SAP for example....TA would have
299 AM744 : I do. Corruption leads to huge monetary gains by those who engage on it. The cost might well be citizens lives, which are not highly regarded by most
300 MIAMIx707 : Then don't. And I support your decision not to believe it. But don't tell me it's a "tia Maria told me so rumor through the grapevine" kind of thing
301 Post contains images Mt99 : I can tell you then, that my neighbor heard that Airbus encouraged TACA to use the A320 into TGU because it proved the superior capabilities of the a
302 Post contains links Srbmod : With this thread at over 300 posts, please continue the discussion here: TACA Landing Accident In Honduras Part 2
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